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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 6, 2015 13:05:15 GMT -5
ATVI divorced MSFT for PS4 hotness, and we are now the red headed step child in the CoD world. Let's talk about issues we found and how to resolve them. Let me prelude that by pointing out what are working well: 1) the network connections are quite good, did not experience any noticeable lag (except for 1 game which we were thrown into mid game and then immediately backed out) 2) thank god we never ran into the "XONE frozen" issue from beta which has pretty much scarred me for life . Problem #1: party stability(note: I am talking about the in-game party, not the XBL party. We experienced zero issues on latter, despite most of us running the preview NXOE build) Yesterday we had a 6 man party playing SnD, while we were having a lot of fun, the party integration with XONE still sucks, symptoms include: 1) players got kicked out of party all the time, mostly during intermissions (thankfully); 2) at the end of the session, we have 4 bros left who just can't group together in-game. Problem #2: bonus maps not playableSome of us can't play Nuk3town, even after trying uninstall / reinstall. Almost none of us got "The Giant" map. Is that a separate download? If yes, I don't even have it when doing "manage game". Problem #3: NAT type =/= OpenThis is probably not a XONE specific issue. I have my NAT open on XONE, and it is also open in all the other games I played. In BLOPS3 however, I started the night with Moderate, then mysteriously changed to Open later last night, and then back to Moderate again this morning. Problem #4: Arena - "Failed to host lobby"I tried to get into Arena this morning, but repeatedly getting an error message saying "Failed to host lobbies". No such problem on the Pub side. I did fix this problem by hard resetting everything: Cable Modem, Network Router, and XONE.
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Post by lackingdamage on Nov 6, 2015 13:12:01 GMT -5
ATVI divorced MSFT for PS4 hotness, and we are now the red headed step child in the CoD world. Let's talk about issues we found and how to resolve them. Let me prelude that by pointing out what are working well: 1) the network connections are quite good, did not experience any noticeable lag (except for 1 game in which we were thrown into mid game and then immediately backed out) 2) thank god we never ran into the "XONE frozen" issue which has pretty much scarred me for life . Problem #1: party stability(note: I am talking about the in-game party, not the XBL party. We experienced zero issues on latter, despite most of us running the preview NXOE build) Yesterday we had a 6 man party playing SnD, while we were having a lot of fun, the party integration with XONE still sucks, symptoms include: 1) players got kicked out of party all the time, mostly during intermission; 2) at the end of the session, we have 4 bros left who just can't group together in-game. Problem #2: bonus maps not playableSome of us can't play Nuk3town, even after trying uninstall / and reinstall. Almost none of us got "The Giant" map. Is that a separate download? If yes, I don't even have it when doing "manage game". Problem #3: NAT type =/= OpenThis is probably not a XONE specific issue. I have my NAT open on XONE, and it is also open in all the other games I played. In BLOPS3 however, I started the night with Moderate, then mysteriously changed to Open later last night, and then back to Moderate again this morning. Problem #4: Arena - "Failed to host lobby"I tried to get into Arena this morning, but repeatedly getting an error message saying "Failed to host lobbies". No such problem on the Pub side. I did fix this problem by hard resetting everything: Cable Modem, Network Router, and XONE. Party stability is something the PS4 version is suffering from at the moment.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 6, 2015 13:20:55 GMT -5
Destiny, a game launched over a year ago, demonstrated amazing party integration with both platforms. Why can't Treyarch just learn from Bungie, especially they are now cousins under one roof (ATVI)?
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 6, 2015 14:07:01 GMT -5
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 6, 2015 14:20:27 GMT -5
Any suggestions on how to change an Xbox NAT type settings?
I don't know what mine is these days, but I have no clue how to change it.
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Post by Slick on Nov 6, 2015 15:18:07 GMT -5
Any suggestions on how to change an Xbox NAT type settings? I don't know what mine is these days, but I have no clue how to change it. Enable Universal Plug and Play (UP2P) on your modem/router if you haven't done so. That is by far the easiest solution. Otherwise, you'll need to do port forwarding. That was probably because of me. I was just in a hurry to get some playtime last night so I didn't download it. I have done so now.
