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Post by snakex on Dec 28, 2009 8:37:54 GMT -5
but 135? makes no sense for me. knife haven´t any drop for dmg and with 100 it killed instantly too. whatever, mw2 is crap  this gosh darn golly gee whiz anti lag, makes me angry lol filter 135 damage is a relic from MW1 which used this value to ensure it would kill Juggernauts too. Reverse-calculated, Juggernauts had 133+1/3 health, so they took 135 as a value for "killing damage no matter what". They simply used this for MW2 as well, even though it's not necessary. ah ok thx why have the FAL a multiplier of 1.1 on the neck? only usefull, when u haven´t stopping power and the enemy have painkiller and u shoot with full dmg(55). otherwise it´s not needed |
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Post by toysrme on Dec 28, 2009 12:07:56 GMT -5
because doing 82/83 damage and stealing kills is hellaciously fun. because maybe 1 kill in 200 you might pop someone in 1 shot that stubbed their toe. never ask why you have 10% more damage. just appreciate it when the time comes. |
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Post by snakex on Dec 28, 2009 15:32:33 GMT -5
when anyone need more range dmg stats post it example grenade launcher explosion range or whatever. that´s the only stats i can find out. also dmg and range |
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Post by acidsnow on Dec 29, 2009 11:19:39 GMT -5
I'm glad you added the range for the knifes, and I didn't know the riot shield benefited from commando! I guess all this chart needs is some explosive damage info, but I'm happy w/out it.
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Post by sbkjooce on Dec 30, 2009 13:07:55 GMT -5
So I appreciate the graph and all, but what is the distance per box? How do i know where each gun's range begins to dissipate?
It would be sweet to see screenies of all the guns at their furthest and highest hitting range.
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Post by toysrme on Dec 30, 2009 14:08:11 GMT -5
love the chart snake. wish den would include it on the main MW2 page |
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Post by dashpanther on Dec 30, 2009 18:11:07 GMT -5
Beautiful chart. Great work.
There are some little things that take away from it. These are just suggestions to make the chart better and more professional looking.
On the rightmost column, the words should be oriented the other way. Right now, you have to tilt your head to the left, which is weird. Usually, you tilt your head to the right (like when reading the spine of a book on a shelf).
There's no horizontal banner that says Assault Rifles above the FAL (all the other classes of weapons have a horizontal banner).
Typos -
M16 should be M16A4 (left column).
Misspelling. Should be "Submachine Guns" (left and right columns). Submachine is one word. Use caps.
Should be "Machine Pistols" (right column).
Should be "Mini-Uzi" (left column). Should be a hyphen there.
Should be "Handguns" (left column). It's one word, not two.
Should be USP .45 (left column).
Should be Desert Eagle (left column).
Should be Light Machine Guns (left column should be plural, right column is misspelled).
Should be L86 LSW (left column).
Should be "Sniper Rifles" (make plural, use both words).
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Post by snakex on Dec 31, 2009 14:24:33 GMT -5
thx for find them and sub machine is a typo of mw2 |
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Post by snakex on Dec 31, 2009 15:25:07 GMT -5
update it i can add SP to the Chart. or made a new one with and without SP but only with shots to kill instead of dmg. make 100health only because when u use SP the range, before the shots too kills drop, is a little bit longer. An example on the M4A1 Beta chart:  look on 100health from 3-4 and 4-5 |
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Post by snakex on Dec 31, 2009 20:41:56 GMT -5
FAL deliver a 55-40dmg with holographic sight!
it´s the only weapon that have an increased in dmg with attachments
but only with holographic, with bling it´s works too. but not with silencer
with holographic and SP it´s a 2shot kill on every range!
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Post by Protolisk on Dec 31, 2009 23:04:57 GMT -5
That's great. A good reason to use the FAL then.. ..but then again AUG HBAR is 2 shot kill at any range as well w/e SP of course.
Found any other discrepancies?
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Post by snakex on Dec 31, 2009 23:13:02 GMT -5
so many attachments needs time in moment i test red dot and holographic sight on dmg range |
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Post by crescendo on Dec 31, 2009 23:59:00 GMT -5
snakex, thank you very much for testing the weapons. Your chart really helps when you're trying to make intelligent decisions about which guns to use.
