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Post by tooros on Oct 17, 2015 10:19:50 GMT -5
Considering the pre release blurb used phrases like "if you're unlucky enough not to get what you want you can buy...." and "main source will be drops....." etc.
What are people experiences of the IB?
I've (for the first time) ground my way up to level 5 and have a sum total of a Titan bathmat and a side arm. I've bought the pulse rifle at a laughable 280 attack.
It's a bloody joke.
If I'd just played pve I'd have an order of magnitude higher loot pile for the time invested.
Anyone got anything good to say about it?
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 17, 2015 11:53:01 GMT -5
I have yet to start IB but I am determined to reach rank 5 on lead character and at least rank 3 on the other 2. I will report back once I am done.
How do you like the IB PulseR? I heard that it is a beast in PvP?
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Post by tooros on Oct 17, 2015 12:02:18 GMT -5
I haven't tried it yet. Perks look good. Effectively constant radar and middle impact, ultra high stability. It come as a 280 and I have a 297 waiting for infusion but I need something between 286 (where it's at) and 297 (where it'll go). I'll be on IB later getting team mates to level 5. I'll give it a go then. Hopefully a 295 primary will come my way. I think 286 will be a big ask for a PVP player like me. I need all the help I can get. Currently using a 298 suros pdx-45
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Post by hebbnh on Oct 17, 2015 12:08:30 GMT -5
I've seen 5 drops in probably 40 games. None for me. 2 sidearms and 3 class items. Drop rates are hilariously low from everything I've seen on Reddit, pretty much the complete opposite of the way Bungie framed things when saying they wanted drops to be the primary source of IB gear.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 17, 2015 13:59:48 GMT -5
I haven't tried it yet. Perks look good. Effectively constant radar and middle impact, ultra high stability. It come as a 280 and I have a 297 waiting for infusion but I need something between 286 (where it's at) and 297 (where it'll go). I'll be on IB later getting team mates to level 5. I'll give it a go then. Hopefully a 295 primary will come my way. I think 286 will be a big ask for a PVP player like me. I need all the help I can get. Currently using a 298 suros pdx-45 Spreasheet from exxtrooper has this weapon as one of the best in terms of TTK: Crit damage = 32, Body damage = 22, RoF = 900 (360 with burst delay) 1) Crits: shots to kill = 6 / 7; busts to kill = 2 / 3, time to kill = 0.67 / 0.97; (because of 32 crit, 6 bullets to kill as long as the enemy is not full health) 2) body: shots to kill = 9; busts to kill = 3, time to kill = 1.16; Besides the all-by-itself-beast Red Death that has 34 crit damage (not to mention the exotic killer perk), this is one of the best PulseR out there. This alone is worth the IB grind IMHO.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 17, 2015 14:00:24 GMT -5
I've seen 5 drops in probably 40 games. None for me. 2 sidearms and 3 class items. Drop rates are hilariously low from everything I've seen on Reddit, pretty much the complete opposite of the way Bungie framed things when saying they wanted drops to be the primary source of IB gear. Keep in mind the random drop does not start until IB rank 2. So we should only collect data after rank 2.
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Post by tooros on Oct 17, 2015 14:04:04 GMT -5
Thanks witty. I did squeeze one quick match waiting for dinner. Stability is so amazing. It takes a little getting used to. it wasn't a good match for me but what kills I got came quickly. Regarding drops:: see above. 3 of us have gone to level 4+. Between us: 2 class items, 2 sidearms.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 17, 2015 15:29:17 GMT -5
Live blog of IB drop:
Total games played: 8 Total players: ~= 8 * 6 = 48 (can only see my team)
1) Sidearm drops observed: 2 2) PulseR drops observed: 0 2) Class item drops observed: 1 3) Armor drops observed: 0
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Post by tooros on Oct 17, 2015 16:49:00 GMT -5
Just got a 294 PR drop.
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Post by tooros on Oct 17, 2015 16:49:26 GMT -5
I'm level 5 btw.
