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Post by iw5000 on Feb 4, 2016 9:59:22 GMT -5
Last night, decided to play some CoD. I had an hour or so, wanted to squeeze in some games. Had to go solo, because all my other friends ignored my invites. So I managed to pull my shit together nonetheless, and grind on. The pic below is how my first game of the night went. A great game in progress to join, in which my side is getting shit on royally! From what it appears, four of us got joined into the mess, hooking up with some 'pros' who were like a combined 21-64 at game end. Yeah, and those two were the people still playing when I joined. I can only imagine how bad the four other original quitters were doing. Yeah, so I finished that game. Then I backed out (why play against a full party). So I find a new game, can't get any worse, can it? Oh yes it can. This is CoD. See below, another Game in Progress. On the positive side of things, I got to shoot down like six or seven UAV's in the few minutes I was in the game. Also got to be second highest scorer on my team, in that minute or so I was involved. Yay me!!! I had to pat myself on the back there, as my score was higher than 'Da Boss' (ie, 'Da Boss KTM85, not to be confused with the hundreds of other 'Da Boss's) I also wonder if the other top scorers bragged post game, after beating what appeared to be three deaf, dumb and blind retarded kids on my side? Did they? Yeah, probably. It's CoD. That's how nerds roll. Can I have that 15 minutes of my life back?
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Post by flatulentmonkeys on Feb 4, 2016 10:48:46 GMT -5
My 6 year old has graduated from playing against bots to actually playing multiplayer... he's never had a game with 0 kills. Ever. He's 6. Because of this, I don't get upset at people for playing poorly. But sometimes I wonder... who are you? How does 0-32 happen?
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Post by iw5000 on Feb 4, 2016 10:56:46 GMT -5
My 6 year old has graduated from playing against bots to actually playing multiplayer... he's never had a game with 0 kills. Ever. He's 6. Because of this, I don't get upset at people for playing poorly. But sometimes I wonder... who are you? How does 0-32 happen? Yeah, and how about pairing that 0-32 score, ...with 0-27 and 1-10. Those three went a combined 1-70. Judging by their emblems, it appears as if they just started playing the game last night. Which kind of sucks. Why is BO3 matchmaking these three completely new players up against a full party of six people? Any case for SBMM kind of looks bad, using this example. I do honestly think that in a 10 minute game, if I shut my eyes, even turned down the volume, I could still get a few kills in this game. Upon respawn, just tossing some grenades with random firing. Surely that will get me a few kills every game.
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Post by flatulentmonkeys on Feb 4, 2016 12:00:27 GMT -5
I have no doubt you'd luck into a few kills doing that.
As for SBMM, I'm actually in favor of it. Destiny has it (or used to until everyone cried about it) and it allowed my aforementioned 6 year old to play PvP with people as awful as he is/was.
Those 3 players going 1-70 (LOL) could have played against others their own level and all enjoyed healthy competition, if that's what we wanna call it.
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Post by iw5000 on Feb 4, 2016 14:38:14 GMT -5
Well, I can vouch that those three players who went a combined 1-70, they weren't blind. I did see them moving around the map in the minute or so I was in the game. So they at least knew how to work the movement stick. Trigger button? Not so sure.
I think it took me until my 7th attempt at finding a game, to get into a clean lobby. Unfortunately, I had pretty much run out of time at that point, and signed off not long after. It wasn't a very good night for gaming.
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Post by flatulentmonkeys on Feb 4, 2016 15:31:19 GMT -5
Sounds like you need to expand your friends list.
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Post by banana on Feb 4, 2016 16:37:10 GMT -5
sbmm is dope
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Post by Slick on Feb 4, 2016 17:20:54 GMT -5
A great game in progress to join, in which my side is getting shit on royally! From what it appears, four of us got joined into the mess, hooking up with some 'pros' who were like a combined 21-64 at game end. Yeah, and those two were the people still playing when I joined. I can only imagine how bad the four other original quitters were doing. Yeah, so I finished that game. Then I backed out (why play against a full party). So I find a new game, can't get any worse, can it? Wait, I thought all stats were fake, as said as much by your own words. I thought you liked the barnburner gameplay. What better way to burn your barn and house down ( not caring about the fake stats you talk about so much) than by taking it to the smart players? =) Sorry, but... The above huge influx of new people only further adds to this problem. Really now, why brag about beating down an opponent that has five people who just bought the game? Who can't even hear you, while you stomp them with DS/Awareness? Why talk shit? It's like beating down a retard. But that's what CoD players do. CoD is the only game in the world where players don't care about actually trying to get good...they only care about APPEARING to be good, via fake stats. Yeah, I've ranted about this before, so same story, different year. But it is true. Every other real game/sport I have played/competed in, you actually seek out good people, to practice/compete with, because that's how you get better. CoD? Ok, it IS a video game (so not apples to apples) but still. It's the opposite. Almost everyone seeks out the above shitty people, to avoid meaningful competition, ...so they can puff up a stat no one can see, and create a false sense of skill with themselves. Welcome to CoD. Some things never change. Happy new year and hopefully 2016 is a good year for everyone. So let us be honest, you can talk about not caring about stats in Call of Duty, specifically KD ratio, but that simply isn't true, because you use it as a measure of success when you do well. I think my FFA record is currently like 80-2 or something like that, and I had like a 5.0+ KD this last week for this mode. Just stupid easy playing. So that's the good news. But why is it bad? It's not bad at all. With no measure of skill or accomplishment, there's little incentive to play. Embrace the fact you care, stop lying to yourself. Enjoy beating the scrubs, and enjoy winning the barnburners when they happen. Can I have that 15 minutes of my life back?
