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Post by sh58 on Nov 19, 2012 16:24:39 GMT -5
Just started using the target finder and it seems insanely good. Is there some way in which the basic reflex is as good? Faster ads time? Even if it didn't ads as fast still seems ridiculously powerful.
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Post by unforgivenxile on Nov 19, 2012 16:29:13 GMT -5
Cannot STAND the tunnel vision on that thing, only useful in campaign for me.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 19, 2012 16:34:52 GMT -5
Yep. TF is widely considered as the most powerful sight now. Seems to me that everybody and their dog are using it :-), for AR and especially for LMG. With Quickdraw the ADS time is not really a problem. It is best for mid to long range engagement.
EOTech sight seems to be pretty good too, not sure whether it has ADS penalty over Iron / Reflex. If not, I would prefer it over reflex.
Reflex is the one that offers best field of view. Whether that is important enough vs. Iron or other sights is player and weapon dependent. The good thing is that BO2 tracks your stats for different attachments (at least available through Elite web site, in the custom loadout UI), and you can experiment with various sights and then judge for yourself.
Anybody knows the magnification of Iron vs. Reflex vs. EOTech vs. ACOG. vs TF vs. Hybrid vs. Dual Band? This will be a very important consideration for me for choosing sights.
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Post by Lexapro on Nov 19, 2012 16:48:13 GMT -5
I think most of the iron sights are very usable. Best part: they're free. It's difficult for me to justify spending a point on them when there are so many other ways I could spend it.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 19, 2012 16:52:48 GMT -5
I think most of the iron sights are very usable. Best part: they're free. It's difficult for me to justify spending a point on them when there are so many other ways I could spend it. This is weapon and engagement range dependent. The longer the range is, the more helpful the sight can be. Since now we have a way to make data driven decisions ( denkirson.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=5374), I recommend playing with each for some time and look at your performance data. You might (or might not) be surprised by how much help they give you.
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Post by I Am Hollywood5 on Nov 19, 2012 17:00:55 GMT -5
In a game with foregrips, long barrels, fast mags, laser sights, extend mags, and stocks, I never spend a single point on an optic. Iron sights are just fine for me.
But I do hate the target finder. The tunnel vision really annoys me, and there's just too much distracting stuff going on in the optic. I suppose it is pretty powerful though, and it probably should have a slower ADS time to balance it against the reflex/EOTech.
I dont know, I can see the enemies just fine. I'm not bind, I don't need to spend a point for an attachment that points out enemies that I already see.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 19, 2012 17:08:26 GMT -5
By looking at my attachment stats, I found that I have much better KDR and accuracy when using a sight (so far mainly Reflex and TF).
Accuracy wise, it is no surprise to find out that I have better accuracy with sights of higher zoom level like ACOG.
I'll continue to experiment and figure out what's best for myself.
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Post by Voice from the Basement on Nov 19, 2012 18:35:30 GMT -5
I think most of the iron sights are very usable. Best part: they're free. It's difficult for me to justify spending a point on them when there are so many other ways I could spend it. ^ That's it. Why should I attach a sight on a weapon (even on MSMC with its, let me say, retarded sight for long range combats) when I need Fast Mags + Grip, or Grip + Adjustable Stock, or something like that? The only class well-suited for this is ARs until you reach something like 7th–-8th weapon level (I can't play without Stalker since MW3 times).
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Post by kittymulcher on Nov 19, 2012 18:53:41 GMT -5
All the visual alone sights are useless. It needs to do something I think, like have quickdraw come standard or something. That would actually be a great idea, quickdraw on RDS EOTECH and ACOG sights.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 19, 2012 18:57:41 GMT -5
All the visual alone sights are useless. It needs to do something I think, like have quickdraw come standard or something. That would actually be a great idea, quickdraw on RDS EOTECH and ACOG sights. I don't know about Reflex, but other sights give your advantage on zoom level. It may or may not matter depending on your preferred range of engagement. I would have never considered putting a sight on SMGs, until I ran into some very good players who put EOTech on their SMGs. I still think that experiment, collect data and then decide are better before deciding to completely ignore them.