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Post by illram on Nov 6, 2015 15:31:33 GMT -5
What's up with some of the lettering looking like it's supposed to be viewed with 3D glasses? Like it has this red and blue hue around it. I noticed this in the PC beta too and I was able to get rid of it with the gfx settings, but obviously Xbone version doesn't have much customization available.
Anyone else notice this?
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 6, 2015 15:44:58 GMT -5
That was probably because of me. I was just in a hurry to get some playtime last night so I didn't download it. I have done so now. I am not referring to the SnD session that we were playing together. After our party disbanded, Dumien/ Pegasus Actual/I tred to play the Nuk3town playlist under "bonus", and that's when we discovered that Pegasus and I cant do it. We tried uninstall/reinstall, and still dont see the playlist showing up. ATVI acknowledged that there is indeed a problem with XONE and are working on a resolution.
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Post by GodMars on Nov 6, 2015 23:56:22 GMT -5
Problem #5: you're playing on Xbox
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 7, 2015 1:00:34 GMT -5
TL;DR: things got a lot better, most of issues resolved. Update on a few of the issues I mentiones in OP: Nuk3town map unplayable: turns out this only happened to players with NXOE preview build, and today's daily patch fixed it, which I just confirmed. This explained why Pegasus Actual and I were having problems but Dumien did not. The Giant: turns out I misunderstood its availability. I thought it is a preorder bonus, but it is actually tied to Season Pass which I did not get. Bros who bought it but did not see it yesterday is most likely due to NXONE preview build issue mentioned above as well, and therefore also resolved. NAT type not open: just checked mine and it is open again. Not sure what the deal is here, suspect it will bounce back and forth, need to spend more time on in-game network tab. Arena "failed to host lobby" issue: not happening any more. Probably just my own problem.
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Post by illram on Nov 7, 2015 4:51:47 GMT -5
The NAT type seems to me to be a little random. On a wired connection split between the PC and the Xbox, the PC has an Open NAT on COD, while the Xbox COD has a Moderate NAT. Why would that be?
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Nov 7, 2015 6:37:14 GMT -5
Problem #5: you're playing on Xbox Too true, I really wish all the X-bros were just on PS4. Life would be so much easier. Granted Titanfall justifies having gone with an Xbox One if one system is all you're getting (Halo can Foxtrot itself). It's hard for me to compare StruggleBox party problems to PS4, since my play time on PS4 has been all solo. All I can say is that yes, it is a complete disaster on Xbox so far getting people into a game. But man the graphics are just nice and clean on PS4, Xbox looks like someone smeared Vaseline all over my screen. Nuketown bonus worked fine on my PS4, though strangely the download for it was like half the size of the XBO version. Of course that part is offset by the fact that I downloaded it off the Xbox Live servers at literally 6x the throughput. I've read online that both versions suffer campaign framerate issues, and that is certainly true of the Xbox One version. It's mostly decent but when it tanks, it really tanks. It's a little crazy how poor the performance is at points. The game doesn't look any better than the AW campaign, I was legitimately impressed by how good AW looked at times whereas BO3 just kinda looks nice. Maybe I'm just more accustomed to current gen effects now. For multiplayer the exact opposite is true. Looks really good in BO3. AW had some really awful looking stuff (e.g. PS1-looking cars on the freeway above the Lagos map). Performance has been very solid so far as well. It's how multiplayer games should run. Titanfall and Battlefield granted do much larger maps, but the performance just needs to be better. I wonder how a 60fps Destiny would look on these consoles. I'm firmly of the opinion that the compromise would be totally worth it. Ping-wise Xbox One has been a bit rough, probably owing to DenBros being spread far and wide. My FFA and Nuketown matches on PS4 were all pretty clean. The NAT type seems to me to be a little random. On a wired connection split between the PC and the Xbox, the PC has an Open NAT on COD, while the Xbox COD has a Moderate NAT. Why would that be? I've noticed that Xbox One reported Open NAT, and that my PS4 reported Moderate. On my router I took a look at the UPNP ports. The Xbox One had mapped the preferred ports, I think mainly 3074->3074. PS4 mapped 3098->3074. If I delete my Xbox ports and restart PS4 Black Ops it gets 3074->3074 and reports Open NAT. Funny enough when I go back to Xbox at this point it maps 3075->3075 and also reports Open. It almost seems like they have a longstanding bug with UPNP. Like they report the internal port rather than the external port to the matchmaking servers and thus fail connection if you play COD on more than one system. Edit: deleting all my mappings and starting Xbox version than PS4 version, Xbox goes ahead and maps 3075, PS4 maps 3074, they both seem happy and report Open. Maybe the Xbox remembered that 3075 worked before and tried to map that first, or maybe the versions have different defaults... I don't know. But killing the clutter on my UPNP mapped ports seems to have made both of them happy.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 8, 2015 18:38:33 GMT -5
Checked UPNP on my router, it is doing 3074 -> 3074.
