bravo2zero
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Post by bravo2zero on Feb 21, 2013 5:03:47 GMT -5
No price, No release date, and too few details revealed, apart from that nice expensive looking controller. I realise that Sony will want to keep Microsoft guessing a bit though.
I've been considering an Xbox or new PC for some time now and it may be the time to switch.
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Post by tiesieman on Feb 21, 2013 10:13:32 GMT -5
I'm with Sony at the moment. 8GB DDR5? that's insane
MS has been losing steam with their exclusives anyway, and the rumours of them trying to take the Xbox brand outside of "gaming consoles" and more into "living-room station" with always online stuff as the icing does not sound appealing. Specs have been nothing insane either.
Wonder how MS reacts though
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Post by SheWolf on Feb 21, 2013 10:22:20 GMT -5
whats the deal with the 8gb? that's fairly..middle class, no?
and the whole thing has to hold up for the better part of a decade..
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Feb 21, 2013 10:28:55 GMT -5
Needz more future proofing.
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Post by tiesieman on Feb 21, 2013 11:59:28 GMT -5
8 gb of ddr3 is middle class
8 gb of ddr5 is pretty damn high, since we were expecting 4 gb ddr5
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Post by SheWolf on Feb 21, 2013 15:36:57 GMT -5
well mousey, not for a year, naybe for two. then it's gonna be the same thing.
i'm more worried about the gpu than the rest anyway..the thing microsoft builds in was only low tier last year already, and there is no reason to believe that sony will get anything much better. they have to sell the thing for about 500 bucks or so after all.
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Post by tiesieman on Feb 21, 2013 16:29:09 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with not owning physical games anymore thanks to Steam. But bearing in mind the lovely, fair and representative prices on XBL asks for some games released 6 years ago... Yeah no
Unless they're gonna make some kind of disc reading system like that Sony patent but it seems like that would be pretty costly
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 17:43:05 GMT -5
PS4 in a nutshell:
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Post by prioc on Feb 21, 2013 18:14:37 GMT -5
it looks like it will be pretty cool, maybe I will get one sometime later. I think I should get a powerful PC before, but maybe I will get this instead
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Post by 42 on Feb 21, 2013 18:24:32 GMT -5
Day one purchase
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Post by Usagi on Feb 21, 2013 18:33:56 GMT -5
I just got a PS3 a few months ago so I might buy the PS4 in 5 or 6 years.
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Post by kirbyderby on Feb 22, 2013 10:58:48 GMT -5
599 US dollars.
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Post by Morshu on Feb 22, 2013 14:58:15 GMT -5
Very pumped for PS4. I'm glad they are putting their focus on high quailty gaming tech instead of other stuff like 3D, move and all the other crap.
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Post by jaedrik on Feb 22, 2013 17:48:34 GMT -5
It exists.
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Post by KingVaroon on Feb 23, 2013 0:12:51 GMT -5
I played on the PS2 for about 6 years. Then I played the PS3 for about the same. The next logical step is the PS4.
I never understood how so many people made the jump from the PS2 to the 360.
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Post by KingVaroon on Feb 23, 2013 1:53:09 GMT -5
I understand where microsoft got the advantage(lazy developers). I just don't understand why gamers actually made the jump. Using myself as an example, majority of the games I played were playstation exclusives. What games on the 360 other than Halo and Gears(which iirc, is no longer an exclusive) were worth making the jump?
Lets not forget how much microsoft nickle and dimes you either. That combined with the inferior hardware alone was enough to repel me.
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Post by tiesieman on Feb 23, 2013 7:20:44 GMT -5
Let's not forget how PS3 had a very terrible start, with the price and all. And by that time the Xbox had been out for a while too
It took them too long to get over that initial blow MS dealt. Probably the reason why they wanted to have the head start this gen (it certainly got some goodwill from people, including mine)
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Post by Broadband on Feb 23, 2013 17:16:10 GMT -5
I understand where microsoft got the advantage(lazy developers). I just don't understand why gamers actually made the jump. Using myself as an example, majority of the games I played were playstation exclusives. What games on the 360 other than Halo and Gears(which iirc, is no longer an exclusive) were worth making the jump? Lets not forget how much microsoft nickle and dimes you either. That combined with the inferior hardware alone was enough to repel me. Only the first Gears is not exclusive. The rest still are exclusive. I myself didn't make the jump per se. I got a 360 before I got a PS3 (obviously, since it came out first), but I fully intended on getting a Playstation some time down the road. I ended up not getting one till 2008 with the MGS4 bundle (which in my opinion was worth buying a console alone for, such an incredible game). I still think it's shocking how so many people enjoy getting shafted by MS. Seriously, you pay full price for your game, yet any and all online multiplayer components are firewalled off to you unless you pay for the overpriced XBL Gold subscription. That's just not right, even if XBL does have more features than PSN. At least with the PS3, EVERYTHING is working out of the box. No need to pay the price of a full game to hop online. The press conference looked promising, although the controller looks meh. With Sony focusing more on gaming than all the other peripheral crap that's all the rage these days, MS has no choice but to follow suit if they want to stay competitive. If MS decides to make the next Xbox more a "living room companion," they will have no chance. The PS4 will outsell the next Xbox like the PS2 outsold the first Xbox.
