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Post by iw5000 on Apr 15, 2015 10:36:16 GMT -5
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I am not sure if it's normal or hard.
He uses a Hunter.
I watched this and to be blunt, I have no clue how he got away with some of the stuff he did. Like with the Bridge. How is he not hitting the invisible wall there? And with the DeathSinger. He just sits up on a ledge, and none of the enemies shoot him. I try that? I have nine things shooting at me, killing me instantly.
But then again, it REALLY helps having the Gjallorhorn. :-(
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Post by hebbnh on Apr 15, 2015 12:52:42 GMT -5
It's on normal. He did the bridge jump basically the same way I've been doing it for quite a while. I know I've tried to explain it to you before, but if you angle towards the bridge for a bit and then turn toward the ledge, you can bypass the invisible kill wall thing. It takes a little practice to figure out, but it's extremely easy that way with a Titan, a little harder with a Warlock, and pretty tough as a Hunter. Then again, I never had my Hunter set up the way he does, using blink twice in addition to sword butterflying -- I always used higher jump or switched to Gunslinger for triple jump. Probably pretty easy using blink that way, actually. As far as the enemies not shooting him? Just a lucky run I'd guess. There are probably 20 times in that vid where he's this close to death but doesn't die. Gotta have luck for that!
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Post by iw5000 on Apr 15, 2015 20:48:19 GMT -5
It's on normal. He did the bridge jump basically the same way I've been doing it for quite a while. I know I've tried to explain it to you before, but if you angle towards the bridge for a bit and then turn toward the ledge, you can bypass the invisible kill wall thing. It takes a little practice to figure out, but it's extremely easy that way with a Titan, a little harder with a Warlock, and pretty tough as a Hunter. Then again, I never had my Hunter set up the way he does, using blink twice in addition to sword butterflying -- I always used higher jump or switched to Gunslinger for triple jump. Probably pretty easy using blink that way, actually. As far as the enemies not shooting him? Just a lucky run I'd guess. There are probably 20 times in that vid where he's this close to death but doesn't die. Gotta have luck for that! I gave up on the middle route, pretty early. I think because i found the other way very workable for me. II pretty much just stuck with landing the far left rock, under the platform. Then jumping up to the ledge. If you do it right, there's still plenty of time to take out the Knight. That said, it is a bit of a bitch with the Hunter. I can land the rock, but i can't always get up on the ledge. It is very easy with the Titan and Warlock though. I'll have to try that middle route again sometime.
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Post by iw5000 on Apr 15, 2015 21:00:07 GMT -5
As far as the video. Deathsinger section. Around 8:22.
He goes in to kill the Shrieker, to start it off. He ends up doing a double, and getting both the Shrieker and Wizard, in one go while in the room. But here's the thing. He goes in at 8:02 and then exits around 8:19. The whole time in there, not ONE single knight or acolyte ran in to hit or shoot him. That's nuts. I do my runs, those knights are in on my azz within 5 seconds it seems like. Yet he gets a free pass for 18 seconds?
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Post by qupie on Apr 16, 2015 6:52:20 GMT -5
This is a classic example of selection bias. He probably did this 100 times and we are only seeing fastest and most succesfull one. It is the way youtube works.
Just like all youtube heroes have only 80-6 games on youtube, while their KD is around 1.5.
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Post by mannon on Apr 16, 2015 8:12:35 GMT -5
It's a world record time... there is by definition "selection bias" when you are selecting the for the fastest time. Of course he's done this a bunch of times and posted his fastest one, that's the point. Nobody goes for a world record time and posts their most average completion...
Ultimately it doesn't matter how many times he did it or how much luck was involved. If it was all luck somebody else will beat his time pretty quickly. If it wasn't then his record may stand for a while, or not. Who knows...
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Post by iw5000 on Apr 16, 2015 8:20:05 GMT -5
Well, of course there is selection bias. I am aware of that. You obviously don't set a world record every time. So you show your best run. But that's still not my point. My point is how on earth is he getting the monster AI on some of those parts, to behave the way it is. Maybe those things on that section behave that way, 1 in 30 times...but I have yet to see it. Speaking to the section I mentioned above.
So I guess the question is, is he actively doing something, to get the monster AI to behave the way it does? Specifically, on the 8:00 min mark section.I'm going to have to revisit this again. Try it out. See if I can get the AI to behave like that on solo stuff.
I did go try and bridge jump last night, how he did it. But I could not replicate his teleport/knife swing jump. Not even close. I gave up after three or four tries.
