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Post by mattwolf on Nov 15, 2015 21:24:12 GMT -5
I wanted to try and get a discussion going about PC guns. The recoil is a bit different for PC.
So I am working on figuring out the 1 best SMG and AR in terms of low TTK without insane recoil (ideally with the least amount of attachments used).
So far, the small VMP nerf seemed to do something as I notice it not killing as fast as before.
Vesper shoots a lot faster (great for CQB) but runs out of ammo. I have been running fast mags (no idea the total bullet count you'd gain for extended). The recoil doesn't seem to be as big of an issue due to the way it shoots like 7-9 bullets in a grouping as it kicks with recoil.
If VMP didn't really get nerfed and it's just my imagination I feel like that would be the most likely best SMG since it has a 40 round mag, doesn't shoot as fast as Vesper so you don't waste a clip into 1-2 people and have none left for more kills.
AR's are kinda all over the place. Obviously the burst rifles are among the best in terms of good 3-4 hit kill ranges and recoil. This then leads to hoping for lucky hipfire at close range with the bursts.
The HVK seemed statistically that it'd be ok, but takes too many bullets to kill even with it's speed.
Man-O-War has some annoying recoil pattern for any medium- long distance kills (even with a grip).
KN-44 is ok.
I haven't had much experience with the Razorback. No idea how it compares to the Kuda in terms of recoil/ TTK.
Just looking for other PC players inputs as to AR/ SMG use.
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Post by banana on Nov 15, 2015 21:29:37 GMT -5
Best SMGs pre-patch: Pharo and VMP Post-patch: Vesper w/ extended mags if the nerfs to the above 2 were big which from my playtesting, they aren't
Best ARs pre-patch: XR-2, M8a7, MoW Best Ars post-patch: M8a7, MoW (Haven't tried the Xr-2 which was nerfed, haven't tried the HVK which was buffed)
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Post by mattwolf on Nov 15, 2015 22:55:37 GMT -5
Also, I am curious have any of the optics change recoil patterns? I try not to use any optics so I have more pick 10 slots.
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Post by jaysawn on Nov 16, 2015 1:54:51 GMT -5
Optics may change visual recoil but have no affect on actual recoil. To answer your question about the razerback, it has next to no recoil but its ttk is very slow so there are much better options for every situation.
Just like banana said, despite the apparent nerf to the VMP and Pharo a few days ago (which I believe were only range dropoffs), those 3 are statistically the best ttk, so choosing b/t them just comes down to feel and preference. Personally I'm more of a fan of the Kuda as it isn't much worse at short range, has more range than any of the others, and has the most manageable recoil imo.
I agree with your opinion on the ARs. The short range ttk on the KN is underrated at it's short range cuttoff but it gets outclassed at long range too much. The burst rifles for me have definitely been the way to go when I want to use ARs. I've found as have others on here that the 48 Dredge lmg is really the way to go. Since you dont have the move speed downside in b03 with lmgs and you have access to quickdraw and fast/extended mags, a lot of the lmg downsides are negated. To combat the issue you are having w/ short range burst weapons, try either using the laser sight attachment and treating it like a shotgun at close range or wait till you unlock the lcar9 and run that with fast hands.
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