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Post by danoski666 on Feb 23, 2013 17:23:28 GMT -5
Actually, the PS2 vs Xbox was kind of the same deal as Xbox360 vs PS3. The first Xbox allowed you to save the games your hard drive and play them at any time, quite unlike many consoles.
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Post by tiesieman on Feb 23, 2013 17:56:29 GMT -5
I wonder though. Is it in these times still profitable to make a machine that only caters to the "hardcore"?
Hardware doesnt make you money, development costs keep rising. Console business has never been very profitable; the reason why MS really got into the console market anyway was to stop Sony from getting an upper hand in the living room. It makes buck now, but not hardly as much as MS' core business
Sony on the other hand is doing shit with consoles being one of the healthiest divisions of the company. So in a way the pretty decent specs they brought up are quite a bold move
for that reason alone im leaning for PS4 already even without knowing durangos/whatevers specs (if I buy a console at all)
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Post by SheWolf on Feb 23, 2013 18:17:22 GMT -5
well i read somewhere that they are going for 600 on release..also, the only real nod to the future is GDDR5...
i know these numbers are to be taken with a grain of salt with consoles. but the reported 1.84 teraflops for graphics for example. normal non-insane gaming pc's in 2009 were between 3 and 5. the ATI 5970, discontinued card by ATI in 2009, has 5 TFs for reference.
of course optimization is going to make the best of the hardware, and it's miles ahead of the ps3. but the future super actual on-par with pc hardware it is hyped up to be it is not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 18:52:37 GMT -5
Wan't there an article back in 2012 that had an interview with Crytek Studios and they said "We are not sure where to head with this next gen console and next gen consoles are already behind today's PC's"(Not exact quotes. Pulling this from memory)? Fuck, my brain derped when I posted this 1 min ago. Quick google shows this article as the first result
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Post by SheWolf on Feb 23, 2013 20:07:11 GMT -5
actually, consoles have, if at all, only a tiny head start over pc's at their cost (often not even that. one of the reasons i got neither ps3 nor xbox360 on release). see the teraflop example above, on the previous page. at the latest after a few months to a year, you can usually assemble a much more powerful pc for the same or less money. the gpu that microsoft is most likely going to put into the 720 was middle class 2011..the one that sony will use is most likely about in the same range.
hardware isn't what people buy consoles for. convenience is.
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Post by SheWolf on Feb 23, 2013 20:22:45 GMT -5
the technical aspect asside, these complains are not so much about graphics. i personally even like a bit that the hardware-requirement-spiral isn't turning quiet as fast anymore, haha.
the issue is more the growing casualisation and simplification of games, due to technical- and input limitations of consoles.
just looking at what we know so far, this upcoming gen of consoles actually seems weaker compared to pc's then the ps3/360 back then..
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Post by SheWolf on Feb 23, 2013 20:51:45 GMT -5
hope you are right. given our experience with the industry, i'm not especially optimistic though.
*predicts pay-to-reload shooters within five years*
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Post by KingVaroon on Feb 24, 2013 4:00:12 GMT -5
I ended up not getting one till 2008 with the MGS4 bundle (which in my opinion was worth buying a console alone for, such an incredible game). I was extremely disappointed It wasn't half the game MGS1, 2 or 3 was. I had far more fun playing portable ops than I did playing MGS4. It almost felt like Kojima just wanted to end solid snake's story already so he said "fuck let me just tie up all the ends and put it out".
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Post by danoski666 on Feb 24, 2013 10:28:44 GMT -5
Its always best to do that durint fond memories rather than being forced to upon a flop. I heard a lot of complaints about it being way too cinematic and thus detracting from the gameplay. Which doesn't surprise me. I started playing at my cousins house and in the spirit of not skipping cutscenes I ended up waiting a good half an hour before before I saw an enemy. THAT´S THE POINT DUMMY.
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Post by danoski666 on Feb 24, 2013 12:58:07 GMT -5
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Post by asasa on Feb 24, 2013 13:07:50 GMT -5
well i read somewhere that they are going for 600 on release..also, the only real nod to the future is GDDR5... i know these numbers are to be taken with a grain of salt with consoles. but the reported 1.84 teraflops for graphics for example. normal non-insane gaming pc's in 2009 were between 3 and 5. the ATI 5970, discontinued card by ATI in 2009, has 5 TFs for reference. of course optimization is going to make the best of the hardware, and it's miles ahead of the ps3. but the future super actual on-par with pc hardware it is hyped up to be it is not. I dont know what you're talking about but a 7970 has 3.7TF vs a 5970 having 5TF. Clearly TF is not meant to be used the way youre using it. At nearly 2TF, its like a 7970m, slightly gimped. Which is a crapton faster than a 5970. Hell, the 5970 is a dual GPU card.. so its really only 2.5TF per chip.
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Post by KingVaroon on Feb 24, 2013 16:18:46 GMT -5
Its always best to do that durint fond memories rather than being forced to upon a flop. I heard a lot of complaints about it being way too cinematic and thus detracting from the gameplay. Which doesn't surprise me. I started playing at my cousins house and in the spirit of not skipping cutscenes I ended up waiting a good half an hour before before I saw an enemy. THAT´S THE POINT DUMMY. Yeah. That's what made metal gear awesome. Kick ass storyline combined with a bad ass gameplay. MGS 3 made me feel like I was love child between James Bond and Rambo. So did portable ops and MGS 5. MGS 4 just failed
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