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Post by probaddie on Apr 21, 2016 22:10:07 GMT -5
The patch notes released this week indicate that several optical attachments now confer a reduction in recoil to the receiving weapon. Marvel4's spreadsheet is being updated with the cooresponding weapon statistics as I write. However, he has also discovered that the way in which this benefit is produced conflicts with the Grip. In short: whenever two attachments that modify adsRecoilReductionLimit are applied to the same weapon, the attachment with the higher alphabetical order takes precedent. In this context, "higher alphabetical order" is with respect to the ATTACHMENTFILE name, not the display name. For example, the ELO does precede the Grip in alphabetical order, as its ATTACHMENTFILE name is "reddot". For example, if the Grip (grip) and Recon Sight (acog) are applied to the same weapon, the weapon will only receive a 7.5% reduction in ViewKick after the first shot, as "grip" precedes "acog" alphabetically. However, if the Thermal Sight (ir) is attached instead, the gun will receive a 15% reduction in ViewKick after the first shot, as "ir" precedes "grip" alphabetically. Note that this renders the Grip effectively useless whenever it is used in tandem with the Thermal Sight, and that any changes to the CenterSpeed of these optics still take effect as intended. To summarize, equipping the Varix 3, RECON or Thermal Sight with a Grip renders the Grip useless. With the first two, you lose the updated benefit to recoil reduction; with the Thermal Sight, the Grip simply has no effect. |
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Post by therealcoolj on Apr 22, 2016 14:15:34 GMT -5
How then does it work with the BOA? Grip BOA pointless?
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Post by therealcoolj on Apr 22, 2016 14:33:03 GMT -5
Never mind. I see now that BOA only gets center speed.
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Post by haoz on Apr 22, 2016 18:31:24 GMT -5
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Post by KenDirson on Apr 23, 2016 1:09:48 GMT -5
Never mind. I see now that BOA only gets center speed. Hmm, looks like unzoomed Varix is the king of sights now effect-wise, haven't tried it yet though Edit: holy fuck Varix is absolutely bonkers |
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Post by banana on Apr 23, 2016 9:36:17 GMT -5
Never mind. I see now that BOA only gets center speed. Hmm, looks like unzoomed Varix is the king of sights now effect-wise, haven't tried it yet though Edit: holy Foxtrot Varix is absolutely bonkers still worse than grip |
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Post by JustABitAgroed on Apr 23, 2016 11:14:59 GMT -5
A proof of concept if anyone wants to see it:
It's pretty ridiculous.
(Footage is from the XBone (inferior pleb box))
Edit: Just realized I put several fewer mags through it with the Varix. Sorry about that.
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Post by primey on Apr 24, 2016 9:06:07 GMT -5
A proof of concept if anyone wants to see it: It's pretty ridiculous. (Footage is from the XBone (inferior pleb box)) Edit: Just realized I put several fewer mags through it with the Varix. Sorry about that. I'm confused. Aren't we discussing a sight + grip vs sight only. Your video just shows a comparison between a gun with the sight and a gun with just grip I did a test with the KN 44 + Recon + grip vs KN 44 + Recon Recon + GripRecon + GripRecon onlyRecon only |
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Post by haoz on Apr 24, 2016 15:36:46 GMT -5
A proof of concept if anyone wants to see it: It's pretty ridiculous. (Footage is from the XBone (inferior pleb box)) Edit: Just realized I put several fewer mags through it with the Varix. Sorry about that. I'm confused. Aren't we discussing a sight + grip vs sight only. Your video just shows a comparison between a gun with the sight and a gun with just grip I did a test with the KN 44 + Recon + grip vs KN 44 + Recon Recon + GripRecon + GripRecon onlyRecon onlyRecon --> acog Varix 3 --> dualoptic Grip --> grip The first two reduce maximum viewkick magnitude by 15%. Grip is only 7.5%. Because g > a and g > d, attaching Grip overrides Recon or Varix 3. If you want the least recoil without compromising FOV too much, use the varix 3. |
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Post by haoz on Apr 29, 2016 13:01:29 GMT -5
The Varix 3 is hilarious. Manowar with rapid fire is transformed into ICR like accuracy. Now with no need for grip, a four attachment gun of Varix 3, rapid fire, quickdraw, and fast mags is superior to red dot, grip, quickdraw, and fast mags. I had my first 10000+ game with it on nuk3town.
I also tried using it on SMGs. The cumbersome scope in of the sight made it a little harder to use, but the VMP and Weevil both became almost recoil less.
It would make for a good attachment on the drakon and on the lmgs I bet.
I don't know what the developers were thinking. Is try to enjoy it before before YouTube popularizes this optic.