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Post by hebbnh on Oct 17, 2015 22:10:50 GMT -5
I've seen 5 drops in probably 40 games. None for me. 2 sidearms and 3 class items. Drop rates are hilariously low from everything I've seen on Reddit, pretty much the complete opposite of the way Bungie framed things when saying they wanted drops to be the primary source of IB gear. Keep in mind the random drop does not start until IB rank 2. So we should only collect data after rank 2. Rank 2 only requires 100 rep. Everyone is rank 2 or above after a couple games at most. Reddit had the drop rate pegged at 1% yesterday, which is almost unbelievably terrible by any measurement.
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Post by markopolo on Oct 18, 2015 9:09:36 GMT -5
Played one round of IB and got that sweet emblem rhst I wanted.
With shit 280 light gear being offered, with an undesired weapon being offered, with poor drops being all I hear players are getting, I'm glad I didn'tinvest mire than that.
And before you say I hatepvp, lemme remind you because if the EL carrot last time, I got 5 out 6 EL's thst round of IB... This time wasn't worth it at all
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 18, 2015 9:32:17 GMT -5
100 rep is for rank 1. Rank 2 requires additional 1200 rep.
Regardless, from the 8 games I played, I only saw 2 weapon drops and 1 class item drop. So the drop rate appears to be no different from before.
The games are all pretty close though, so looks like the MM or at least the team assignment is improved. Only won 2 out of 8 so I am wondering whether winning is a big influencer on drops.
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Post by hebbnh on Oct 18, 2015 11:30:04 GMT -5
Yep, you're right Witty. Still the vast majority of reports from Reddit have been rank 3 or higher, so either way I think we're in agreement that drop rates aren't very good.
Marko, both weapons for sale have near-perfect rolls for PvP. Definitely worth grinding for IMO if you have any interest in PvP outside of IB, even if they're only 280 attack. That doesn't matter anyway for normal PvP, and it's not like infusing them up into the 295 range takes much effort.
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Post by tooros on Oct 18, 2015 11:53:14 GMT -5
Observation on the PR. I've come from the pdx-45 which is a lightweight, fast firing, spammy PR. Moving to the Nirwen's took a slight rethink. Treat this like a scout rifle, slow down; aim properly. It's superb. 3 crits a burst. The impact and stability are spot on.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 18, 2015 18:39:31 GMT -5
Today's live blog on IB drops:
Game 1: loss, 5 players completed the game, two legendary armor engrams; Game 2, 3: loss, 6 players no legendary+ drop Game 4: loss, 6 players, class item drop Game 5: loss, 6 players, boots Game 6: loss, 6 players, ship
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Post by bradman on Oct 18, 2015 20:15:03 GMT -5
Garbage drops, but that's par for the course for Destiny since TTK.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 19, 2015 11:11:47 GMT -5
Binged to rank 5 with a 4 hour cross daily reset push (midnight to 4am PT) last night and bought everything I can: Warlock Bond (looks sweet and useful); Warlock boots (int/did split with carrying more MG ammo perk); Sidearms and PulseR, which both killed me quite a few times in my IB run, looking forward to doing the same against other guardians in Crucible: The new Emblems;
Recoil pattern of the IB PulseR vs. Y1 top tier PulseRs: www.reddit.com/r/CruciblePlaybook/comments/3p4755/vendor_nirwens_mercy_recoil_patten_all_middle/TL:DR: buy it, it is great
Heard good things about the sidearms too, and it is eye candy (at least to me). This acquisition will finally get me to start switching to sidearms for special, feel badass when killing somebody with 1, no emote required
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Post by hebbnh on Oct 19, 2015 12:58:53 GMT -5
I finished up my IB grind at lunch. Hunter and Warlock both got to rank 5 (Hunter first, Warlock just happened to get there while I was finishing off a weekly bounties for the bonus 25 marks), Titan only went to rank 3. Got all 3 class items and both weapons. Probably going to go back and buy the Warlock boots as well since I don't have any legendary boots for him (haven't played him often since TTK released). In total, I got 2 legendary drops across 55 games -- one boot engram (which turned into an artifact, which was worthless) and one Nirwen's Mercy with a complete garbage perk roll (also worthless). LOL @ drops being the primary way to acquire IB gear, with Saladin offering stuff just in case you miss out. Yeah...nice troll move there, Bungie. If that isn't fixed for next time, IB is going to be pretty empty I'm afraid. Overall I think I saw maybe 15 IB items drop, which is just terrible compared to HoW. Yuck.
