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Post by iw5000 on Apr 25, 2013 10:31:09 GMT -5
Something else for people to read up on below. www.infowars.com/tamerlan-tsarnaev-attended-cia-sponsored-workshop/Recap? If the article has any bit of legitimacy, then it explains why the Russian FSB (and other Russian agencies) were all over Tameran like flies on sh1t. They were screaming loudly to the CIA for help, ...and why the CIA ignored them. So what's in the link? It's documented that Tamerlan spent six months in Dagestan, a region neighboring Chechnya. He did this in 2012. While he was there, the above articles are claiming that the "Counterintelligence Department Ministry of Internal Affairs of Georgia" (Russian agency) has it on the record (ie,spying) that Tameran attended a number workshops run by a NGO (non-govt organization) “Fund of Caucasus” That's interesting. Why travel to Russia for a workshop? What were these workshops? Who/what is the "Fund of the Caucasus"? The “Fund of Caucasus” is a NGO set up to..." to recruit young people and intellectuals of the North Caucasus to enhance instability and extremism in the southern regions of Russia.”/ Nice huh? And who helps fund it? It's co-sponsored by a US group called the "Jamestown Group", which was created in 2008. The Jamestown Group is basically a CIA front group. The Russians don't like it, because they are over there stirring up anti-Russian propaganda stuff amongst the Muslim populace, towards the Russians. Ex CIA director William Casey and Russian dissident Arkady Shevchenko were instrumental in creating the organization. Jamestown’s board of directors reportedly includes Zbigniew Brzezinski, former National Security Advisor to Jimmy Carter. Brzezinski, a high-level globalist operative, initiated the CIA’s recruitment of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan years ago, that ultimately produced al-Qaeda and the Taliban. So this small town nobody Boston boy, Tameran Tsarnaev, after becoming radicalized by some unknown people in 2009 to 2011....suddenly feels a need to fly halfway across the globe to go back home, AND attend workshops, which are co-run/sponsored by a CIA front group. If this is all true, how convenient. What a coincidence!!! And if this is true, he's doing this without the CIA even knowing what's going on. Amazing. A guy who they gave a clean bill of health too, whose on their watch lists, who the FBI investigated, turns up at CIA sponsored workshops and we are supposed to believe the US intelligence community didn't know who this guy was in the day after the bombings. And I'm wearing a tin foil hat?
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Post by iw5000 on Apr 25, 2013 10:50:03 GMT -5
Police and other forces work strictly in line with procedures, especially army fights looking at manuals. Last time our police “thought” I saw an innocent guy (~18Y) killed in his car, as police “thought” he was the suspect, probably armed, they acted quickly during the night and to them: everything seemed to “fit”. Double, triple checking is required and I prefer police working with care and patiently, especially before opening fire. I am no expert on how these procedures work. But here's a local news station's take on it, interviewing the local people, and what they had to go through. Speaking for myself, i'm not really into govt officials and agents pointing guns at myself or my family, while forcing me from my home. I don't think the mainstream media is going to be showing this stuff below...........
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Post by bucket415 on Apr 25, 2013 14:09:35 GMT -5
Does anyone else just scroll right over IW's posts? Jesus Fuck.
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Post by Dumien on Apr 25, 2013 14:16:42 GMT -5
mmm why isn't this in "what?"
I mean... I totes love a good conspiracy theory, but put it in the off topic forum.
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Post by 42 on Apr 25, 2013 14:20:27 GMT -5
mmm why isn't this in "what?" I mean... I totes love a good conspiracy theory, but put it in the off topic forum. That's what two people (Mousey and Erik) have already said and Mousey was one of the first responders. It would take a mod (aka Den) to undo the "damage." Does anyone else just scroll right over IW's posts? Jesus Foxtrot. I have a script for you...