NAT type is moderate again. I have static IP, and I have also assigned a dedicated local IP address to my XONE. Could not think of much more I can do, probably will have to live with NAT = "random".
EDIT: just quit the game and restart, NAT=Open again...
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Post by Will on Nov 8, 2015 19:53:17 GMT -5
I always hated the console wars, but at this point (two years in), there is no more excuses for the Xbox One to be such an absolute hunk of shit. I don't know what the hell they changed between the 360 and 1 to make partying up with friends such a dick-ripping experience, but whatever they did, it's already too late to fix it. After this generation has lived it's life, I am going balls deep into PC gaming.
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Post by Slick on Nov 8, 2015 20:04:11 GMT -5
Trust me, bro, I already did the whole leaving the xbone being inferior thing. You'll be back for the ones left behind unless they all jump ship, which is far less likely since you're talking about a switch to PC from consoles. Furthermore, every platform is gonna have their own problems.
In the short time I've been interacting on xbone live, it's been pretty good, but matchmaking in parties has been a burden. BO3 zombies is beyond borked right now, barely functional, which is pretty sad.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 8, 2015 20:59:29 GMT -5
My two cents.
My initial observations about the game were solid.
After a weekend of playing? Here comes the negative.
1. As already been repeated ad naseum, the party system was a complete fail for me this weekend. I tried three sessions playing with other people and all three times were complete utter fails. And i don't mean like "first week issues", but complete disasters. Like get a group of five or six people together, and keep dropping people left and right, over and over for like 45 minutes straight. In fact, let me say this straight up. I never got into a game with six people this weekend. Failed every time for me (and my NAT was open all weekend). I just don't get this. Destiny played smooth as butter, in terms of grouping up people. Why are these CoD games having so much trouble?
2. The above issues have forced me to play a lot of solo this weekend. This isn't good. At least for me. I very quickly realized (and remembered) just how much of a sh1thole CoD is, in terms of the people that populate this. Just god awful people playing this game. From boosters, to snipers, to people just populating Domination and playing for the KD ratio....yeah, i know, same sh1t, different year. I shouldn't complain, but I'm going to, because there is literally no stats to play for in this game. You can't see other people's combat cards, and you can't even see their KD ratio. (can you?). So for the love of god, why worry about this? I even heard a few 'friends' complaining about 'going negative' on Friday. For the love of god, shut the fvck up you idiots. I mean that to some of my friends (who i am not going to name on here, and they aren't on this board anyways). So who cares if you go 'negative'. Go cap a fvcking flag and shut the fvck up you retard. Ugh.
3. The above was compounded by an even bigger issue. My attempts at playing solo were just terrible. This pretty much nails it down ....
Start > Game in progress (23-120), Game ends. Booted. Start. Game in Progress (34-89), game ends. New lobby. Game in progress. etc.....
I would say over half my games played this weekend, were games in progress. And look, i don't care about my stats, not one bit. But it gets old playing in other people's sh1t. I just want fun, exciting games, and good lord, i honestly couldn't find any. If it wasn't games in progress, it was being matched up against full squads, or being paired up with retards who went like 3-21, with zero caps. i do get that stuff happens, but it honestly just wasn't fun, getting stuck with very uneven gameplay.
