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Post by markopolo on Jul 20, 2015 11:55:54 GMT -5
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Post by iw5000 on Jul 20, 2015 12:32:31 GMT -5
Actually that just makes it even easier to fake. Just photoshop a screen cap, output the image to TV and take your picture. The reduced quality and fact that it's on a TV will obfuscate the picture and lend legitimacy even though it actually makes it easier to make it look real. To you and Marco Regarding the Ghorn. I think it's FAR MORE far fetched to think that Bungie, into it's 45th week, doesn't even know how to encode an exotic gun into it's Xur playlist last week. That is the true tin-foil conspiracy bs, that is being passed on here. "Oops, we didn't know how to code it this week" Yeah. Right. Sure, very believable. Cool story bro!!! Don't insult my intelligence. Of the two explanations, the GHorn being dropped and then some higher-ups changing their mind last minute....that is more believable.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jul 20, 2015 13:09:32 GMT -5
IMHO that possibility is unlikely. The more likely scenario is possibly the following:
1) Shortly after the launch in 2014, Bungie pulled GHorn from Xur's loot table. This is "sort of" proved by the data miners; 2) With the announcement of weapon tuning, Bungie is putting the GHorn back into the loot table, but whatever they are doing messed up Xur's inventory so weapon did not show up;
Not saying it is the case, but far more believable to me than just a random picture from internet. If I have learnt anything from the age of social media, not believing pictures I see has gotta be on the top of the list. Reasons on why I don't believe this story:
a) I don't buy the possibility that you can see the weapon but can't buy it; b) Let's say a) did happen, which means that Bungie discovered that GHorn was being sold and immediately did something to block it. That's again not very believable to me because if they really don't want GHorn to be sold, they could easily prevent it from showing up in the first place; c) I believe the Data Miner's story that GHorn is not even in the Xur's loot table, because they were able to accurately predict multiple things, including Xur's inventory, for several weeks;
Just my 2 cents opinion on this incident. Not that matters much because we all believe that Bungie did manipulate Xur to not sell GHorn. So if the main issue here is whether it is OK for Bungie to manipulate Xur, then whatever really happened on this incident is largely irrelevant.
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Post by mannon on Jul 20, 2015 15:01:27 GMT -5
So the theories are either GHorn was going to be sold, but Bungie couldn't allow that so they removed it, or Bungie decided to add GHorn to be sold but Foxtroted it up? Is that the argument? Because I personally find the evidence for both pretty slim.
What facts do we know? Xur didn't sell a weapon this week and Bungie said it was a glitch. (Hasn't this actually happened before?)
Some guy we know nothing about posted a low res picture of a TV and claimed that it was visible but not purchasable. (This could be easily faked, video would be much more convincing. Does the guy play on current gen or old gen? If current why didn't he record video and post it? Was anyone able to independently verify this? Does this guy have a reputation good or bad?)
Once upon a time Xur sold GHorn. (But we don't know which Xur sold it. Either it was in the list and removed, it was sold by the special Xur and never in the list, or it's been in the list the whole time and just RNG yo. This alone offers zero evidence either way and so in the case of no other supporting evidence we must regard the probabilities as equal.)
Dataminers were able to predict inventory in advance by snooping at his predetermined inventory shcedule. (Dataminers did NOT find the actual loot tables, which probably reside server side only.)
There are very few facts relating directly to this. In fact it hasn't even been proven that the last two facts actually are relevant to this particular case. So far the link is predicated entirely on the guy posting the pic and conjecture. This could literally be just another random glitch as Bungie messes around under the hood.
The other theories above remain possible, but are they probably? Personally the idea that Bungie was adding GHorn and screwed it up just sounds like wishful thinking to me. I guess we'll find out this Friday if Xur sells GHorn, but I'm not holding my breath. The counter theory that he was going to sell it based on his loot table but it got pulled seems to fly in the face of previous theories that Bungie pulled it from Xur's loot table to keep it out of players hands. Which is it, did they already pull it from his loot table to keep it out of players hands or did they inexplicably leave it in his loot table this whole time then panic when it popped up for sale? For that matter if they jumped in to keep it from being sold why just delete the weapon instead of replacing it with another one? How hard would it really be to copy/paste another Icebreaker or whatever into there if they can already delete what was there?
Still seems more likely than Bungie screwing up adding GHorn to me, but only because I've seen some janky vendor activity right at the end of Iron Banner when I kept playing matches a little too long over the cut off and Saladham was still in the Tower, but only selling shaders and class items... and only marginally more likely.
Mostly this is just a bunch of theorycraft.
