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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 12, 2014 13:14:16 GMT -5
I'm planning to upgrade my IceBreaker as well. This is how it's gonna go....Bungie is going to see that everyone and their sister is upgrading IceBreaker this week, so in turn, they will have Xur sell it next week to troll the living sh*t out of all of us since they haven't sold one for ages. This is not a problem because for weapons refurbish is still better than purchasing new, you'll save 3 coins for special and heavy, and 9 coins for primary. I take that back (a little bit). What I said above is only true if the exotic weapon is not fully upgraded. For fully upgraded Special/Heavy: Option 1: refurbish Refurbish: 1 exotic shard = 7 coins, and 7000+ glimmers Upgrade: 1 exotic shard = 7 coins Total: 14 coins + 7000 glimmers Option 2: Buy a new one, dismantle the old one, and fully upgrade the new one Purchase: 17 coins Upgrade: 1 exotic shard Dismantle: -2 exotic shards (Can anybody confirm that this is indeed the case?)
Total: 17 + (1 -2) * 7 = 10 coins Purchase still wins. Refurbish a primary, even a fully upgraded one, is still a better option though (barely, because you also need to spend 7000+ glimmers) Option 1: refurbish Refurbish: 1 exotic shard = 7 coins Upgrade: 1 exotic shard = 7 coins Total: 14 coins + 7000 glimmers Option 2: Buy a new one, dismantle the old one, and fully upgrade the new one Purchase: 23 coins Upgrade: 1 exotic shard Dismantle: -2 exotic shards Total: 23 + (1 -2) * 7 = 16 coins |
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 12, 2014 13:22:07 GMT -5
Now looking back: Bungie should have sweetened the deal on exchange by preserving partial or full upgrades.
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Post by mannon on Dec 12, 2014 13:30:22 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned "grinding" isn't an inherently negative term, but a mechanical one that refers to doing repetitive activities to make incremental progress towards some goal or to increase the statistical odds of achieving a goal.
If an activity is fun the first time it's likely to be fun a lot more times, especially if you can mix in a few other activities along the way. This is why I enjoy patrolling so much. Because I'm not just sitting in one place grinding out the same spawns over and over. I move around and chase public events, ways to finish my bounties, and patrol missions, so I'm constantly changing scene and doing different things even if I have done those things 100 times.
Of course, you definitely get diminishing returns on fun and people react differently. I personally actually enjoy a certain amount of grinding. Anything that I play once and never do again always feels like I could have done it better. Repeating an activity helps me hone my skills at that particular activity and learn more and more about it. I also have different modes of playing. I really enjoy the first time I beat a tough mission, especially with my brother or a friend. It's a challenge and the emotional reward for doing it is far better than any in game reward. But I also really enjoy activities I can do with less challenge. Something that has fun mechanics like shooting enemies in the head but that I can do almost on autopilot. I can have conversations or even listen and glance over at TV while doing these things, or just let my mind wander. But then I do that a lot. I like that Destiny actually offers both modes of play and everything in between.
IW definitely seems like he is far more averse to repetition than I am. I don't blame him, we're all different.
What buts me about Xur is I don't see how his offerings could be optimal for either fun or encouraging grinding. It would make a lot more sense if there didn't seem to be so much disparity between his offerings for different classes. It makes me think that whether by some bit of logic or Bungie handpicking either way there must be some bit of metadata that is leading to this. That and is it possible that Warlocks actually have fewer exotics? That seems unlikely, but it's not like I know. I could look it up at home, but most things are blocked here.
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Post by mannon on Dec 12, 2014 13:39:57 GMT -5
Now looking back: Bungie should have sweetened the deal on exchange by preserving partial or full upgrades. I think it's intentionally more expensive due to the huge number of exotics already in game. They didn't want everybody to be able to exchange old exotics for new ones practically for free. This way it costs you glimmer which is capped, and coins. The opportunity cost of those coins is other exotics you could have bought. Or you can wait for Xur to sell the exotic out-right which is almost certainly hand picked to manage drop rates. Although without player trading I'm not sure this kind of management really makes sense. It doesn't matter how many of X item are in player's hands, because that doesn't affect the cost of acquiring it at all. What matters should be player's time, and the current system is inherently random and unfair on that. |
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Post by thebb22 on Dec 12, 2014 14:31:40 GMT -5
You say this as if it is a bad thing. Not everyone in this world has an Icebreaker, ya know. #Check_yer_privilege,yo I actually have two of them...  I would be happy if Xur sold it. I want my teammates to be able to have that weapon available for whatever hard stuff it is that we're doing. It's just going to be annoying when I spent the extra currencies to upgrade one when I could have just bought it the next week. If he does sell it though, I have another one I can break down. And I may purchase a third just to have one on each character. It's that useful. |
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 12, 2014 14:33:17 GMT -5
Ice Breaker is THE weapon that I would actually want 1 per character ( I am in general against that for others, especially now we see that weapons can become obsolete. Bungie made it sound like that the old exotic won't but today we realized that they kinda WILL). I don't even need it to be upgraded, sometimes just generating ammo is useful enough  |
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Post by tooros on Dec 13, 2014 15:13:21 GMT -5
Xur was good to me. I've wanted the Symbiote for ages and was about to pounce but rolled two engrams, for MoL, and got a Symbiote and the titan helmet with the led face. Excellent.