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Post by Evan950 on Nov 20, 2012 1:06:58 GMT -5
visual sights can somtimes really help in aiming, having no iron around the point of shooting gives your mind a better approach to what you should be doing
EDIT: i mean rds
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Post by toysrme on Nov 20, 2012 1:21:50 GMT -5
wait what are sights? what button is that? i put the laser on and forgot anyone whom does NOT believe the target finder is the most outrageously IMBA thing in this game hasn't put it on an FAL yet. FAL TF Stock DM i said it was IMBA before the game came out. i was right. ahhhhh but really. 5x7 + laser + long barrel or tac-45 + dual mag + long barrel. sexy sexy or just roll an SMG with a laser and flip a coin for whatever else.
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Post by malgato on Nov 20, 2012 1:46:56 GMT -5
I want to like the FAL, but with the hit detection and/or laggy type connection issues, I am too often screwed even trying to get 2 accurate shots on target. I know I am also not a pro for accuracy in the first place - I think my mk14 was around 20% for mw3... Until the connection issues smooth out, I need to stick with a more spray friendly weapon...
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Post by GoHarvard on Nov 20, 2012 2:02:59 GMT -5
The good thing is that BO2 tracks your stats for different attachments (at least available through Elite web site, in the custom loadout UI), and you can experiment with various sights and then judge for yourself. Are those stats accurate for you? On mine it is way off. I haven't used a Reflex Sight on my PWD, yet it says I have a 3.77 KDR via 810 kills and 215 deaths with it. My PDW is barely level 3!
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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 20, 2012 3:54:26 GMT -5
Anyone notice how variable zoom only has 2 zoom levels in this game? Not sure how many it has in MW3, but it definitely has 3 in BO1. All I can confirm for SVU-AS at least, is its default acog zoom, and regular sniper zoom(4.8).
What about the other sniper rifles?
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Post by tiesieman on Nov 20, 2012 5:24:24 GMT -5
2.4 and 4.8 for LMGs as well
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Post by ragnarok on Nov 20, 2012 17:05:37 GMT -5
Basic optics (Reflex/EOTech/ACOG) should be free of charge. Give default iron sights some silly benefits like faster ADS-out (the only benefit of iron sights in BF3 lol) or something.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jan 16, 2013 15:20:23 GMT -5
Refresh this topic.
Just reached Reflex master. While more advanced bros can play well with Iron, I found myself more effective with Reflex: KDR = 2.57 (>> KDR of my best weapon, AN-94 at 1.73), accuracy 15% (still low but > my average)
Of course, the attachment stats are buggy so it is not telling an accurate story (also, keep in mind that the stats are aggregated across all weapons that have that attachments). Still, it demonstrates my point that every player should try the attachments out themselves and compare.
Started working on EOTech challenges, and so far I like the attachment. The bigger zoom is nice, and the peripheral vision limitation is not too bad.
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Post by prioc on Jan 16, 2013 21:44:16 GMT -5
I usually just spend a point on the sight if there's nothing else I want, and if it might improve my playing. I have been using the MK48 a bit and I like the EOTech on it, it seems to improve my aim a little bit. I also find it a bit easier to get long range kills with the reflex when I use Type 25, I just dislike how it is mounted on the gun
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Post by 42 on Jan 16, 2013 21:59:10 GMT -5
Marvel is really slacking. Do any of the sites affect ADS speed?
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Post by Marvel4 on Jan 16, 2013 22:12:51 GMT -5
No. Except iron sights on the Ballista.
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Post by kirbyderby on Jan 16, 2013 22:14:31 GMT -5
Marvel is really slacking. Do any of the sites affect ADS speed? IIRC, I think only the iron sight attachment for the Ballista changes the ADS speed (from .35 to .3, I think) also fuck yall haters MMS is best pony
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Post by RageHulkSmash on Jan 17, 2013 3:50:05 GMT -5
Refresh this topic. Just reached Reflex master. While more advanced bros can play well with Iron, I found myself more effective with Reflex: KDR = 2.57 (>> KDR of my best weapon, AN-94 at 1.73), accuracy 15% (still low but > my average) Of course, the attachment stats are buggy so it is not telling an accurate story (also, keep in mind that the stats are aggregated across all weapons that have that attachments). Still, it demonstrates my point that every player should try the attachments out themselves and compare. Started working on EOTech challenges, and so far I like the attachment. The bigger zoom is nice, and the peripheral vision limitation is not too bad. The sight attachment stats are the most Foxtroted on elite. Basically it only registers your deaths if you are ADSing at the time of death, thus inflating the hell out of your KDR. I have nearly 5.0 KDR with all sights and I know I should have more deaths than they say. Edit: I thought the same thing you did when I first saw my sight KDRs but was disappointed later. Still, it got me appreciating sights more for their visual pleasantness from that experience.
