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Post by Slick on Nov 2, 2015 3:12:54 GMT -5
Any opinions on the Audio Technica ATHADG1? My pc360 is slowly dying. Dead mic and the ear volume controls distort the sound near max audio level. PC gamer? Primarily Xbone/360. I use the mixamp with my sennheiser pc360 headset. I don't have access to actual surround or simulated 7.1 sound. It simulates 5.1 with stereo headphones. It's an older mixamp, 2011 version or so, before Skullcandy bought Astro out. I was looking for reviews/opinions. Thinking about either upgrading to the G4me One, or trying a brand I've never used before. Yes I read the AD700 is basically the same can, but I don't want to use a high sensitivity microphone.
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Post by GodMars on Nov 3, 2015 7:44:06 GMT -5
Primarily Xbone/360. I use the mixamp with my sennheiser pc360 headset. I don't have access to actual surround or simulated 7.1 sound. It simulates 5.1 with stereo headphones. It's an older mixamp, 2011 version or so, before Skullcandy bought Astro out. I was looking for reviews/opinions. Thinking about either upgrading to the G4me One, or trying a brand I've never used before. Yes I read the AD700 is basically the same can, but I don't want to use a high sensitivity microphone. IIRC, the ADG1s are easier for the Mixamp to drive then the G4me Ones, but you might not even notice an issue. I'd specifically look for discussions involving people using that setup to see what they say. In both cases you're overpaying for the built in mic, but you know that already. Also, unfortunately, the AD700x != AD700, but they're still pretty decent in their price range.
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Post by qupie on Nov 6, 2015 6:16:42 GMT -5
Guess I'll be keeping the Mixamp, then! Edit: one thing I noticed right away with my new setup is that the Mixamp has an easier time driving the Senn HD 598s and Modmic than it does its own Astro headset. I was actually able to turn down the master volume and game/chat mix on my Midamp after switching over. If you are looking for an improvement in sound quality as well as Dolby surround. You should really look into some (second hand) AV receivers. I got a Marantz SR 5600 (it is like 10 years old...) and it it trumps the mixamp in, gaming performance, sound quality and amping (if you need that). Another thing I can greatly recommand is the AKG K612 pro. I have had it for over a year now, and I still love it. I saw mad lust envy did a review on it a while back, and it is one of the only headphones below $200 which does great for both gaming and listening to music! www.head-fi.org/t/534479/mad-lust-envys-headphone-gaming-guide-5-31-2015-beyer-cop-and-shure-1540-added + Ctrl F + AKG 612. I don't know if a mixamp can drive them though...
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Post by GodMars on Nov 6, 2015 7:36:05 GMT -5
You can't properly drive those 612s with the Astro Mixamp.
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Post by qupie on Nov 6, 2015 8:28:56 GMT -5
Ok, good to know. I always use a fiio e18 if not at home, so I never noticed. My new samsung phone drives them reasonably well though (not nearly as well as the e18, but manageable). The more reason to opt for a real receiver I guess. Mic can easily be plugged into PS4 controller and volume can be adjusted in the menus. This was the strong point of a mix amp back in the day when this was impossible.
Therefore nowadays you are better of buying an (second hand, but with DH) receiver to amp your headphones. Added benefit is that you can actually use the receiver for home cinema as well...
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Post by Slick on Nov 6, 2015 16:58:01 GMT -5
I decided to buy headphones for gaming for the first time. For the microphone, I chose to get the modmic, which I'll have on Monday. See, I'm learning. =) If anyone is familiar with the modmic and use it for the One, is the firmware update still necessary? The note on their website indicated it was as of May this year. Newer One controllers including the Elite controller, which I bought, have the standard 3.5mm jack, so that saves me the cost of the adapter.
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Post by xFEARtheSHIELDx on Nov 23, 2015 4:24:18 GMT -5
The thing you are referring to is when you get the sound from your controller I think. This is not really what I want, as I want dolby headphones and added power from my amp. I might be wrong though, maybe they added it in options, I am going to search for that next weekend! I don't really think so though, as I sent PS an email a while back, and they didn't see a need for that option... (probably to push the PS headset or something) I could find the option in 'Destiny'. But allot of people (logically) prefer party chat over game chat, and therefore I am stuck using my (fanstasic sounding, but simply less positional) closed K551, plugged directly into the controller. My receiver has an optical in (from PS4) and outputs in a 6.3 mm jack. Don't think it has more than two rings though. I think my story is quite vague. Let me state it like this, what I tried/want is: PS4 --optical--> RECEIVER --6.3 mm jack--> HEADPHONES (no mic) PS4 CONTROLLER --> STANDARD PS4 MIC (which I will just clip onto my shirt or cable) The result is that the chat audio comes out of the PS4 earplug, which is not in my ear... The bottom part could possibly be changed for a usb mic I think (hope). But I am afraid that might not work, and might still not put all the audio through the optical cable (to receiver etc). I would like to be sure if it works before I spend some money on a separate mic. Anybody has any experience with USB mics? I don't really want to spend more than +- 40€ I hate to bump this thread again, but for those using this setup, have you found a way to a adjust chat volume? Chat is way too loud when I'm trying to soundwhore, and none of the various options on the PS4 seem to have any effect. It's also really annoying to have to go to Settings-Devices-Audio Devices-Output to TV or Amplifier every time I plug my mic in the controller.