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Post by markopolo on Apr 16, 2015 10:48:36 GMT -5
Digital editing is a helluvadrug, yo
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Post by iw5000 on Apr 16, 2015 11:19:35 GMT -5
Digital editing is a helluvadrug, yo I don't think that is going on. Very few if any youtubers have that ability.
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Post by Dumien on Apr 16, 2015 16:15:54 GMT -5
The SR community is actually very good at keeping integrity high and watchdogging for hoaxes.
Most of the top names are constantly streaming failed runs over and over until they get that perfect gem. "RNG" is the name of that game. They scream it from the rooftops.
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Post by hebbnh on Apr 23, 2015 14:07:25 GMT -5
iw5000, here's a nice vid on jumping the bridge. Method for each class included. I've never used blink on either the Hunter or Warlock build for this, I've always gone with triple jump or focused burst.
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Post by iw5000 on Apr 23, 2015 14:58:14 GMT -5
Interesting.
I have no issues with the Warlock or Titan going over by the rock. I can hit that (as well as kills the knight) probably 90% of the time.
Its the Hunter that I struggle with. I can get on the far side rock probably 9 out of 10 times, but I'm sketchy jumping up onto the ledge, then killing the knight. I struggle here.
The middle route looks so easy up there, but I struggle with it. I guess I am moving right to soon. They say that in the video, so I guess that's my issue. I'll have to revisit this.
I would really like to nail this solo Crota raid down, and do it in a fast time. I think the Hunter gives me the best option to do so.
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Post by iw5000 on Apr 23, 2015 20:40:34 GMT -5
I just tried this with the hunter.
Fvck it. Couldn't even get remotely close with the blink thing.
I feel like it's going to take three hours of practice to get the timing down, and it;s just not worth the hassle.
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Post by iw5000 on Apr 23, 2015 21:03:04 GMT -5
Yeah, this here is what keeps happening.
I keep ending up about 10' lower the guy in the video
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Post by hebbnh on Apr 24, 2015 8:01:37 GMT -5
I dunno, but it looks like you're not double tapping jump fast enough. You're blinking more out in your vid, other dude is blinking more up. If you've got a method that works consistently already, I'd just stick with that.
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Post by iw5000 on Apr 24, 2015 8:15:59 GMT -5
I dunno, but it looks like you're not double tapping jump fast enough. You're blinking more out in your vid, other dude is blinking more up. If you've got a method that works consistently already, I'd just stick with that. Maybe that's the problem. idk I'll try it again this weekend. That's why I posted the video. After a while, it's hard to see what one is doing wrong.
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Post by iw5000 on Apr 24, 2015 8:22:22 GMT -5
ok...just realized I could watch the two videos side by side. I am angled ok after the first blink and two swings. I am slightly lower than him. But overall pretty close. But you are right. After my SECOND blink, I am pushed further left then he is, plus a good 10-15' lower in the air too. It looks like not so much because he's jumping up. He's not. It looks more like because I am teleporting slightly downward
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Post by mannon on May 1, 2015 9:16:17 GMT -5
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Post by iw5000 on May 4, 2015 8:43:09 GMT -5
That's a very good link. Nice to see other ways to solo without the GHorn. That guy makes it look really easy, so I can't imagine how many hours he had to put into experimentation. It had to be hundreds of hours. But he's getting it to work.
What's actually most interesting is the DeathSinger links. He puts some interesting spawn tips up on that one video, that show how they enemies move around the map before you get to the song/ritual. Some of these are really subtle, but they make a huge difference in results. Rather than grinding out a success rate of maybe 1 in 20 solo, you can lower than to maybe 1 in 5? I'm just speaking for myself. Some of my DeathSinger techniques were sloppy and didnt' use his spawn movement stuff (how he shifted the enemies out of the final room) I was relying on brute force a bit to much, also with some luck, and that made it really grinding. Grinding... if one doesn't have the GHorn. You have this weapon, you can blast through the Deathsinger solo relatively easily. It's sooooooooo much easier. Almost not fair.
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Post by iw5000 on May 11, 2015 18:28:18 GMT -5
I would kill to have someone tell me how the fvck some of these solo YouTubers are doing the DeathSinger so easily. In the links above, that guy is running into the first shreiker room, shooting the wizard with ONE Dragon's Breath shot, then killing the wizard with THREE shotgun/swordbreaker shots......
....and he has all the time in the world, to make a sandwich, write a few emails, and pretty much hang out and shoot the shrieker.
Me? I go in. Take out the wizard like he does,....and i have two knights swarming me with swords every single time i try it, as well as 3-4 acolytes potshotting me too. Every single time. Without fail.
I just can't replicate his easy environment.
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