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Post by Dumien on Apr 25, 2013 14:21:30 GMT -5
Sorry. I missed those two posts over the WoT
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Post by iw5000 on Apr 25, 2013 14:31:31 GMT -5
mmm why isn't this in "what?" I mean... I totes love a good conspiracy theory, but put it in the off topic forum. There's not one conspiracy located in this thread, so let's please leave the 'tin foil, that guy is crazy' insults/personal attacks for another day, ok? Everything in this post is just straight up news coming from places like the LA and NY times. And I clearly indicated in the first post, I didn't know where to put this. It doesn't have much to do with actual 'videogaming', but the topic, all the intelligence stuff, agencies, things they used in the man-hunt (thermal imaging, robot AGR's, etc..) are all straight out of BlackOps 2. So there was a bit of a loose connection here, with BO2. As far as the 'What' section of Den's board, it isn't clear as to what it's purpose is. There's nothing marked below it on the front page. And a quick glance of the content on it, when i looked, indicated it was also about gaming and tech things.
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Post by Dumien on Apr 25, 2013 14:36:36 GMT -5
There's not one conspiracy located in this thread Yes. Yes there is.. www.thefreedictionary.com/conspiracy"An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act." You only took the word with a negative derogatory connotation.
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Post by iw5000 on Apr 25, 2013 14:43:52 GMT -5
There's not one conspiracy located in this thread Yes. Yes there is.. www.thefreedictionary.com/conspiracy"An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act." You only took the word with a negative derogatory connotation. Right. And thank you for googling the definition, but again, to the best of my knowledge, I never stated our govt did any illegal act. I stated a few posts up, that I find the 'official' Govt explanation a bit absurd, and if i am advancing any of my own theories, it's simply that this whole process is the Govt trying to save some face and/or the whole process being a sting operation going off the rails (which also would most likely be embarrassing if let out) Nothing there is 'illegal', 'wrongful' or even 'subversive' in describing what I said. Sting operations are legal. So is messing up and being embarrassed, that's not against the law. So like I said, i'm not raising any conspiracy talk points. Not me. IIf you want to point fingers, I would suggest some of the other people jumping into thread, not reading what I wrote, and just trying to write it all off as tin foil conspiracy nonsense.
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Post by Wonder Showzen on Apr 26, 2013 2:06:58 GMT -5
Wtf is this thread doing in the CoD area of this forum?
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Post by lazy on Apr 27, 2013 17:30:50 GMT -5
i don't want to insult anyone here but i thought we were all quite intelligent here. .there's alot of people acting like government agencies don't kill people and blame someone else or help start wars and how many politicians actually tell the truth and while we're at it can you believe all we read in the newspapers. anyway rant over but all i know is dont believe anyone except marvel and pro baddie.
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Post by Slick on Apr 27, 2013 17:44:33 GMT -5
Oh, look at all the beautiful rainbows and flowers. Slickyism all powerful.
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Post by 42 on Apr 27, 2013 19:04:15 GMT -5
except marvel and pro baddie. Yes, we should trust everything to a German and the Canadian who posted on a CoD forum. It's a wonder they haven't been invited to the United Nations.
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Post by iw5000 on Apr 28, 2013 8:16:56 GMT -5
i don't want to insult anyone here but i thought we were all quite intelligent here. There's alot of people acting like government agencies don't kill people and blame someone else or help start wars and how many politicians actually tell the truth and while we're at it can you believe all we read in the newspapers. anyway rant over but all i know is dont believe anyone except marvel and pro baddie. You are right and it's ok. There's a lot of younger people on this board, they haven't been around the block to know what's going on yet. For example, they probably hadn't read Tom Ridge's book. Ridge is the ex Governor of PA, and the former HS director. Young people probably have never even heard of him. In the book, Ridge made some comments in which he claimed 'political reasons' were behind raising terror alerts right before an election "“There was absolutely no support for that position within our department. None,” he writes. “I wondered, ‘Is this about security or politics?’ Post-election analysis demonstrated a significant increase in the president’s approval rating in the days after the raising of the threat level.”" Manipulation. www.nbcnews.com/id/32501273/ns/us_news-security/t/ridge-says-he-was-pressured-raise-terror-alert/will a mod please move this thread over to the other board, so it can be continued?
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Post by lazy on Apr 28, 2013 14:58:18 GMT -5
basically almost everything that goes on in the world boils down to money and power. we are just pawns a commodity to be used and discarded.