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Post by qupie on Nov 23, 2015 5:16:31 GMT -5
Sorry I actually haven't had this issue yet. When I play with friends I just use my speakers (destiny) when I feel like cod I mostly play solo or without headset when I play with friends. I hear footsteps quite well through my speakers as well
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Post by GodMars on Nov 23, 2015 7:16:06 GMT -5
Sorry I actually haven't had this issue yet. When I play with friends I just use my speakers (destiny) when I feel like cod I mostly play solo or without headset when I play with friends. I hear footsteps quite well through my speakers as well Sorry, qupie, listening through speakers isn't remotely close to listening through a good set of headphones. You should know better!
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Post by GodMars on Nov 23, 2015 7:19:39 GMT -5
The thing you are referring to is when you get the sound from your controller I think. This is not really what I want, as I want dolby headphones and added power from my amp. I might be wrong though, maybe they added it in options, I am going to search for that next weekend! I don't really think so though, as I sent PS an email a while back, and they didn't see a need for that option... (probably to push the PS headset or something) I could find the option in 'Destiny'. But allot of people (logically) prefer party chat over game chat, and therefore I am stuck using my (fanstasic sounding, but simply less positional) closed K551, plugged directly into the controller. My receiver has an optical in (from PS4) and outputs in a 6.3 mm jack. Don't think it has more than two rings though. I think my story is quite vague. Let me state it like this, what I tried/want is: PS4 --optical--> RECEIVER --6.3 mm jack--> HEADPHONES (no mic) PS4 CONTROLLER --> STANDARD PS4 MIC (which I will just clip onto my shirt or cable) The result is that the chat audio comes out of the PS4 earplug, which is not in my ear... The bottom part could possibly be changed for a usb mic I think (hope). But I am afraid that might not work, and might still not put all the audio through the optical cable (to receiver etc). I would like to be sure if it works before I spend some money on a separate mic. Anybody has any experience with USB mics? I don't really want to spend more than +- 40€ I hate to bump this thread again, but for those using this setup, have you found a way to a adjust chat volume? Chat is way too loud when I'm trying to soundwhore, and none of the various options on the PS4 seem to have any effect. It's also really annoying to have to go to Settings-Devices-Audio Devices-Output to TV or Amplifier every time I plug my mic in the controller. One of the reasons why I use the Astro Mixamp.
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Post by bradman on Nov 23, 2015 12:44:53 GMT -5
Sorry I actually haven't had this issue yet. When I play with friends I just use my speakers (destiny) when I feel like cod I mostly play solo or without headset when I play with friends. I hear footsteps quite well through my speakers as well Sorry, qupie, listening through speakers isn't remotely close to listening through a good set of headphones. You should know better! Depends on the speakers and set up. Good enough gear kills any headset for both quality and directional awareness.
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Post by GodMars on Nov 23, 2015 15:46:49 GMT -5
Sorry, qupie, listening through speakers isn't remotely close to listening through a good set of headphones. You should know better! Depends on the speakers and set up. Good enough gear kills any headset for both quality and directional awareness. I doubt anyone here is playing in a room with the sort of setup you'd need to get the same effect. The room would have had to have been designed with acoustics in mind.
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Post by lustindarkness on Nov 23, 2015 16:15:10 GMT -5
I have an old cheap wired turtle beach P11 from the PS3, plugged in to the PS4 and TV, works fine. But when that one dies, is the Playstation Wireless Gold good for $80? I can't see spending more than that with teenagers in the house (reason I need to move away from wired).
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Post by bradman on Nov 23, 2015 16:24:05 GMT -5
Full range speakers for every discrete channel and a powered sub or two will do the trick. For most folks maybe not feasible, but can be done on a budget, no room treatments needed. There's lots of resources available to help with speaker and sub placement.
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Post by bradman on Nov 23, 2015 16:25:23 GMT -5
I have an old cheap wired turtle beach P11 from the PS3, plugged in to the PS4 and TV, works fine. But when that one dies, is the Playstation Wireless Gold good for $80? I can't see spending more than that with teenagers in the house (reason I need to move away from wired). They are worth about that. They win via convenience factor, but have ho-hum sound and build quality.
