Rocket Launchers......

[iw5000]

I have never had an opportunity to get a Gjallarhorn, so pretty much (in regards to Rocket Launchers), it seems like i am always trying to find the next best thing. This week's Xur didn't make it any better. Our offering the Gjallorhorn for upgrade, and a Warlock Exotic chest piece (i don't have) for upgrade too.....thanks, but have never seen either. F off Xur. Moving on, I thought this video did a nice job comparing exotic 'Truth' to the Gjallahorn. Never quite understood what makes the Gjallarhorn special, as it's stats, on the surface, aren't that much better than many high impact RL's. But from watching this video, it would appear the Gjallarhorn's special trick is just one perk.....the added perk towards the end, the 'Wolfpack Rockets'. After your initial hit, these sub/mini extra rockets deliver a ton of extra damage. In this video...





....the author does a nice job comparing things. He's running the Moon mission 'Shrine of Oryx', on it's highest level (at the time Lv 28), and doing a test. Testing The Truth vs the Gjallarhorn (both at Level 300) in taking down the final boss. Interesting comparison, in that the Truth needs SEVEN rockets to get the job done, the Gjallarhorn only needed THREE. That's a ridiculous high difference between the true. The Truth does have a 'auto-lock' seek feature, plus early detonation feature, but so what. An extra four rockets needed is a bit to much.

Which leads me to this thread, and a question. I have a Rocket Launcher called the 'Admonisher III'. It's a 331 Legendary launcher. It has a similar feature (at least i think it does) to the Wolf Pack rounds. The Admonisher III has what's called 'Cluster Bombs' that go off after the primary rocket hit. So i tested this out in the Shrine of Oryx mission, trying to follow what the above video maker did. To compare. Or at least try to, because Destiny only offerers a Level 30 version at the top end now. The boss will be a bit tougher to beat.

So 331 Admonisher III versus final Boss at Level 30. How many rockets? My test examples showed either three or four rockets to get the job done. I tested a few times and wasn't entirely sure. Definitely four would be the max end. But the boss came down in three on two tests. Anyone else use this Launcher? It seems like a nice poor man's substitute, if you have been unlucky so far. I think the Cluster Bomb feature does a nice job in simulating what the Wolfpack Rounds with the Gjallahorn. I think this is just as powerful as the Gjallarhorn. At least it appears to be (but no tracking feature)



So what's the best?

XFurb Gjallarhorn 331? .....Tracking. Yes. Wolfpack Rounds. Yes
Hunger of Crota 331..........Tracking. Yes. Cluster Bombs. Yes.
Dragon's Breath 331.........Tracking. ? Three missiles in tube. Yes. Leaves a solar flare upon impact.
Admonisher III 331............Tracking. No. Cluster Bombs. Yes.


Can anyone add to this?

[wings]

I imagine the Gjallahorn would be preferred to deal with the anti-cheese Minotaur in the Nexus strike. It's a pain to kill with a machine gun when the boss is practically dead with void burn. You don't want to get blown up using the Truth. And I had the coins to buy it. :/

[thebb22]

I got that same rocket launcher, however mine had a bunch of useless perks. Mulligan...chance to return a missed shot to the clip...which is stupid because it only has one rocket in the tube anyway. Plus third eye....radar stays active when ADS. Who aims their rocket launcher for more than 2 seconds? Nobody. Completely useless. Yours sounds much, much better. All this being said, I'm not complaining because RNGesus gave me a brand new Gjallarhorn as a nightfall reward this week, and I just upgraded my old one today too, so I'm in great shape.

[hebbnh]

I think the biggest difference between the wolfpack rounds from Gjallarhorn and cluster bombs on some of the other launchers is that the wolfpack rounds will hone in on one target, whereas the cluster bombs are spread over a set area, so not all of them will be able to hit a single target unless it's very large, like the Devil Walker. Because of that, Gjallarhorn will likely reign supreme for massive single target damage, but anything with cluster bombs should make a great substitute. If/when I get the Hunger of Crota (raid launcher with tracking and cluster bombs, so probably closest you can get to Gjallarhorn), I'll do a comparison between the two and see how they stack up.