It pains me to say the above, but that's how it went for me. I want to love this game. And i do like the actual game, in terms of how the mechanics work, how it is set up. It is so much better than AW. But the grouping/party system is a complete disaster. You can't play with your friends. So that leaves a person playing solo. And when solo, one is at the mercy of the same old pile of sh1t CoD system that just rewards incompetence and quitting, while hanging out with the world's largest collection of asshats. I hadn't played CoD in close to seven months, and this weekend was a nice reminder of why i stopped playing solo CoD. It's just not fun. And left with that, i honestly can't see myself making it even a fewweeks playing this game this way.
Off to watch the walking dead.
Oh well.
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Post by illram on Nov 8, 2015 22:26:41 GMT -5
Hasn't Internet stuff always been one of the the things 3arc has trouble with? I seem to remember every BO having net issues.
I roll solo all the time so I didn't notice any of this stuff, but I do notice that I keep getting kicked from the network when I am creating emblems or otherwise doing anything outside of a lobby which is super frustrating.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 9, 2015 1:38:41 GMT -5
I always hated the console wars, but at this point (two years in), there is no more excuses for the Xbox One to be such an absolute hunk of shit. I don't know what the hell they changed between the 360 and 1 to make partying up with friends such a dick-ripping experience, but whatever they did, it's already too late to fix it. After this generation has lived it's life, I am going balls deep into PC gaming. To be fair, I would blame a lot more on Treyarch than MSFT on the party integration issue, because: 1) Titanfall works perfectly with XONE party system even during the early adoption days. We had a Titanfall player group who played that game day on a daily basis, no party issues; 2) Destiny, another game under ATVI roof and developed by a company who is now in the hate-MSFT-love-Sony camp, integrated near perfectly with XONE party system as well, for 1+ years. Have been raiding weeks after weeks, no issues; Also, the weird thing is that during beta although we had the horrible "frozen" issue, we did not have a lot of problems with partying. That leads me to believe that the problem will be addressed in the next patch.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 9, 2015 9:32:49 GMT -5
This is definitely a Treyarch issue. It has nothing to do with XB1. Well, perhaps a better way of saying it is that 'maybe' Treyarch is having issues with the XB1, like they don't know how to work it? Who knows. But I agree with Witty in that Bungie certainly knows how to design around the XB1. I played Destiny for a year, zero issues with party/grouping up. We would sign out, switch characters, rejoin games, checkpoints, find people and everything else with pretty much zero issues, 24/7. It worked flawlessly. Treyarch? What I saw over the weekend was a travesty. It was worse than AW's grouping/party features, and that's saying a lot because AW had issues.
Maybe it is something in the CoD code? Inherent to the game engine? Something that makes CoD not work with the XB1 friend-list features?
For me, this could be a deal breaker. I just don't have the right mental capacity anymore to play a game like CoD solo anymore. For me, i need the 'Fun Moments' > 'Pain Moments'. And right now, there are a lot more of the latter. I know a lot of people play solo, but it just sucks right now. I like Domination, but unfortunately, this is a game mode one needs to play WITH friends, not solo. Playing solo, easily 1/2 of the games I start, are Games-in-Progress. These aren't fun. Join in, and immediately have UAV's up, Killstreaks in my face, the game already lost and your teammates hiding. Not uncommon to go 2-8 to start, trying to regain flags (i guess i am dumb trying to cap, but that's the point of the game mode) It's sh1t pretty much. The other 1/2? It's hit or miss. That mix includes getting dumped into quite a many games against other groups, boosters, bad teammates. I'm probably only getting 1 'clean' game out of every six attempts. When the game is fair, clean start, even teams...it's a ton of fun. Unfortunately, that one game is offset by five sh1t games right now. Pain > Fun.
I've tried TDM, but it just isn't playing real well imho. The maps feel a tad bit to big for TDM, spawns a bit wonky (what's new there) and a bit to campy. Maybe I need to give this some more time, but right now, it's just to slow for me.
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Post by Pope Leo VII on Nov 9, 2015 10:18:08 GMT -5
Every single issue plaguing both PS4 and XBOX1 were running rampant during the Beta..