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Post by lazy on Apr 28, 2013 15:55:17 GMT -5
^ actually thats very true where would these boards be without you. im just jaded because I've already been used up and discarded.
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Post by 42 on Apr 28, 2013 22:53:26 GMT -5
basically almost everything that goes on in the world boils down to money and power. we are just pawns a commodity to be used and discarded. Religion and sex are power plays, manipulate the people with the money they pay.
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Post by lazy on Apr 29, 2013 4:44:00 GMT -5
^ exactly. it makes me laugh the church passing the collection plate around the working class when at the Vatican they've got who knows how many priceless works of art. what i find most unbelievable though is that we all fall for the bullshit we are told everyday. the fuel companies tell us it costs them more to buy the fuel so they have to pass the increase on to us and then next quarter they have record profits what the fuck!!
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Post by 42 on Apr 29, 2013 7:58:18 GMT -5
Selling skin, selling God-the numbers look the same on the credit card.
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Post by iw5000 on May 1, 2013 10:23:08 GMT -5
This is looking more and more embarrassing for the US Government. And looking even more like one of the US Intel agencies was 'handling' the Tsarnaev brothers for quite some time. At least the older one, Tamerlan. Why? Four reasons stand out. 1st Reason.www.infowars.com/tamerlan-tsarnaevs-links-to-cia-operations-in-caucasus/This story is still floating around. Everyone knows Tamerlan went back to Dagestan in 2012. What is murky is what he did. But many reports are surfacing that he attended CIA backed, fronted workshops when over there. The CIA is running these workshops as a means of destabilizing the region, getting Muslim inhabitants of the region to declare independence from Moscow. 2nd Reason.www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-preparing-to-send-lethal-arms-to-syrian-opposition-officials-say/2013/04/30/3084d0d4-b1a6-11e2-bbf2-a6f9e9d79e19_story.htmlBefore someone starts crying about 'tin foil' and other silly stuff, that our Govt doesn't do activities like the above regional destabilization efforts, read that link. In it, is some recent news where our Govt is in the final steps of possibly directly arming those rebels who are trying to oust Syrian leader President Bashar al-Assad. This is according to the Washington Post. That's right, policies being openly made for US covert and not-so-covert forces directly arming the rebels, who are FSA militants working hand in hand, and jointly with AlQueada terrorists. Nothing like giving weapons to those who might want to kill us later down the road! Smart play there, with the US involving itself yet again in Middle East destabilization projects. 3rd reason.See the half dozen or so links in this thread where both the US and Russian admit to transferring information back and forth on Tamerlan. The Russians tagged him early on and tipped us off. A number of US based intel groups not only had Tamerlan on multiple warning lists, but a Boston region FBI officials also had files with him. Personal interview with Tamerlan and his family in 2011. All the above information on hand. But yet days after the bombing, thousands of FBI officials were lost as to who did it. Worse yet, they never thought to look at that file from 18 months ago of a perfect matched suspect living four miles away from where the bombs went off. How convenient and believable. 4th reason.www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2317493/Saudi-official-Kingdom-warned-United-States-IN-WRITING-Boston-Bomber-Tamerlan-Tsarnaev-2012-rejected-application-entry-visa-visit-Mecca-2011.htmlThis is new news. The Saudi's are now covering their tracks. It's being leaked to the press that the Saudi Dept of Interior sent a "Govt to Govt' letter to the higher-ups at Homeland Security specifically naming Tamerlan as red flagged individual. (and cc'd the British intelligence on this too) Not only that, but said this too, "alerted the U.S. in part because it believed American authorities should be inspecting packages that came to Tsarnaev in the mail in order to search for bomb-making components.". There's more. Tamerlan was banned from entering Saudi Arabia too. This letter was done in early 2013. This conveniently times up Prince Mohammed bin Naif bin Abdulaziz, the Saudi Interior minister, meeting Obama and US officials on January 14, 2013. (documented apparently, did a list come up?). It should be noted, Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal met with Secretary of State John Kerry on April 16, and then had an unscheduled meeting with President Obama on April 17. Who is covering who's tracks there? It seems like the entire known Intel world knew about Tamerlan and what he was up to....except for the US agencies, who continued to ignore him this spring. Why is that?