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Post by iw5000 on Jul 20, 2015 15:12:50 GMT -5
So the theories are either GHorn was going to be sold, but Bungie couldn't allow that so they removed it, or Bungie decided to add GHorn to be sold but Foxtroted it up? Is that the argument? Because I personally find the evidence for both pretty slim. Busy today and the 15 seconds it took me type it, is about as much time as I spent thinking on it. I don't buy for one second they couldn't get Xur to work last weekend. That's absurd. IMHO, they're lying about something. And I feel that way regardless of some romoshop pic going around.
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Post by mannon on Jul 20, 2015 15:19:11 GMT -5
Yes, we're all aware of your feelings towards Bungie. I dunno what the heck happened with Xur, something weird. But, who knows.
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Post by markopolo on Jul 20, 2015 18:29:03 GMT -5
I find it much more believable that they made a typo in a scheduled PS exclusive gun and it glitched (for example, they typo'd a 7 instead of a 9 in the months section of the date code)
But I do find the internets Gjallie conspiracies funny.
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Post by iw5000 on Jul 21, 2015 8:28:59 GMT -5
Yes, we're all aware of your feelings towards Bungie. are you going to say this to Marco too, in response to his pic?
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Post by iw5000 on Jul 21, 2015 8:29:28 GMT -5
I find it much more believable that they made a typo in a scheduled PS exclusive gun and it glitched (for example, they typo'd a 7 instead of a 9 in the months section of the date code) But I do find the internets Gjallie conspiracies funny. What you said is also pretty funny too. Let me get this straight. Billion dollar corporation, funded by the biggest gaming corporation in the world (Activision)hundreds of employees, a weekly user base that is around a million users.....and all it took was a keyboard typo to shut down a feature millions use? "Oops, hit the 7, not the 9, it's done for the week!!". LOL. Really? A typo? And that didn't happen until this week? When the patch news came out?
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Post by markopolo on Jul 21, 2015 9:12:49 GMT -5
If Y2K can cause the world to go pissy over missing a 0 because of a lazy coder... then yes... I can believe someone made a typo
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Post by iw5000 on Jul 21, 2015 9:34:55 GMT -5
If Y2K can cause the world to go pissy over missing a 0 because of a lazy coder... then yes... I can believe someone made a typo Y2K was mostly all hype (marketing scam to get $$$) and no bite though.
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Post by markopolo on Jul 21, 2015 10:15:39 GMT -5
If Y2K can cause the world to go pissy over missing a 0 because of a lazy coder... then yes... I can believe someone made a typo Y2K was mostly all hype (marketing scam to get $$$) and no bite though. Sounds just like all those redditors conspiracizing that bungie removed the gjallie... All Hype and no bite
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Post by iw5000 on Jul 21, 2015 10:31:26 GMT -5
no worries, I'm sure all those Reddit people also came here and laughed at theory that a keyboard entry mistake, took down Xur for an entire weekend.
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Post by markopolo on Jul 21, 2015 10:35:27 GMT -5
Mine at least has plausability... Others are just fuelled by blind butthurtedness
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Post by wings on Jul 21, 2015 10:44:49 GMT -5
Mine at least has plausability... Others are just fuelled by blind butthurtedness Except they have already changed Xur's inventory in the first week when you could buy Strange Coins with Glimmer. That feature lasted two hours. So I think it's fairly reasonable people will assume the Gjallarhorn (odds on Bungie removing the Gjallarhorn from the loot table and not replacing it?) was meant to have been sold. Plus, Bungie would not have allowed this bug to have happened when TDB dropped, when every item required TDB, because they love their DLC a lot. I guess the most amusing thing is Bungie admitted they can't code their game properly.
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Post by mannon on Jul 21, 2015 11:18:28 GMT -5
are you going to say this to Marco too, in response to his pic? Marco probably is more pro Bungie than I am at this point... As far as the pic I don't see that as particularly pro Bungie. In fact there it seems like everybody is theorycrafting on both the pro and con... *shrug* It seems the pic is pretty on the nose if you ask me. Just to poke, again, at the theory that GHorn showed up and Bungie swooped in to delete it... Why would they not have noticed when we know that Bungie knows what is going to sell weeks in advance and already has a mechanism to completely change out all of Xur's inventory any week they feel like customizing it? The logic seems to defy most of what we have known or dissembled about Xur over the months and seems based more on the theory that Bungie is incompetent, malevolent, or both.
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Post by bradman on Jul 21, 2015 11:36:41 GMT -5
I think Witty had it right. Ghorn was long ago removed from loot table, they tried to add it this week and it glitched.
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Post by malgato on Jul 21, 2015 15:05:11 GMT -5
I think Witty had it right. Ghorn was long ago removed from loot table, they tried to add it this week and it glitched. This is my belief as well. Except replace "it glitched" with "they effed it up."