Two months wasn't even close enough to fix all these problems before the game was released..
Why wouldn't you simply delay the release of the game to get all this shit in check.
Happened all the times during my PC days and playing MMORPGS... and guess what it was worth it waiting another month to play a problem free game
Despite being hardwired and having an Open NAT in game and on the xbox, pings are spiking harder then a volley ball
All I want in a game is consistency, impossible to gauge what perks and attachments are worth using when my deaths are a complete mystery
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 9, 2015 10:31:57 GMT -5
Delaying the game release was never an option for Treyarch. Zero chance of that. Activision has to much at stake, in terms of big picture corporate issues. Quarterly returns, projections, analyst calls, etc... The show must go on, ready or not. And with that, it wouldn't matter anyways. Look at how bad the beta was? Did that affect sales? I am going to guess that BO3 will ultimately outsell AW, at least initially. People were jacked off about AW. There is a lot of pent up buying demand at play here. That said, it's going to disappear quickly if people can't group up.
I did find this, in regards to sales. 360/PS3 is now officially dead. Current gen is here for CoD. And it would appear that Sony's move to exclusivity with CoD did not work so well. They got a slight lead of 51 to 48%. That's good, BUT . . . pS4 outsold XB1 5 to 3 with Destiny. 62% to 38%. Only 51% to 48% here. All that money PS spent? Did not translate to that much better sales results. Wasted money by Sony.
"As with last year's Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare, PS4 managed to secure the most amount of sales, grabbing 48% of all physical copies sold, with Xbox One behind at 43%. Xbox 360 grabbed 5% of sales, with PS3 managing just 3%. That leaves just 1% for PC. The figures mean that Sony platforms edged ahead of Xbox for what is expected to be the first time for a Call of Duty title, securing 51% of all physical sales. Xbox, meanwhile, grabbed 48%. The figures do not include copies sold digitally.They do, however, show a huge boost in the number of copies sold on current-gen platforms over Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare, which saw 67% copies sold on PS4 and Xbox One."
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 9, 2015 12:35:45 GMT -5
On a related note: As mentioned in the dedicated thread I created, BLOPS 1 is coming to XONE through backward compatibility.
It would be funny if by then the BLOPS3 integration with XONE is still shitty, while BLOPS 1 works nicely on the other hand (which I suspect it will because MSFT is most likely providing significant backings behind the effort).
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Post by illram on Nov 9, 2015 12:56:50 GMT -5
I'm crossing my fingers they patch all this nonsense out of the picture.
I'm also crossing my fingers that said patch doesn't nerf some of my favorite things, like awareness. (Sit Rep Pro without any work? Yes please.)
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 9, 2015 13:27:07 GMT -5
Out of the issues I mentioned in the OP, only the party integration one is left (judging from other bros response, I dedicated my weekend to Halo so did not play CoD at all).
After doing some cleanups using the admin tool of my router, my network conditions now look clean: NAT is open and ping is low. At least this game is now shaped to be a great solo experience. Would love it to offer great social experience as well, hopefully soon.