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Post by lazy on May 2, 2013 15:10:58 GMT -5
yep definitely something fishy going on there. what more can i say.
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Post by 42 on May 2, 2013 15:14:03 GMT -5
yep definitely something fishy going on there. what more can i say. I say kill 'em all.
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Post by lazy on May 2, 2013 15:42:53 GMT -5
hmm thats not a bad idea. every last one of them. (insert evil laugh).
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Post by Slick on May 2, 2013 17:30:08 GMT -5
So far no pressure from anyone to ban pressure cookers. Clearly they can cause great harm when misused, such as holding your hand above the steam vent, you're liable to get burned. We also still use fertilizer, fossil fuels, tnt, rocket fuel, nuclear power, cars, knives, the list goes on.
All of the listed items have killed people, but only due to misuse by humans/human error. This is the logical fallacy of gun control, guns don't fire by themselves, they must have the trigger pulled or have some sort of machine do it. We also apparently think criminals are not going to purchase weapons illegally on the black market, how naive we must be.
Could the government be letting crazy people do their stunts or orchestrating them? Yes, it's possible, it's occurred in the past, but the problem I have with AJ is he turns every story into a conspiracy against whatever. It's his job, so there's a potential conflict of interest, but I suppose the same case can be made for the msm.
You know what I think? I think life is too short to be consumed by fear of any kind. We wouldn't have a police state, we wouldn't have a problem with an armed population, we would be living in a freer society if we all weren't all so scared of each other. We have been conditioned to feel this way.
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Post by iw5000 on May 3, 2013 10:25:05 GMT -5
Could the government be letting crazy people do their stunts or orchestrating them? Yes, it's possible, it's occurred in the past, but the problem I have with AJ is he turns every story into a conspiracy against whatever. It's his job, so there's a potential conflict of interest, but I suppose the same case can be made for the msm. To date, AJ has not been turning anything in this situation into a conspiracy. Not in the least. I've been casually following this story and so far, almost all of his links/posts on his site have been strictly reprints from mainstream media sources like the LATimes, NYTime and WashingtonPost. These places have put up the info, AJ just then asked some questions. And the real problem has been people haven't taken the time to notice what I said above. Taken the time to also notice what AJ's point was. Which was just to ask questions. Legitimate questions. Question that aren't leaning towards the US Govt actually planting the bombs and killing people (which are what the uninformed are claiming he's saying), but simply questions that ask if the Boston Bombing was a sting operation gone bad. For the most part, that has been AJ's main position during this. This is not conspiracy angle of any sort, as this stuff is going on every single day all throughout the US and beyond. You asked in your post if it..... ' could the Govt be doing this', .....the answer to that is unequivocally YES, they are doing it every single day. I'm all for the Govt protecting us. I'm all for getting the 'bad guys'. I'm not all for the US Govt intel forces basically manufacturing crimes and terrrorists acts where none may have existed before. Basically getting trouble makers in this country who would probably never do anything, and egging them on, poking and prodding them to initiate acts, so the y Govt can bust them, claiming success in the War on Terror. That's bs and there are to date, to many instances where this has been going on the past decades. It's documented. Not conspiracy. This is how we work in this country now. And again, this crap goes on all the time. I also see this from my career/work path too, over the years. Working with groups like FINCen and others regulatory agencies in the Govt. I speak from experience here and on that side of things. It's even worse over there, the crap going on. If the average American even knew 10% of the crap going on, he would be screaming bloody murder. Which makes it doubly amusing when I see people on this board who are sharp as razors when it comes to CoD, Stats, probabilities, thoughts....simply walk into this thread and make complete ....well, I'll be polite and leave it at that.
