pachiderm
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Post by pachiderm on Mar 12, 2016 22:13:04 GMT -5
wacky anarcho-capitalist answers If property rights arise from the natural law, and are not a positive right from legal institutions, then unconsenting taxation is literally theft. I really don't need to say anything about this, but you're evil, your views are evil, and you should never be allowed any power over decisions concerning government.
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Post by Aphoristic on Mar 12, 2016 22:20:19 GMT -5
I don't think Jaedrik even understands the implications of what doing all the shit he wants are.
When you have views too extreme to fit under the Foxtroting libertarian candidates views, you have a serious problem.
I don't think you realize, Jaedrik, that anarchy is only theoretically possible until someone kills all of the anarchists.
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Post by blackbarney on Mar 13, 2016 9:52:45 GMT -5
WhatTheFoxtrotAmIReading.png "I don't know where money comes from" Lol, love it
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Post by illram on Mar 13, 2016 13:14:15 GMT -5
We tried Jaedrik's form of government once. And then we climbed down from the trees and invented fire and figured out something much better.
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Post by Aphoristic on Mar 13, 2016 13:56:15 GMT -5
And now I'm 0/3 trying to push friends to go and vote. This shit is why Hillary is going to beat Sanders. Sanders supporters have too many excuses to not bother with voting. Sigh.
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Post by Slick on Mar 13, 2016 14:07:48 GMT -5
Indeed, what a shame. You can thank the media for that.
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Post by blackbarney on Mar 13, 2016 15:33:34 GMT -5
I predict this election will have record low turnout. I don't think moderate Republicans are going to be able to vote for Trump and they won't bring themselves to vote for Hillary do I think they'll stay home.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 16:21:36 GMT -5
I can think there's more to it than that.
First and foremost comprehension complexity is a huge wrench in the gears. There is no official government site that accurately tracks every candidate's stance on every subject. It's always a third-party site. Even then you're talking about dozens of paragraph-long answers to all sort of issues that most candidates may or not care about discussing to begin with. It's too much no matter how smart you are; your brain is going to sift through so much crap. That's why it's important to make your platform memorable. If Trump never called illegal immigrants rapists nobody would remember him talking about illegal immigration. If Jeb didn't have pocket turtles nobody would be making videos like this:
Of course, had he won he would be "innocent and charming".
There's also -The person's candidate of choice fell out of the race, and nobody else accurately represents their viewpoints. It's possible, but unlikely considering another candidate can offer them more of what they want in compromise. Like, if I wanted to vote for Rand Paul who would I vote for instead? How would I know?
-People think government is ineffectual and too distant from the people to really do anything for them. It's a country with 320 million people; some things are going to stop being personal.
-There's the less pessimistic view of "Everyone on the stage knows what they're doing. I'll let them sort it out- they all probably know what they're doing".
-Reach. Politicians used to only answer to journalists on older news sites, and recently they've been getting onto TV shows. There have been a few long-form interviews. They have been forming more of a presence on the internet. But there's the problem. Facebook and Twitter are huge, but I wouldn't call those places ideal for long-form discussion.
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Post by pachiderm on Mar 13, 2016 20:39:52 GMT -5
We tried Jaedrik's form of government once. And then we climbed down from the trees and invented fire and figured out something much better. It doesn't even go back that far. As a country, we started out with something similar to what Jaedrik believes. Slowly but surely, though, we been removing people's right to cheat, scam, and exploit each other through government regulation. Literally every right you have as a worker or as a customer is there because people used to be exploited for profit. We used to use child labor in factories because their hands were small enough to fit inside the machines. We used to not list all of the ingredients on the packaging of food, and there used to be no regulation on what was put in that food. We had price fixing and monopolies. Workers would be exploited until they organized and demanded better conditions, and then they would be fired and replaced with people from the bread lines and poor houses who were willing to work in terrible conditions for unfair wages. We used not to have 9-5 workdays and weekends. We used not to have a minimum wage. We used to have slaves. Anyone who suggests the free market can regulate itself needs a history lesson. But short of that, I'll provide a couple examples of government regulation helping you in your day to day life. 1. I went to a gas station today and bought 10 gallons of gasoline for $1.95 a gallon. That's pretty cheap gas compared to a year ago, and that's because of lower oil prices and competition in the market. Now if you think the free market itself wants competition you're wrong. The free market hates competition. I guarantee you Exxon would prefer it if they were the only source of gasoline and could set their own prices, but they can't because of anti-monopoly laws and anti-trust laws. They can't buy out all of the competition in an area and set one specific price that everyone would have to pay if they wanted to buy gasoline. They can't collude with other businesses and agree to a specific price that everyone would charge. They can't sell you half a gallon for the price of a gallon because "oh whoops the machine was off and we accidentally overcharged you." They can't do that because they are subject to inspections by the Maryland Department of Agriculture Weights and Measures, and they will be heavily fined if it is found that their machines aren't working properly. These are all things that government regulation does for you as a customer to prevent you from being cheated and exploited for profit. 2. We talked about vaccinations causing autism a few pages back and Jaedrik was even the one who brought it up as a potential problem. The irony of him doing that was not lost on me. Who does he think will stop the autism vaccines if the government is gone? What would stop big pharma from just covering that up completely? Moreover, if the toxic substances control act just goes away (nevermind that small government idealists and big businesses have succeeded in preventing it from being substantially updated for the past 40 years) what's to stop big pharma from using whatever they want in vaccines? We have issues with this already because of the progressive de-funding of the EPA. What's to stop businesses in general from using whatever chemical accomplishes their goals for the lowest price regardless of the environmental or health impacts? The general public isn't informed enough to make decisions on who to boycott because they're using carcinogens in children's toys. The public may know about asbestos, but for every dangerous thing we know about there are many many more we don't know about and won't know about until a generation of people get cancer. Think about how hard the tobacco companies fought against warning labels on cigarette packs and you'll get a good idea of how much big businesses care about their customers.