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Post by Will on Jan 17, 2013 4:20:01 GMT -5
Why are people talking about ADS time and quickdraw on this topic?
All optics have the same ADS time as iron sights in this game. Fixes the big problem with the ACOG from previous games.
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Post by markopolo on Jan 17, 2013 11:01:45 GMT -5
After discovering the pure joy of the target finder, it is so hard for me to use any other sight.
I mastered the EOTech just because I enjoyed it in MW3, but I really find that the sights edges are too thick for me and it was a pain to master it. The reflex sight, while nice, doesn't give me enough zoom. And the ACOG jumps around too much for my liking on the LMG's.
But the Target finder.... wow..... I almost want to stop using it so much, because I feel a nerf coming for it. It's just so so so popular and sosososososososo widely used. I just can't see how it can be a level 6 unlock for LMG's.... if there is a BOps3, they'll have to make it the last level unlock. For the benefit that you get from it, coupled with how early it is to unlock, it's just plain rediculously easy to get.
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Post by palladium on Jan 17, 2013 12:15:05 GMT -5
Yea it makes me laugh that the MMS is the last unlock for every gun it is available on. Obviously in their playtesting people were just sitting stationary a lot or they believed the whiny community about people tactical loitering in one spot and not moving which almost never happens so they thought it was a much better attachment than it is. Target Finder is like MMS for a lot of cover in this game and is way more unbalanced.
If there is a Blops 3 expect them to still be bad at balancing the game.
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Post by brcm on Jan 17, 2013 12:25:19 GMT -5
markopolo: I didn't use the target finder for about 3-4 prestige levels. Then I wanted to start to level up LMG's and it's incredible when used correctly. A nerf wouldn't surprise me either. I put it on the MK48 for large maps/objective games and simply play the role of a movable turret. For whatever reason, I'd say the number of headshots I got when I switched from open sights to the target finder increased by 300%. Sometimes it feels like I'm cheating.
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Post by kirbyderby on Jan 17, 2013 12:51:10 GMT -5
Balance based on unlock level is fucking stupid
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Post by -3055- on Jan 17, 2013 12:55:39 GMT -5
I hate anything and everything that gives tunnel vision. So no variable zoom, target finder, and, because of its large frame, EOtech. But I do like enhanced zoom. So although I enjoy acog, it reduces my field of vision greatly. Is there a solution?
HYBRID SIGHT. GREATEST THING EVER IN THIS GAME. Both reticles are very usable and since the switch is immediate, there honestly is no point in using acog or reflex in this game. Reflex maybe, since the reflex exterior is larger, but hybrid sight acog is almost identical.
I don't see the point of using a target finder. If you increase sharpness, object depth, contrast, and flesh tone contrast, you can see most people easily at any distance moving or non-moving. I don't think I've ever had an encounter where I thought "damn, if I had target finder, I would've definitely had the drop on him" Because of this, I do not find the target finder overpowered.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jan 17, 2013 13:29:35 GMT -5
Refresh this topic. Just reached Reflex master. While more advanced bros can play well with Iron, I found myself more effective with Reflex: KDR = 2.57 (>> KDR of my best weapon, AN-94 at 1.73), accuracy 15% (still low but > my average) Of course, the attachment stats are buggy so it is not telling an accurate story (also, keep in mind that the stats are aggregated across all weapons that have that attachments). Still, it demonstrates my point that every player should try the attachments out themselves and compare. Started working on EOTech challenges, and so far I like the attachment. The bigger zoom is nice, and the peripheral vision limitation is not too bad. The sight attachment stats are the most Foxtroted on elite. Basically it only registers your deaths if you are ADSing at the time of death, thus inflating the hell out of your KDR. I have nearly 5.0 KDR with all sights and I know I should have more deaths than they say. Edit: I thought the same thing you did when I first saw my sight KDRs but was disappointed later. Still, it got me appreciating sights more for their visual pleasantness from that experience. Collecting stats this way is not necessarily bad. If you are using a sight, you do want to see how effective it is in gun fights that you ADS'ed. In general, people can consider sights based on what they need from it: 1) If un-obstructive view is what you value most: go with MMS; 2) higher zoom level: Variable Zoom (LMG), ACOG (AR) if you can stand it, otherwise EOTech / Hybrid 3) Enhanced vision: Dual Band 4) Aim assist: TF
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