On the bright side, both weapons are really nice. Nirwen's Mercy is one of the best legendary weapons you can get for PvP right now, and the sidearm is a nice way to stuff shotgun rushers before they can get in range (slow clap or cower emote optional). Now I guess it's time to focus back on PvE for a while with hard mode coming up!
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Post by wings on Oct 19, 2015 13:10:42 GMT -5
Errr people are doing Iron Banner here? Your gear will probably be outdated by next week or when ever KF HM comes out.
Normally I'd go for the pulse rifle but the wide reports of bad loot puts me off and most of the Crucible maps in Destiny are cramped like Nuketown and Dome so Red Death's stability is rarely an issue anyway. And the importance of freeing up an exotic slot for light level enabled events is pretty negligible. For year 1 PvP, I could make a case for Patience and Time as well as Ice Breaker perhaps surprisingly. There is barely any reason to bother using an exotic secondary or heavy for year 2 light enabled PvP activities. And even then, for year 1 PvP you could use Patience and Time because Aggressive Ballistics meant you could revive-snipe, which you can no longer do so you might as well use Praedyth's Revenge and use an exotic primary. And for Ice Breaker you can use ammo regeneration whilst dead to save finding special ammo crates and swap to your legendary sniper rifle, like Her Benevolence etc.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 19, 2015 13:16:30 GMT -5
Errr people are doing Iron Banner here? Your gear will probably be outdated by next week or when ever KF HM comes out. Normally I'd go for the pulse rifle but the wide reports of bad loot puts me off and most of the Crucible maps in Destiny are cramped like Nuketown and Dome so Red Death's stability is rarely an issue anyway. And the importance of freeing up an exotic slot for light level enabled events is pretty negligible. For year 1 PvP, I could make a case for Patience and Time as well as Ice Breaker perhaps surprisingly. There is barely any reason to bother using an exotic secondary or heavy for year 2 light enabled PvP activities. And even then, for year 1 PvP you could use Patience and Time because Aggressive Ballistics meant you could revive-snipe, which you can no longer do so you might as well use Praedyth's Revenge and use an exotic primary. And for Ice Breaker you can use ammo regeneration whilst dead to save finding special ammo crates and swap to your legendary sniper rifle, like Her Benevolence etc. Weapons won't get outdated as long as you continue to infuse them. I mainly use exotics at my primary, but I would love to free the slot. Got killed plenty of times by Invective and 4th Horseman last night to the point of super annoyance, would love to try them myself. Would also love to use Truth for Trials (if I've ever found people to play together with), and exotic swords in regular crucible / IB just for the kick of it. Arc sword sniping is fun as hell. Talking about weapons: 1) for "cramped" maps I found Supercell = easy mode 2) Maps with slightly longer sightlines: Suros Regime w/"Spinning Up" = easy mode 3) for maps with a little bit longer sightlines, facing players that are not completely out of my league: Bad Juju = easy mode 4) Tlaloc for bigger maps like Widow's Court (if you are a Warlock); And most importantly: Red Death = try-hard beast mode, provided I can consistently land headshots (sometimes I just can't, not sure it is because my incompetency or lag. That's when I revert back to "easy mode" that have Full Auto). I am hoping Nirwen's Mercy is THE replacement to free up exotic slot.