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Post by banana on Apr 30, 2016 9:58:54 GMT -5
no casual will ever use that optic
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Post by haoz on Apr 30, 2016 10:59:10 GMT -5
All it takes is a drift video. This is a bigger difference than the old recon site and the fov of Varix at 1x is a reasonable 52.
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Post by mannon on Apr 30, 2016 11:11:08 GMT -5
I'm still a bit hazy on how all of this will actually come out affecting recoil since the centerspeed stuff still stacks. Is there a simple rule of thumb that would apply to all attachments affecting recoil that we could put in order from worst to best recoil?
Something like below
Worst to Best Recoil:
Rapid Fire
Naked
Rapid Fire + Grip
Grip
Only, of course with all the combinations with sights. And of course sights with identical stats don't need multiple unique entries. Oh the other hand, would such a list even be universally true for all weapons or even all of a class such as AR?
Sorry, I'm just struggling with trying to put this information into practical use without having memorized all the stats. Though I guess it'd be better if I just pulled up the stats and did some research, but I thought it might work out to something fairly simple, if I was lucky. ;p
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Post by haoz on May 4, 2016 21:31:41 GMT -5
Worst to Best Recoil: Naked BOA3 Grip
Grip+BOA3
Varix 3/Recon/Thermal*
* for Thermal because there's no aim assist with it.
Rapid fire will reduce accuracy naturally, but I think adding rapid will not move an attachment combination to a worse level of recoil.
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Post by mannon on May 4, 2016 21:33:54 GMT -5
Cool. Thanks!
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Post by JustABitAgroed on May 10, 2016 14:24:42 GMT -5
That feel when all the casuals just learned about something as good as this. 10 bucks the "pros" still won't use it though.
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Post by mannon on May 10, 2016 15:40:55 GMT -5
What about just the BOA3? I assume the grip alone is better than BOA3 alone? So then...
Worst to Best Recoil:
Naked
BOA3
Grip
Grip+BOA3
Varix 3/Recon/Thermal*
* for Thermal because there's no aim assist with it.
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Post by haoz on May 10, 2016 22:43:15 GMT -5
Oh right. So BOA3 alone is an improvement over no attachments at all. I would think it'd be worse than grip since grip abolishes min magnitude.
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Post by JustABitAgroed on May 14, 2016 2:17:36 GMT -5
I had a question about this if you're still here baddie. Considering that the M8 typically shouldn't be affected by ADS Recoil Reduction (because you would need to hold down the trigger for the effect to take place), the BOA and Varix/Recon/Thermal should have the same recoil pattern, as they would only be affected by the Centerspeed. However, in my preliminary testing I found this to not be true. The lone Varix had considerably less Viewkick than the lone BOA. Do you know why this would be the case?
Edit: Actually, after re-reading through your post in the weapons and attachments thread, you would still receive the recoil reduction for the last 3 bullets of your burst and it would then be reset after the firetime had elapsed at the end of the burst? Because as long as the weapon is firing within one firetime of the last shot that was fired then the weapon will retain the recoil reduction? I suppose that's correct. Well, thank you for your help.
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on May 14, 2016 8:34:33 GMT -5
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Post by banana on May 14, 2016 9:30:43 GMT -5
The competitive reddit found this thread too
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Post by lustindarkness on May 14, 2016 9:44:12 GMT -5
As soon as Ace posted his video, I knew this would be fixed, and now that Drift0r posted his, I know it will be fixed soon.  My Varix |
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on May 14, 2016 9:50:32 GMT -5
I'm whoring it until I get those 75 wins.
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Post by lustindarkness on May 14, 2016 9:55:03 GMT -5
I'm whoring it until I get those 75 wins. Like you need any help getting wins. <_< On topic, the Varix makes the FFAR usable, QD and Stock paired with fast hands and whatever else you want. |
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Post by imrlybord7 on May 14, 2016 12:46:00 GMT -5
So is the BOA equal to 1.33 Grips or is center speed not that simple?
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Post by banana on May 14, 2016 14:41:28 GMT -5
As soon as Ace posted his video, I knew this would be fixed, and now that Drift0r posted his, I know it will be fixed soon. My Varix It's not a bug though. They probably just wanted to increase their usage |
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Post by KenDirson on May 14, 2016 22:07:38 GMT -5
riiiip
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Post by JustABitAgroed on May 15, 2016 8:26:25 GMT -5
Gotta love watching something you adored crumble in front of you.
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Post by haoz on May 16, 2016 11:34:05 GMT -5
There's probably a week or two left before some of these sights get adjusted again. But I guess more people are on a level playing field now.
For all I know, reduced recoil for the Varix was a mistake. In the patch notes 4/18, the Varix isn't mentioned.
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