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Post by mannon on Jul 21, 2015 15:35:43 GMT -5
I'm not holding my breath that we'll see GHorn for sale on Friday.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jul 21, 2015 16:02:10 GMT -5
I'm not holding my breath that we'll see GHorn for sale on Friday. Keep in mind that even if Bungie put GHorn back into Xur's inventory (which again I am just hoping at this point, and think Bungie should), it may still subject to randomness when it can actually be sold by Xur. In the worst case scenario: I don't see why Bungie would want to withhold GHorn from Xur after TTK goes live, so players who don't have it yet WILL get it sooner or later. I am also hoping for Hawkmoon and 4th Horseman to be sold by Xur post TTK as well.
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Post by wings on Jul 21, 2015 16:02:17 GMT -5
I'm not holding my breath that we'll see GHorn for sale on Friday. It will probably be Dragon's Breath now you mention it. The following items, excluding Gjallarhorn and Thunderlord, that have yet to be sold a 4th time are as follows: Dragon's Breath, Suros Regime, No Land Beyond, Patience and Time, Hard Light and the Universal Remote. So it would not surprise me if it's one of those.
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Post by iw5000 on Jul 22, 2015 7:56:57 GMT -5
I'm not holding my breath that we'll see GHorn for sale on Friday. It will probably be Dragon's Breath now you mention it. The following items, excluding Gjallarhorn and Thunderlord, that have yet to be sold a 4th time are as follows: Dragon's Breath, Suros Regime, No Land Beyond, Patience and Time, Hard Light and the Universal Remote. So it would not surprise me if it's one of those. Correct. It's been a fairly consistent pattern so far.
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Post by iw5000 on Jul 22, 2015 8:18:26 GMT -5
I'm not holding my breath that we'll see GHorn for sale on Friday. Keep in mind that even if Bungie put GHorn back into Xur's inventory (which again I am just hoping at this point, and think Bungie should), it may still subject to randomness when it can actually be sold by Xur..
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Post by TheHawkNY on Jul 22, 2015 10:50:44 GMT -5
Keep in mind that even if Bungie put GHorn back into Xur's inventory (which again I am just hoping at this point, and think Bungie should), it may still subject to randomness when it can actually be sold by Xur.. Not even mentioned in that table: Monte Carlo - 0 What does he have to hide behind all those snakes? #NotMyAgentOfThe9
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jul 22, 2015 10:56:29 GMT -5
Well, Monte Carlo is PS exclusive Same reason for the absence of Hawkmoon and 4th Horseman. Hopefully after TTK these 3 weapons can start showing up.
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Post by wings on Jul 24, 2015 6:43:59 GMT -5
I'm not holding my breath that we'll see GHorn for sale on Friday. It will probably be Dragon's Breath now you mention it. The following items, excluding Gjallarhorn and Thunderlord, that have yet to be sold a 4th time are as follows: Dragon's Breath, Suros Regime, No Land Beyond, Patience and Time, Hard Light and the Universal Remote. So it would not surprise me if it's one of those. Didn't get it correct with Dragon's Breath, but it is Patience and Time so the pattern continues regardless.
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Post by iw5000 on Jul 24, 2015 6:57:56 GMT -5
It will probably be Dragon's Breath now you mention it. The following items, excluding Gjallarhorn and Thunderlord, that have yet to be sold a 4th time are as follows: Dragon's Breath, Suros Regime, No Land Beyond, Patience and Time, Hard Light and the Universal Remote. So it would not surprise me if it's one of those. Didn't get it correct with Dragon's Breath, but it is Patience and Time so the pattern continues regardless. 3 becomes 4. " Where is Destiny’s new Xur location for July 24? Xur can be found at the Tower North and is now selling ‘The Armamentarium’ chest armor, as well as the ‘Young Ahamkara’s Spine’ gaunlet. He also has the ‘Starfire Protocol’ chest armor, and unlike last week when he sold no weapon this week he has the ‘Patience and Time ‘sniper rifle, as well as the normal Exotic Shard and Chest Engram. Please do watch the full video below for more details of location and what he has to offer".
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Post by iw5000 on Jul 24, 2015 7:40:48 GMT -5
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Post by mannon on Jul 24, 2015 7:50:34 GMT -5
Yeah it definitely looks like they applied some form of normalization to his inventory, at least with the weapons.
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Post by markopolo on Jul 24, 2015 10:15:08 GMT -5
Tower, Directly across from the speaker.
Exotic Gear:
The Armamentarium, Titan Chest Armor, 133 Discipline Young Ahamkara's Spine, Hunter Gauntlets 103 Discipline Starfire Protocol, Warlock Chest Armor 126 Intellect Patience and Time Sniper Rifle Exotic Shard Material Exotic Engram Body Armor Engram
Curios:
Fusion Rifle Telemetry Consumable Machine Gun Telemetry Consumable Rocket Launcher Telemetry Consumable Plasma Drive Vehicle Upgrade Stealth Drive Vehicle Upgrade Heavy Ammo Synthesis Consumable
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