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Post by iw5000 on Feb 5, 2016 5:43:54 GMT -5
Sounds like you need to expand your friends list. maybe lol, but it was mostly there were three groups playing, and everyone was full/partied up.
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Post by iw5000 on Feb 5, 2016 6:00:05 GMT -5
A great game in progress to join, in which my side is getting shit on royally! From what it appears, four of us got joined into the mess, hooking up with some 'pros' who were like a combined 21-64 at game end. Yeah, and those two were the people still playing when I joined. I can only imagine how bad the four other original quitters were doing. Yeah, so I finished that game. Then I backed out (why play against a full party). So I find a new game, can't get any worse, can it? Wait, I thought all stats were fake, as said as much by your own words. I thought you liked the barnburner gameplay. What better way to burn your barn and house down ( not caring about the fake stats you talk about so much) than by taking it to the smart players? =) Sorry, but... While i do appreciate your effort in going for some big 'gotcha moment' there slick, i think you are going to have to wait for another day to prove whatever point you were trying to make there. I don't really give a shit about my stats in BO3. And that is 100% true. No one can see them, so who gives a shit? And I do like competitive fun games. That is true too. And to answer your question up there, i DID try to take out those players when i kept joining those games in progress. I played like seven GiPs in a row. I posted two screen shots. I FINISHED the games and tried. But what can one do? Did you not read what i wrote before, about shooting down like six or seven UAV's? Is that not a person trying? As it was, I made the best of it, gave the old best shot, laughed about how bad my teammates were and then moved on to the next one. If your point is that i should have stayed in that above lobby, with three teammates who went 1-70, against a full party.....well, why should I? Like i said, i like fun & competitive games. There was really nothing competitive about playing a group of six, while i had three teammates who were probably going to go 1-70 again. Tried once, got smashed, time to move to the next one. Regarding your other gotcha moment where you said i do fuss over my KD....i don't. At all. Anyone who knows me well knows that to be how it is. I know you care about it quite a bit, but i don't. And you quoting me talking about my FFA record, you have that out of context. It wasn't talking about how good i am, but more so how easy that game mode had been with the recent influx of new players. I typically don't spend a lot of time playing FFA and typically don't do real well at it, like in terms of destroying everyone. Just not something i'm typically good at it. I started playing it a while back and was surprised to see myself doing well. Almost to well, compared to prior CoD's.
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Post by iw5000 on Feb 5, 2016 6:14:44 GMT -5
It's not bad at all. With no measure of skill or accomplishment, there's little incentive to play. Embrace the fact you care, stop lying to yourself. Enjoy beating the scrubs, and enjoy winning the barnburners when they happen. I'll respectively disagree and don't really appreciate being called a liar. You haven't a clue of why i play. And i'm not sure why you would be so presumptuous to assume you do know me. You don't need measure of skills like WL and KD to have a reason to play. Not saying those aren't valid reasons, and not saying i haven't had fun fussing over them in the past . . . but with this CoD, i have found myself not giving a shit. Why should I? No one can see my stats. There is no combat card to really obsess over. And the leaderboard stat options suck, being terribly limited. A better question to ask, is the why fvck does anyone care about stats in BO3? Imho, it's pointless. To answer your other point, what then is the incentive to play if you aren't using KD? The game is fun to play? It's a breath of fresh air after enduring Advanced Warfare? It's fun to play barnburners? Last, especially with me, I'm having a ton of fun doing camo challenges. That's something i typically never get into, but this time i'm having fun with it, grinding away at each one. Like i said in the prior post, if you are itching for some gotcha issue with me, . . . i think you are going to have to search a bit harder.
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Post by Lexapro on Feb 5, 2016 9:33:39 GMT -5
Actually, I think the latest patch added the ability the view combat records of players in a lobby. PS4 only so far though.
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Post by flatulentmonkeys on Feb 5, 2016 9:47:41 GMT -5
Actually, I think the latest patch added the ability the view combat records of players in a lobby. PS4 only so far though. Yup, it did. Still irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. KD is so misleading anyway. Playstyle means much more to me. The 3KD guy that lobby shops and stomps noob lobby's in order to make YouTube vids, is not always better than the 1.5 KD guy that uses every gun, has dark matter, and plays pubs for fun.
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Post by banana on Feb 5, 2016 9:59:04 GMT -5
I want to know the average KD of every gun in the game and the average kills with a specialist ability and weapon. So basically a average combat record.