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Post by snakex on Jan 1, 2010 1:11:46 GMT -5
add aim assists, but only ADS
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Post by adree on Jan 1, 2010 1:38:33 GMT -5
FAL deliver a 55-40dmg with holographic sight!it´s the only weapon that have an increased in dmg with attachments but only with holographic, with bling it´s works too. but not with silencer with holographic and SP it´s a 2shot kill on every range! Just tried this out in split-screen, jesus you're right! Great job! |
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Post by snakex on Jan 1, 2010 2:55:08 GMT -5
np
i add the aim assist chart. it´s directly under the dmg&range stats
it´s with ADS and Hip Fire
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Post by snakex on Jan 1, 2010 5:28:24 GMT -5
Update i add some metres stats
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Post by acidsnow on Jan 1, 2010 12:32:10 GMT -5
FAL deliver a 55-40dmg with holographic sight!it´s the only weapon that have an increased in dmg with attachments but only with holographic, with bling it´s works too. but not with silencer with holographic and SP it´s a 2shot kill on every range! Good find Snake, I always hated trying to use its iron sights. But SP is still over kill  |
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Post by qupie on Jan 1, 2010 12:55:48 GMT -5
well, then it is one headshot kills from close and 2 shot kills on range  makes me a verry happy panda! |
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Post by Orske on Jan 1, 2010 14:23:20 GMT -5
Are there any items in the game that give you an idea how far 25 meters are in the game? like the boxes that were in shipment for the cod4 info. also can someone explain the aim assist chart? i don't really understand it. How do you aim assist from the hip? or is it sorta like the blue line (hip aim assist) is as far as you get aim assist from? or? thanks |
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Post by snakex on Jan 1, 2010 14:35:30 GMT -5
the aim assists, is like his name. it´s assists u, when u aiming on the enemy. the aim will slow down
xbox360 have Aim Assists, don´t know pc have one
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Post by Den on Jan 1, 2010 14:45:18 GMT -5
The best example exists in Derail. The warehouse contains two types of wooden crates. The large crates measure at 64x64 while the narrow crates are 32x64 in length and width. Using the crates as a guide to get the measurement of the train tracks on Derail...  Three ties/sleepers and three spaces between them are approximately 64 units of measurement. |
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Post by Orske on Jan 1, 2010 15:25:35 GMT -5
thanks guys,
ok so 256 units still equals 6.5 meters?
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Post by toysrme on Jan 1, 2010 19:15:44 GMT -5
FAiL = FAiL so bad....
FAiL + holo + 3 round burst fire = win (provided you're not up close)
great find!
PC has aim-assist, its simply not enabled when you play with a mouse.
the aim assist is 2 part. 1 it helps track the target inside the approx steady aim radious of the target. 2 in the last few frames before firing it moves your sight onto the target faster than you're able to see.
without aim assist on a gamepad, a real 20%+ accuracy player (not upping via sniping/etc) would do well to shoot 10%. it can be 100% disabled on console by hacking your gamesave file & setting it from true to false. in cod4 when i would disable it and test out my mouse i would go from 20% to 15%. very hard to play without it on console, or using a gamepad. a joystick can give you accuracy or movement rate, not both.
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Post by snakex on Jan 1, 2010 20:56:58 GMT -5
thx for the info den!
close range is 6m. i test it with the challenge of dead silence and scrambler
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Post by Den on Jan 2, 2010 2:45:08 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I forgot.
The "Longshot!" bonus.
Given when a shot is made from more than 1536 units of measurement.
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Post by snakex on Jan 2, 2010 2:54:57 GMT -5
hm weird.
i get 1472 units
found out my method to find weapon range is very accurate.
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Post by brandon7s on Jan 2, 2010 4:50:57 GMT -5
According to the chart, the holo sight gives the FAL 40 dmg minimum, any range, right? So has anyone tried Bling holo+silencer with the FAL? I'm curious if it uses the silencer dmg numbers or the holo dmg numbers. That could be a very slight buff for an otherwise completely outclasses weapon. What the heck was IW thinking when they decided to give the FAL the lowest range of any of the AR. It's the gun I really want to love, but with it's rather poor iron-sights, low range, and low ammo-per-clip, it's difficult to justify using it. Feels good when you can pull off a few kills in a row with it though.  |
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Post by adree on Jan 2, 2010 6:07:58 GMT -5
According to the chart, the holo sight gives the FAL 40 dmg minimum, any range, right? So has anyone tried Bling holo+silencer with the FAL? I'm curious if it uses the silencer dmg numbers or the holo dmg numbers. That could be a very slight buff for an otherwise completely outclasses weapon. What the heck was IW thinking when they decided to give the FAL the lowest range of any of the AR. It's the gun I really want to love, but with it's rather poor iron-sights, low range, and low ammo-per-clip, it's difficult to justify using it. Feels good when you can pull off a few kills in a row with it though. I think using the holo sights it's nearly brought in line with most of the AR's. The main problem is the advantage you get by being able to 2 shot from any distance is ruined because of the fat holo sight; and it's definitely not a gun you want to hipfire with even with steady aim. |
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Post by toysrme on Jan 2, 2010 9:52:26 GMT -5
you must have a shitty tv/monitor or old eye rx then 'cause the holo is a translucent circle with a tea tiny aiming pea inside it
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