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Post by wings on Oct 19, 2015 13:29:18 GMT -5
Errr people are doing Iron Banner here? Your gear will probably be outdated by next week or when ever KF HM comes out. Normally I'd go for the pulse rifle but the wide reports of bad loot puts me off and most of the Crucible maps in Destiny are cramped like Nuketown and Dome so Red Death's stability is rarely an issue anyway. And the importance of freeing up an exotic slot for light level enabled events is pretty negligible. For year 1 PvP, I could make a case for Patience and Time as well as Ice Breaker perhaps surprisingly. There is barely any reason to bother using an exotic secondary or heavy for year 2 light enabled PvP activities. And even then, for year 1 PvP you could use Patience and Time because Aggressive Ballistics meant you could revive-snipe, which you can no longer do so you might as well use Praedyth's Revenge and use an exotic primary. And for Ice Breaker you can use ammo regeneration whilst dead to save finding special ammo crates and swap to your legendary sniper rifle, like Her Benevolence etc. Weapons won't get outdated as long as you continue to infuse them. Talking about weapons: for "cramped" maps I found Supercell = easy mode. Not every weapon you can infuse. It is also relative to your purchasing power due to the associated cost of infusing too. I'd hate to be a new player. Cramped maps I just use The Last Word, smaller maps with more range I will use Thorn. Funny, seeing all the salt from Guardians over Thorn spam in Iron Banner citing "balance" when it's light enabled, cooldowns improve upon your level, fusion and sniper rifles being marginalised so people default to shotgun usage more than they otherwise would. But you can't use Thorn in Iron Banner because I assume it will take too many shots to kill someone. If Destiny had maps like Strike or Brecourt/Wasteland watch the playerbase complain it takes more than 5 seconds to find an engagement like they did with Bastion. I can't think of a single secondary or heavy exotic I would use in year 2 light enabled PvP events. Edit: Using Aggressive Ballistics has given the Red Death more recoil so your two burst kill chances are probably smaller now. It will still be handy for 6v6 but less so for 3v3.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 19, 2015 13:34:04 GMT -5
You don't really need to infuse your legendary to 300+. 295 ish is good enough for IB and ToO, and I can do that easily after a 30 minute run at the Court (of Oryx). Non primary exotic: Truth should be great for ToO, while there are a few choices for IB: Invective and 4th Horseman come to mind. Again, easy mode when lagging is a concern
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Post by wings on Oct 19, 2015 13:38:15 GMT -5
You don't really need to infuse your legendary to 300+. 295 ish is good enough for IB and ToO, and I can do that easily after a 30 minute run at the Court (of Oryx). Non primary exotic: Truth should be great for ToO, while there are a few choices for IB: Invective and 4th Horseman come to mind. Again, easy mode when lagging is a concern Truth can actually be a problem on many maps because the tracking will hit walls and if you use it in too short a range you will kill yourself. I've seen far more Exodus Plan RS/2 usage in Trials in year 1, even the Gjallarhorn is used more than Truth due to its hidden proximity detonation perk. So long as you got a good legendary shotgun, you wouldn't need the Invective or the 4th Horseman.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 19, 2015 13:48:35 GMT -5
My problem with high impact legendary shotty is that if I miss the shot I am dead, and to me that is the "norm" Last night I ran into a guy who is beast with his Conspiracy Theory on Pantheon (which is by far the map I hated the most), he is running around the map with just that and our team (of randoms) just can't stop him at all. If I have that kind of performance, I would not worry about Invective or 4th Horseman. On the other hand, there are several games that I just got murdered by the said 2 exotic shotties, mainly on map Vertigo. Because of 30 FPS and subpar network code, I just personally feel much more secure with a full auto weapon. Sometimes I thought I clearly missed the shot, but end up with a kill 1 full second later. Anyways, no PulseR can beat Red Death (at least accordingly to exxtrooper's spreadsheet). So, IB PulseR is definitely not must-have. However, there are few opportunities that a near-perfect roll is available for purchase, so still highly recommend to grind for it (should not take long today) to any bros who have interests in Crucible.
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