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Post by iw5000 on May 3, 2013 12:01:07 GMT -5
ufppc.org/book-notes-mainmenu-36/11457-interview-in-foreign-policy-the-us-executive-branch-is-effectively-a-dictatorship-jeremy-scahill.htmlThe above is an interview with Jeremy Scahill. He has a new book (and film) " Dirty Wars: The World Is a Battlefield". He also wrote "Blackwater: The Rise of the World’s Most Powerful Mercenary Army. " (which I have not read) "And, you know, it’s -- to me, Somalia is, in a way, a window into the future of warfare, because you have mercenaries, drone strikes, special ops, U.S. on the ground working with proxies, but trying to not have a major U.S. footprint, and then you have an enemy that’s engaged in asymmetric warfare."In the book, he discusses at great lengths things like the much talked about now 'Kill Lists' floating around in the Govt, as well as all the covert activities that have now ramped up to new unprecedented levels under Obama. Ramped up in primary two areas of the Govt: The CIA and the Defense Dept. The CIA's paramilitary groups, groups like SAD and SOD (that are run by the CIA's NCS dept). And with the DoD, their agency, US SOCOM's JSOC dept. Which is the groups often heard about in the movies, like DEVGRU, SEal Team 6, those elite units. These groups are running wild these days, all over the globe. This book discusses all of this. Very good read up there. So is the book. Any CoD player should have an interest in this book, if not for the military aspects, then just for the knowledge of knowing what the hell our country is up too.
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Post by iw5000 on May 3, 2013 13:03:21 GMT -5
and btw, look up the stories about a man named "Anwar al-Awlaki"
The BO2 video game connection is the Hellfire missile.
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Post by iw5000 on May 3, 2013 13:28:19 GMT -5
isnt that the guy who threatened to kill the cartoonist for drawing mohammed? yes, up in Seattle. I can't remember her name. He's also connected to dozens of other terrorist plots, becoming involved from all different angles. But the truly interesting points of his story, is the murky legal swamp that developed in the race to kill him. His parents openly taking Obama and the US depts to court suing over his 'Kill List' inclusion (trying to remove him based on being a US citizen), and the US's various agencies likewise trying to murder him. The US Govt in the business of assasinating American citizens (sort of) without due process. Twisted stuff. And a truly twisted legal tale too if there ever was one, far more interesting than anything Treyarch could ever come up with. Real life is always more interesting. What made the waters even murkier was when his US citizen son, Abdulrahman, was blown to bits by a JSOC Hellfire missile drone attack a few months later. Abdulrahman was on his way to a barbecue while visiting family in Yemen. He 'reportedly' was not the primary target, someone else was, and raised the question of the US Military killing a US citizen, without due process. Obama's team flubbed this when his press secretary Robert Gibbs sa that the drone killing of Anwar al-Awlaki's son was justified, and that the boy "should [have] had a more responsible father". Ouch. Double ouch, as Barak Obama was the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize winner. The Nobel Peace Prize winner, murdering his own citizens without due process. Great stuff there. And we still have people on this board (in this thread) even doubting for one second that the US govt isn't doing crazy azz doo-doo behind the scenes? Please. Wake the fvck up.
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Post by iw5000 on May 8, 2013 11:38:16 GMT -5
Speaking of people waking up. advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2013/05/obama-administration-caught-in-another.htmlSunday, May 05, 2013 Obama Administration Caught In Another False FlagThe Obama administration accused the Syrian government of using chemical weapons on its own people ala Saddam Hussein, a so-called red line that President Obama said would warrant the United States entering yet another war in a country in which there is no plausible reason for committing U.S. troops. The UN now claims that it was the American-backed rebels, also known as Al Qaeda, which used chemical weapons. From The Hill: United Nations human rights investigators said Sunday they have gathered testimony from outside Syria suggesting rebels, not Bashar Assad's regime, may have used chemical weapons. “Our investigators have been in neighboring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals and, according to their report of last week which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated,” Carla Del Ponte, a member of the independent commission of inquiry on Syria, told Swiss-Italian television. “This was use on the part of the opposition, the rebels, not by the government authorities.” The allegations will likely make it harder for the Obama administration to justify taking a more active role in the two-year-old civil war on the side of the opposition. The administration has said in recent days that chemical weapons appeared to have been used in Syria, which would violate the “red line” Obama set for Assad's forces.
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Post by lazy on May 9, 2013 16:45:06 GMT -5
the UK and the USA do like to cause trouble in the middle east. i can't recall what country in Africa it was, but it was raging all kinds of atrocities going on for years and no one batted an eyelid. not much oil in Africa.
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