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Post by tyrant on Nov 15, 2015 12:26:10 GMT -5
I keep seeing stats about the x hit kill range of weapons without a barrel attachment, with a suppressor or with a long barrel but I haven't seen any stats about the x hit kill range of weapons with suppressor and long barrel.
If there is any stats, please redirect me to them. If not, I am willing to find the stats and post the results here.
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Nov 15, 2015 12:35:32 GMT -5
I need some verification on this as well, but do shotguns benefit from Long Barrel at all? Patch might've done something.
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Post by banana on Nov 15, 2015 13:23:13 GMT -5
Suppressor doesn't affect the Locus
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Post by imrlybord7 on Nov 15, 2015 15:10:54 GMT -5
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Post by tyrant on Nov 15, 2015 15:12:15 GMT -5
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Nov 15, 2015 16:50:24 GMT -5
Suppressor doesn't affect the Locus Not even increased recoil like they did with suppressor on the SVU in BO2?
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Post by imrlybord7 on Nov 15, 2015 17:01:59 GMT -5
The Locus is bolt action.
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Nov 15, 2015 17:07:58 GMT -5
The Locus is bolt action. True, I must've got it mixed up with the drakon. In that case, does it increase sway at all to put a suppressor on the Locus?
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Post by banana on Nov 15, 2015 17:37:56 GMT -5
I haven't tested that but if it did, it isn't noticeable.
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Post by jakey on Dec 2, 2015 8:25:22 GMT -5
watched drift0rs vid on this, is he correct with ar's ? how can the +100% of lb and -75% of suppressor = -50%. maybe im just crap at maths lol
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Post by qupie on Dec 2, 2015 8:40:27 GMT -5
range * 2.0 * 0.25 = range * 0.5.
--> + 50% == - 50%
Disclaimer: I have no clue whether these numbers are true!! but the calculation seems to be correct.
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Post by jakey on Dec 2, 2015 9:16:40 GMT -5
but wouldnt it do both sums first ? so +100 add -75 =+25% then add that to the gun ?
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Post by qupie on Dec 2, 2015 9:44:49 GMT -5
nope
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Post by banana on Dec 2, 2015 11:15:40 GMT -5
I need some verification on this as well, but do shotguns benefit from Long Barrel at all? Patch might've done something. On SMGs and Shotguns it doesn't affect the max damage range aka the important one
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Post by lustindarkness on Dec 2, 2015 12:03:40 GMT -5
I would also like to see exact numbers, but based on feel I have tried a few SMGs and ARs with silencer only, long barrel only, and with both. On SMGs I will not waste my time again with Long Barrel, but may deal with the shorter range with the silencer for a sneaky flanking in your face class in some objective modes.
On AR's I will test some more, but using both attachments it worked good enough. Just last night I had some real good games with the HVK+QD+LB+S, Ghost, Scavenger, Blast Suppressor, and Dead Silence. All I did was flank around the edges of the maps, blast suppressor helped with this a lot.
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Post by lllRL on Dec 2, 2015 16:21:09 GMT -5
On SMGs I will not waste my time again with Long Barrel, but may deal with the shorter range with the silencer for a sneaky flanking in your face class in some objective modes. I find it works well on the VMP thanks to the already low range (6hk at 28m and beyond) and fast fire rate. You might find some joy with that.
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Dec 3, 2015 13:22:18 GMT -5
So what are the numbers on how suppressor affects shotguns? The way it affects the Argus has me baffled.
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Dec 3, 2015 13:27:15 GMT -5
So how does it affect the Argus?
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Dec 3, 2015 13:30:31 GMT -5
So how does it affect the Argus? It reduces its hitmarker range a little and drastically reduces its 1HK ads range. I just checked Void's spreadsheet and apparently on the Argus is reduces all ranges by 30% and on all shotguns reduces damage by 10%, which would explain how it affects the Argus.
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Post by confuzzled on Dec 3, 2015 22:52:04 GMT -5
When playing core SND I'm running both on an HVK. Seems to offset (anecdotal evidence) but I have no data to back that up....have no issues killing people. Most kills are close and I'm sound whoring most of them so I usually have the jump on them ... (Core people don't seem to find DS useful)
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Post by youngstuna on Dec 8, 2015 16:34:27 GMT -5
I think it's pretty ridiculous how heavy they decided to nerf the suppessor in this game for any non-SMG. The only gun I find the suppressor remotely useful with the suppressor is the Vesper, and that's because it already has awful range and the RoF is so insane.
When I unlock Long Barrel, I will use that and suppressor on the HVK and see how that works. I'll probably throw down quickdraw as well and call it a day. The full auto ARs and LMGs lag way behind the burst-fire guns IMO so playing stealthy is the only way to balance it out.