PvE co-op -> Destiny, Halo 5 campaign PvP solo casual -> BLOPS3 Pub, Halo 5 Warzone PvP solo try-hard -> Halo 5 Arena (BLOPS3 Arena does not look good from a population point of view, but I could be wrong) PvP social -> ? ? ? (need BLOPS3 to step up)
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 9, 2015 14:01:02 GMT -5
Out of the issues I mentioned in the OP, only the party integration one is left (judging from other bros response, I dedicated my weekend to Halo so did not play CoD at all). After doing some cleanups using the admin tool of my router, my network conditions now look clean: NAT is open and ping is low. At least this game is now shaped to be a great solo experience. Would love it to offer great social experience as well, hopefully soon. PvE co-op -> Destiny, Halo 5 campaign PvP solo casual -> BLOPS3 Pub, Halo 5 Warzone PvP solo try-hard -> Halo 5 Arena (BLOPS3 Arena does not look good from a population point of view, but I could be wrong) PvP social -> ? ? ? (need BLOPS3 to step up) The problem is Witty, it's NOT a good solo experience. Unless you are the type of person who enjoys having your skin peeled off layer by layer for fun. Seriously, joking aside, this game isn't fun right now solo either. The drop out, sign outs that occur, force lobby reshuffling almost every game or every other game. So this by default, (at least what I have seen), forces a person into a lot of Games in Progress. It's just not fun, starting a game out with UAV's all over the air, and your side down by 100. Some people might enjoy the above? Might even find it challenging? I personally don't. What's frustrating for me right now is that when the game works, it is fun. I'm hanging in there and surprisingly, not doing to bad. I have like a 1.20 KD so far, about a 1.05 in Dom, and a 1.60 in TDM. So after taking forever off, I've done ok over the first six hours of my play. My WL ratio is shot to hell though, around a 0.80 or so. Tons of solo losses, game after game after. But....You can see that this game has so much more potential than Advanced Warfar. It's there. But Treyarch has to get this shit in line.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 9, 2015 14:06:31 GMT -5
Regarding solo: 1) Have any bros tried Arena? That is where I was planning to spend most of my solo time, because 1) rankings, 2) SBMM, 3) win/loss > K/D, 4) all choices unlocked, 5) no join-in-progress (?), 6) at least at my skill level, I don't expect to run into organized teams (a level playing field of randoms vs. randoms); However, I am pretty worried that the population is going to be extremely low... 2) "Core" game mode wise: a) FFA is a decent choice, as pointed out by Pegasus Actual; b) Kill Confirmed (> TDM at least); c) Safeguard can be fun once in a while; d) SnD can be quite fun if you are into elimination kind of experience (I used to hate it, but now grows on me as more and more games doing this, Destiny - Trials of Osiris, Halo 5 - Breakout), because you can still beast your team to victory despite shitty teammates; Sadly, DOM is not a good choice.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 9, 2015 14:12:57 GMT -5
Sadly, Dom is where I have been spending 2/3rds of my time. That and TDM.
I have yet to really play with people Witty. I grouped up with Malgato, Pegasus and a few others the first night, but it was mostly three hours of frustration, and maybe two games played? Yes, that bad. A one point we spent like an hour trying to get the party of six together, and didn't play a single game.
I grouped up with LegitChaos the other day, the two of us. That went well. We probably went 8-2 in terms of games played and I had a lot of great games. That was fun.
Other than the above, everything else has been solo. It seems like people are a little burned after the first few days, and not wanting to group up. So a lot of people are just going at it solo. At least get in some games played.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 9, 2015 14:14:49 GMT -5
Sadly, Dom is where I have been spending 2/3rds of my time. That and TDM. I have yet to really play with people Witty. I grouped up with Malgato, Pegasus and a few others the first night, but it was mostly three hours of frustration, and maybe two games played? Yes, that bad. A one point we spent like an hour trying to get the party of six together, and didn't play a single game. I grouped up with LegitChaos the other day, the two of us. That went well. We probably went 8-2 in terms of games played and I had a lot of great games. That was fun. Other than the above, everything else has been solo. It seems like people are a little burned after the first few days, and not wanting to group up. So a lot of people are just going at it solo. At least get in some games played. Maybe for now we just do small teams, like < 4. We don't need 6 man team to win DOM, especially when randoms we face are more interested in ranking-up / unlocking-camo / sniping-montage than winning
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 9, 2015 14:16:36 GMT -5
well, yeah. Legit and I did very well as I said above. We kicked some butt!
Two or three is all you need for Dom, just get that one second person on the flag. Ten seconds, to five seconds on it... makes all the difference in the world.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 9, 2015 14:20:10 GMT -5
With a widespread problem like this, I expect Treyarch to address it on the first wave of patching. The game is only out for 3 days, it is already in a pretty good shape than I expected. Admittedly, my expectations are not high, almost decided to wait until the end of the month to pick up the game. But still, the game is pretty solid as it stands right now.
BTW, played campaign a little bit this morning, not bad. "Realistic" is crazy though, brought back horrible memories of dealing with OSK sniper in Halo 2. Strongly recommend against playing at that difficulty until you have gone through the level at least once on lower difficulty.
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