[iw5000]

Dec 27, 2014 13:28:49 GMT -5 hebbnh said:

I think the biggest difference between the wolfpack rounds from Gjallarhorn and cluster bombs on some of the other launchers is that the wolfpack rounds will hone in on one target, whereas the cluster bombs are spread over a set area, so not all of them will be able to hit a single target unless it's very large, like the Devil Walker. Because of that, Gjallarhorn will likely reign supreme for massive single target damage, but anything with cluster bombs should make a great substitute. If/when I get the Hunger of Crota (raid launcher with tracking and cluster bombs, so probably closest you can get to Gjallarhorn), I'll do a comparison between the two and see how they stack up.

Do what that guy did in the video. Go do the Shrine of Oryx Mission on the Moon. Set the level to 30. That seems to be a good test as the it doesn't take long to get to the end stage (8 to 10 min), there isn't to many other things around the boss to cause distractions, and at level 30, the boss will take some damage. It will absorb some rocket fire.


Try that one. See how many rockets it takes. The Admonisher III was taking three to four rockets to get the job done. Looking back, maybe i got split results because as you said, sometimes those cluster bombs were maybe hitting some of the small monsters by the boss's side. Maybe that's why i got mixed results. Some tests taking three, some taking four.

[Moduz]

Here's the issue... Cluster bombs do a fair amount of additional damage to bosses that are standing on the ground because the "cluster" drops straight down and blows up. Unfortunately because it drops straight down, on flying bosses like Omigul it probably doesn't do much more damage than a normal rocket.

[TheHawkNY]

Didn't watch the video to see if this is covered, but most of the people that I play with dislike the Truth for PvE because the "Grenades and Horseshoes" perk makes the rockets explode early, and thus doing less damage than if it were to be a direct impact. I don't know how explosive damage and range work in Destiny, so I can't say for certain.

[markopolo]

Dropped a Hezen's Vengance in VoG last night... any good? Bungie.net is down right now, so I don't remember the perks to it

[wings]

Feb 24, 2015 10:35:50 GMT -5 TheHawkNY said:

Didn't watch the video to see if this is covered, but most of the people that I play with dislike the Truth for PvE because the "Grenades and Horseshoes" perk makes the rockets explode early, and thus doing less damage than if it were to be a direct impact. I don't know how explosive damage and range work in Destiny, so I can't say for certain.

Truth sure helped me take out the Minotaur in The Buried City (Eliminate the Target).

[qupie]

The big reason why the Gjallor is so good against single targets is because ALL the damage put out by it, will hit the single target directly.
Cluster bombs are a great perk, but are way less effective against a single target. They drop to the floor.
Try to compare different rocket launchers against groups of enemies. It will be way less of a difference. The Gjallor really only excels in taking down big bosses, let it have that niche, I don't care.

I personally barely use rocket launchers against single targets, really only against crota. So I am not that upset by it.

Other then that, Truth is a awesome PvP gun, I have three and will never sell even one. I hope they never change it.
It is even not that bad when screwing around PvE, because you can just fire them in the general direction you want, and they will always hit. It also has a really big blast radius if I remember correctly. That is the design of the weapon, not pure damage, but pure accuracy.

Feb 24, 2015 10:35:50 GMT -5 TheHawkNY said:

Didn't watch the video to see if this is covered, but most of the people that I play with dislike the Truth for PvE because the "Grenades and Horseshoes" perk makes the rockets explode early, and thus doing less damage than if it were to be a direct impact. I don't know how explosive damage and range work in Destiny, so I can't say for certain.

The Gjallorhorn actually also has the grenades and horseshoes upgrade, or something very similar. Didn't find out untill a month ago or so, but it does kinda take away a bit of the truth's shine. ( I am personally a big fan of the perk, as I don't like waiting for a lock, but other players hate it, because it can cause suicides)

I never put my Gjallor in the vault, I only have one, and my Titan is the proud owner. The damage difference between it and other rocket launchers is not worth the wait to go twice to the tower IMO