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Post by blackbarney on Mar 14, 2016 14:13:40 GMT -5
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Post by Aphoristic on Mar 14, 2016 16:21:45 GMT -5
The real question is how do you change the minds of the millions of grandparents who believe Trump is the second coming of Jesus.
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Post by Will on Mar 14, 2016 17:38:16 GMT -5
The real question is how do you change the minds of the millions of grandparents who believe Trump is the second coming of Jesus. Or the millions of millennials who think the same about Bernie.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 22:18:29 GMT -5
The real question is how do you change the minds of the millions of grandparents who believe Trump is the second coming of Jesus. >Year is 2019 >Trump running for re-election >94% of the Mexican population exterminated >America great again >Donald Trump placed on trial for having Mexican ancestry >Trump is sentenced to crucifixion >He must drag his cross a small distance of a million inches >In his final moments Jeb Bush, the hivemind leader of the Mexicans, walks up to the crucified Trump >"Please clap."
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Post by probaddie on Mar 15, 2016 14:01:27 GMT -5
for real though jeb has the social skills of a walrus. hes the kind of guy whod be excited to check his mail every day. He'd probably send everyone cat videos if he was president. Not even: a walrus at least knows how to throw its weight around.
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Post by Slick on Mar 15, 2016 17:34:20 GMT -5
The real question is how do you change the minds of the millions of grandparents who believe Trump is the second coming of Jesus. Or the millions of millennials who think the same about Bernie. Not really an apples to apples argument. Drumpf makes deliberate attempts to get negative attention with tasteless comments, makes comments that amount to war crimes if they actually occurred, and is a straight up bully. You cannot silence political speech, which is what he recently threatened to do by threatening to sue the protesters. Can you imagine if Sanders had said even one of these things? He doesn't so he doesn't get the press time, and he speaks at a higher grade level, so less people are interested in what he says. That is the reality of the political landscape at this point: It's full of soundbites, gotcha moments, and no substance regarding actual policies.
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Mar 15, 2016 19:25:11 GMT -5
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Post by Aphoristic on Mar 16, 2016 4:29:15 GMT -5
Clinton was favored going into yesterday in every single state. Sanders getting basically a tie in Illinois and Missouri is him doing just fine.
Every state from here on out is going to be easily in Sanders' camp if idiots don't buy into the idea that he can't win. Clinton ran out of the south to win in.
Oh and the independents need to stop the bullshit of trying to stump Trump. Why do you think Ohio's numbers for Sanders-Clinton were off so much? Too many independents were more concerned with stopping Trump than picking someone they actually liked. The entire notion of picking the lesser evil in a primary is an absurd way to think about the process. At least wait until November for that.
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Mar 16, 2016 10:03:11 GMT -5
Sanders absolutely will lose NY and California. I hate to say it, but he will not win, especially with losing Ohio. I'm still going to go out and vote. I didn't register as a democrat for nothing, but it's pretty much over.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 23:59:14 GMT -5
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Post by Aphoristic on Mar 19, 2016 21:14:20 GMT -5
www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/I'm amazed this subreddit hasn't been removed for hate speech yet. The top post currently is blatant racism and it hit /r/all. You'd think reddit would care about their image enough to prevent that.
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Post by Aphoristic on Mar 20, 2016 6:09:05 GMT -5
John Oliver is a comedian. That segment was more of a joke than an actual strategy to try and stump Trump.
And saying that people physically blocking roads to prevent people from getting to a Trump rally means they are all the same group as on the sanders sub is disingenuous.
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Post by Aphoristic on Mar 20, 2016 12:16:03 GMT -5
Yes, except the donald subreddit is entirely absurd.
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Mar 20, 2016 13:25:16 GMT -5
the donald sub is just a massive meme riddled hype train and nobody on reddit realizes how self aware it is. i saw way worse stuff on s4p when sanders lost sc not that i havent seen redpill bullshit or that stupid stormfront copypasta on there a couple times but then wed also have to talk about bernie supporters blocking off highways and standing in front of ambulances. to deviate sort of, what the fuc k was up with the whole drumpf thing anyway? like i know it didnt last but how was that shit ever supposed to mean anything anyway? like his grandparents or whatever legally immigrate to the US and integrate into american culture more with their name changing (which was very common at that times but happened for a number of reasons but whatever). that sounds like something hed be extremely proud of. It was a joke. It had to do with what Trump said about Jon Stewart changing his name from Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz to Jon Stewart.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 20:11:29 GMT -5
Of course he'd take it as a compliment; trolls are renowned for keeping the wrong people away from bridges.
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Post by Slick on Mar 26, 2016 13:14:32 GMT -5
They just have to actually vote when the time comes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 17:41:01 GMT -5
right so if we still pretend superdelegates dont exist and assume that bernie has a significant advantage in the rest of the upcoming states and then also assume that that advantage isnt significantly hampered by the poor performance so far then he might have a shot
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Post by Aphoristic on Mar 26, 2016 17:47:38 GMT -5
Superdelegates aren't final. They can switch their votes at any time and they will support whomever has more pledged delegates in the end. Not doing so would lose them the general election.
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Mar 27, 2016 13:08:06 GMT -5
At the same time the whole reason superdelegates exist is so they can vote against the popular vote so. We'll see what happens
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2016 19:28:04 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 23:05:23 GMT -5
In TF2 I kritzed a heavy named President Trump down a major chokepoint. He sent the BLU team back to Mexico and made RED great again. Good times.
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