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Post by dm on Feb 5, 2016 10:52:57 GMT -5
I'm not sure how useful those stats would be if you consider everyone, as surely bar misadventure deaths the total of k/d should be 1?
As to which subset of the data to consider, I don't know, top 25% by K/D or by score/min or only count k/d of 1000 kills with a gun or more? and say 100 kills with a specialist ability?
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Post by iw5000 on Feb 5, 2016 11:11:22 GMT -5
Actually, I think the latest patch added the ability the view combat records of players in a lobby. PS4 only so far though. I used to like this, but now I think it's dumb. Having visible combat cards up where everyone can see each other . . . only leads to two things. 1) A segment of the player population that will now fuss over this even more, trying by whatever means possible to boost this KD stat. So that means more quitting, more pre-lobby screening, and MUCH more douche'ish behavior in objective games. 2) Another segment that is now going to leave lobbies early, avoiding above said players who boost their KD's. Leading to yet more lobby reshuffling. I already see this bullshit now when I play grouped up, especially ground war. We'll get a group of 8 or 9 together, after waaay to much time getting people into the group. Like way to much time. Then we finally get going, get a lobby, ...and people start complaining because it's TDM or Safeguard. Then the host backs out. Then repeat again. Then we drop someone. Have to restart the whole process. There's been nights playing ground war where i'll only average like 2 or 3 games per hour. It's stupid. Why? Because people I play with don't want their stupid fucking KD or SpM stat to drop, playing TDM or SG. So we sit and lobby shop for Dom games. 100% grade A idiocy.
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Post by kylet357 on Feb 5, 2016 13:05:15 GMT -5
This just goes to show that sbmm is not a valid excuse for people that are having connection problems because "the game tries to match them up with equal players before taking connection into account". Even though all the devs have said for the longest time that it's the complete opposite. I honestly don't know how shit like this can even happen. Parties of people vs solo players shouldn't even be a thing in the first place. In Smite's matchmaking, when you're in a party you'll get matched up against an equally sized party 99% of the time. By yourself? Everyone on each team is going to be completely random players. Playing with one friend? You'll have a party of two people on the other team as well. And so on, and so forth. I don't see how Call of Duty is incapable of doing this.
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Post by iw5000 on Feb 5, 2016 14:49:07 GMT -5
This just goes to show that sbmm is not a valid excuse for people that are having connection problems because "the game tries to match them up with equal players before taking connection into account". Even though all the devs have said for the longest time that it's the complete opposite. I honestly don't know how shit like this can even happen. Parties of people vs solo players shouldn't even be a thing in the first place. In Smite's matchmaking, when you're in a party you'll get matched up against an equally sized party 99% of the time. By yourself? Everyone on each team is going to be completely random players. Playing with one friend? You'll have a party of two people on the other team as well. And so on, and so forth. I don't see how Call of Duty is incapable of doing this. CoD can't do what you ask. It's to late. Blame it on the 'culture of CoD', for the lack of a better phrase. The culture of CoD is to find, by however means possible, the easiest opponents you can find, and then smash them down by whatever advantages you can get (full parties vs randoms, XIM's, whatever it takes)* Do so in a manner that ALSO ensures you play to keep your KD ratio as high as possible, as that is CoD's default measure of greatness. And again, keeping that stat as high as possible, by playing shitty people AND doing so by all available tricks and techniques. Sandbag your matchmaking, play off objectives, dash to eliminate bag games, quit bad games early, lobby shop, etc... You make people play similar skilled opponents, ....CoD ceases to exist in less than 60 days. That's how fast it would be become a ghosttown. * and note, to some degree, I don't necessarily blame players that much for wanting this....because IF you want all the good stuff in the game (killstreaks, kills, faster leveling, better camos, etc..), it sure helps to play shittier people.
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Post by illram on Feb 5, 2016 15:49:46 GMT -5
I like combat records as I like to look at the occasional record of the occasional very good player that I come across. My definition of a very good player is someone with both a good K/D AND (AND AND AND AND) who plays the objective well. That player is rare.
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Post by y260 on Feb 5, 2016 19:08:23 GMT -5
I'm pretty much always playing alone because I prefer it that way ( it makes it easier to produce videos, etc.) Overall, the team balancing system seems incompetent in some ways, but it is literally broken in other ways. The other day, I had a game of 5 vs 9 ground war safeguard the entire match...THE ENTIRE MATCH. How does this happen? Forget anything else about the SBMM algorithm, teams should have equal players first.
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Post by iw5000 on Feb 5, 2016 21:54:23 GMT -5
I have seen that a lot too. Probably more than any other CoD game. I wonder why.
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Post by flatulentmonkeys on Feb 6, 2016 10:32:34 GMT -5
I love joining game in progress to see that I joined the team with more players. So it was 5v4, I join, and now its 6v4. I don't get it. And this isn't a once off thing; when doing my launcher challenges I lobby shopped like crazy to find games where the team i joined was getting destroyed. More often I was joining the winning team. So strange.
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