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Post by JustABitAgroed on Dec 8, 2015 17:27:14 GMT -5
I think it's pretty ridiculous how heavy they decided to nerf the suppessor in this game for any non-SMG. The only gun I find the suppressor remotely useful with the suppressor is the Vesper, and that's because it already has awful range and the RoF is so insane. When I unlock Long Barrel, I will use that and suppressor on the HVK and see how that works. I'll probably throw down quickdraw as well and call it a day. The full auto ARs and LMGs lag way behind the burst-fire guns IMO so playing stealthy is the only way to balance it out. It's still very good on the KN which is why it remains my favourite automatic AR.
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Post by youngstuna on Dec 8, 2015 18:01:42 GMT -5
I think it's pretty ridiculous how heavy they decided to nerf the suppessor in this game for any non-SMG. The only gun I find the suppressor remotely useful with the suppressor is the Vesper, and that's because it already has awful range and the RoF is so insane. When I unlock Long Barrel, I will use that and suppressor on the HVK and see how that works. I'll probably throw down quickdraw as well and call it a day. The full auto ARs and LMGs lag way behind the burst-fire guns IMO so playing stealthy is the only way to balance it out. It's still very good on the KN which is why it remains my favourite automatic AR. I have to disagree there. The KN is my favorite full auto AR, but it has a lot of drawbacks unfortunately. Once you get into the 4 shot range for the KN, it's pretty much outclassed by every other AR and every SMG. It's only redeeming quality is it's 3 shot kill potential, which the suppressor effectively kills. It's shoots slow and the recoil is anything but precise which worsens TTK. I personally believe the gun needs a buff of some sort. Either higher ROF, more range, or better recoil. Suppressor should be a 40-50% range penalty or something, 75%+ is absolutely ridiculous.
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Post by JustABitAgroed on Dec 13, 2015 16:39:11 GMT -5
It's still very good on the KN which is why it remains my favourite automatic AR. I have to disagree there. The KN is my favorite full auto AR, but it has a lot of drawbacks unfortunately. Once you get into the 4 shot range for the KN, it's pretty much outclassed by every other AR and every SMG. It's only redeeming quality is it's 3 shot kill potential, which the suppressor effectively kills. It's shoots slow and the recoil is anything but precise which worsens TTK. I personally believe the gun needs a buff of some sort. Either higher ROF, more range, or better recoil. Suppressor should be a 40-50% range penalty or something, 75%+ is absolutely ridiculous. On the KN it's was only a 40% penalty. Post-patch it's only 16% if it wasn't excluded from the Silencer buff. That's basically no detriment.
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Dec 13, 2015 16:49:03 GMT -5
I have to disagree there. The KN is my favorite full auto AR, but it has a lot of drawbacks unfortunately. Once you get into the 4 shot range for the KN, it's pretty much outclassed by every other AR and every SMG. It's only redeeming quality is it's 3 shot kill potential, which the suppressor effectively kills. It's shoots slow and the recoil is anything but precise which worsens TTK. I personally believe the gun needs a buff of some sort. Either higher ROF, more range, or better recoil. Suppressor should be a 40-50% range penalty or something, 75%+ is absolutely ridiculous. On the KN it's was only a 40% penalty. Post-patch it's only 16% if it wasn't excluded from the Silencer buff. That's basically no detriment. Fairly certain the KN-44 now gets a -30% penalty with suppressor. Also, it was supposed to be buffed in this recent hotfix by improved accuracy.
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Post by Gamma on Dec 18, 2015 14:30:37 GMT -5
What do you reckon is the most effective SMG silenced?
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Dec 18, 2015 15:46:19 GMT -5
What do you reckon is the most effective SMG silenced? Razorback. It still has a 4HK range of 770 units and its 5HK range is still 2100 units (which is farther than any engagement you are going to find in BO3). That 5HK range is also why long barrel is completely useless on the Razorback. Long barrel on the Razorback would be much more useful if it just increased the 4HK range by 20% instead of just the 5HK range. And honestly there was no need to make the Razorback only get 30% range reduction with the silencer, with the new ranges it has 40% would have worked fine.
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Post by Lexapro on Dec 18, 2015 17:00:07 GMT -5
Suppressed Razorback + Stock + Ghost is a match made in heaven. BAE
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Post by Gamma on Dec 18, 2015 17:12:36 GMT -5
I may just try the Razorback in that case, for my sneaky-sneaky class
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Post by JustABitAgroed on Dec 18, 2015 23:16:11 GMT -5
What do you reckon is the most effective SMG silenced? It's good on the Vesper, VMP, and maybe the Razorback if you keep it close range. I wouldn't use it on much else. The others take too big of a detriment from it.
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