Upgraded my icebreaker and suros for the same reasons as everyone else.
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Post by wings on Dec 13, 2014 15:24:26 GMT -5
You say this as if it is a bad thing. Not everyone in this world has an Icebreaker, ya know. #Check_yer_privilege,yo I actually have two of them... I have four.  I bought three - one for each character and then the fourth was a Nightfall drop. |
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Post by wings on Dec 13, 2014 15:31:13 GMT -5
Xur was good to me. I've wanted the Symbiote for ages and was about to pounce but rolled two engrams, for MoL, and got a Symbiote and the titan helmet with the led face. Excellent. Upgraded my icebreaker and suros for the same reasons as everyone else. I also got the Achlyophage Symbiote from a purchased engram. Handy as it replaced my existing one so I need not bother getting a legendary helmet in order to rank up. |
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Post by malgato on Dec 13, 2014 20:38:53 GMT -5
Xur was good to me. I've wanted the Symbiote for ages and was about to pounce but rolled two engrams, for MoL, and got a Symbiote and the titan helmet with the led face. Excellent. Upgraded my icebreaker and suros for the same reasons as everyone else. I also got the Symbiote from Xur. And another exotic Hunter helm. Which of course proves Xur is an asshole. I do not play Hunter. Eff you Xur. |
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 14, 2014 11:44:13 GMT -5
I ended up taking a lot more from Xur than I planned, because I fear that many of the options won't show up again: Purchased: Symbiote, Ruined Wings, Voidfang, Truth Upgraded: 3rd Man, Spine, Armamentarium, No Backup Plans, Sunbreakers, Suros, Ice Breaker Engram lottery: bought 3 (since Helm is the most important piece, so I went all in), gave me 2 Glasshouse (the new Titan helm), and Light Beyond Nemesis I now have 36 light exotic helm/guantlet for all 3 of my characters, and exotic chest for Warlock and Hunter. This will make road to level 32 a little bit easier. Only have 21 coins left and are badly broke on the glimmer side. Still have 5 weekly and 3 Nightfall between this week and next week to restock the coins. Will be much more stingy with them next time |
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 15, 2014 18:18:16 GMT -5
New exotic armors are still 13 coins just like before. The cost to reXurbish an old exotic to the new 36 light version is 1 exotic shard (which cost 7 coins) plus 7000 glimmer. Either way you start from scratch on the leveling process so there's no difference there. Here's why buying new is better than reXurbishing: The total cost to fully upgrade is less. Buying new costs you 13 coins for the piece itself and 1 exotic shard (aka 7 coins). But you'll get that exotic shard for "free" from breaking down the old 30 light version since you won't be needing it anymore ( you actually get 2 shards if it was fully leveled already -- bonus!). So the total cost is 13 coins. If you reXurbish, you pay 7 coins plus 7000 glimmer up front, plus you'll have to spend 7 more coins for the exotic shard to fully upgrade it on the back end. So the total cost to fully upgrade is 14 coins and 7000 glimmer. 13 coins is a lot nicer than 14 coins + 7000 glimmer, obviously. Basically try to buy new if you can. Personally I'll be reXurbishing my Armamentarium despite the higher cost because I'm impatient and don't want to wait who knows how long for Xur to sell it new again, but I'll just buy a new Voidfang instead of upgrading my old one. Is the gold part above true? I was partying with Dumien the other day, he broke down a fully upgraded old exotic armor piece, and only got 1 exotic shard out of it. I haven't tried it yet myself because I want to upgrade the new exotic at least pass the point of armor-specific talents before breaking down the old one. Because until then, the old one can get me to the same level as the new one, but with better talents. On a related note: is it true that Xur will never offer upgrades to "Vex Mythoclast"? It has max attack at 323, while that is better than the old exotics, it is still inferior to the new exotics. I am hoping that Xur will offer upgrade to get it to 350+ attacks, because otherwise there is no point for players to try to earn it from VoG. |
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 17, 2014 16:15:10 GMT -5
Tested out the above last night after my new Symbiote finally reached extra golden gun bullet stage (so no need to keep the old one any more): fully upgraded exotic armor does NOT produce 2 exotic shards, it only produces 1.
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Post by hebbnh on Dec 17, 2014 16:25:33 GMT -5
I could swear I got 2 from doing that at some point. Maybe it's somewhat random like everything else, where sometimes you get 2 shards but others you get 3 when breaking down legendary stuff, or either 2 or 3 plasteel plating from blue gear?
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Post by mannon on Dec 17, 2014 16:32:15 GMT -5
I thought I got 2 as well, but will have to check. Can't login to bungie.net right now to see my inventory.
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Post by wings on Dec 26, 2014 9:21:17 GMT -5
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I bought three - one for each character and then the fourth was a Nightfall drop.