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Post by qupie on Nov 24, 2015 11:52:36 GMT -5
So guys, I need help. Because I can actually hear footstep positioning better through my speakers than through my headphones. I know these headphones are good, and the receiver always did well with Dolby Headphones (2). I played ghosts allot and could sound-whore for days. With BO3 (first sound-whore game on PS4 for me) I can't hear the positioning at all!! I hear allot of footsteps really really loud, and I can guess which direction it comes from, but there is never a strong indication where it is coming from... I am starting to think it is the way the PS4 sends audio data towards my receiver, that the Dolby Headphones doesn't really work as intended for some reason. Is there any settings menu in PS4 I am not thinking of? Could you guys give me some advice on all the settings you did? As a mixamp works with Dolby Headphones as well (as far as I know) it should be very comparable... The mixamp also gets data through an optical digital cable right? Can you guys hear positioning good? or is it only mediocre (at best) for you as well? And does the biggest part of your positioning come from the fact that you know the sound the different soils etc makes? I literally tried allot of settings, and it is kind of driving me crazy. Maybe I just have to practice soundwhoring again? As I haven't used it since Titanfall came out (never went back to COD since)? p.s. My speakers are actually a 2.1 setup because there was no space for 5.1 and it is quite temporary. They are really really good speakers though, and I sit very close to them. I made them and finetuned the placement in the room myself with my dad (he DIY speakers for about 30 years by now...) using all scan-speak drivers. The fronts go all the way to 40Hz, and the sub starts helping at around 60 and below. Nothing to sniff at, but 160€ headphones should at least be on par with them, they always did better than my speakers did in the past with my Xbox 360 (and back in the day it was headphones VS 5.1) TlDr; help me I am desperate.
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Nov 24, 2015 16:42:18 GMT -5
The sound isn't as good as IW games. I can still hear directionally with my MixAmp well enough though. As for PS4 settings well, if you want to match what your Xbox 360 was doing you probably want it to output DTS or DD 5.1. That's probably not ideal for a 2.1 speaker setup though. If your PS4 is outputting stereo for your 2.1 setup it's not going to do that well. This is all assuming your receiver does the Dolby headphones thing.
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Post by GodMars on Nov 24, 2015 16:57:22 GMT -5
The sound isn't as good as IW games. I can still hear directionally with my MixAmp well enough though. As for PS4 settings well, if you want to match what your Xbox 360 was doing you probably want it to output DTS or DD 5.1. That's probably not ideal for a 2.1 speaker setup though. If your PS4 is outputting stereo for your 2.1 setup it's not going to do that well. This is all assuming your receiver does the Dolby headphones thing. BO3 is DD only.
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Nov 24, 2015 17:40:33 GMT -5
That is kind of weird. Or rather it seems like all PS4 games just output DD 5.1 even if you have DTS selected. My MixAmp doesn't handle DTS, yet I keep getting sound if I try to enable it. I guess it only does it for BluRays or something? The Xbox One version sound dies if I set it to DTS. I could install it on my living room console but 50gb download, doesn't seem worth it. But I assume that version of BO3 is putting out DTS. I don't have anything whatsoever that would handle any of the newer lossless formats over HDMI.
I had kind of assumed that with these consoles they would just have a target lossless audio, 5.1 or 7.1 or whatever and encode on-the-fly to whatever output format they needed.
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Post by GodMars on Nov 24, 2015 17:53:23 GMT -5
That is kind of weird. Or rather it seems like all PS4 games just output DD 5.1 even if you have DTS selected. My MixAmp doesn't handle DTS, yet I keep getting sound if I try to enable it. I guess it only does it for BluRays or something? The Xbox One version sound dies if I set it to DTS. I could install it on my living room console but 50gb download, doesn't seem worth it. But I assume that version of BO3 is putting out DTS. I don't have anything whatsoever that would handle any of the newer lossless formats over HDMI. I had kind of assumed that with these consoles they would just have a target lossless audio, 5.1 or 7.1 or whatever and encode on-the-fly to whatever output format they needed. If the game audio isn't encoded in DTS, it can't output it.
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Post by bradman on Nov 24, 2015 18:06:12 GMT -5
LPCM is the correct choice over HDMI. Most any recent AVR can handle the lossless audio in that fashion, i.e. letting the PS4 decode and send as multi-channel PCM. Bitstream(Dolby) is your choice over toslink(optical). This will ensure all headsets are good to go, and the PS4 can convert DTS to DD on the fly.
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Nov 24, 2015 18:08:02 GMT -5
If the game audio isn't encoded in DTS, it can't output it. I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Your contention is what... that my Xbox One is outputting no sound whatsoever from Black Ops 3 when set to DTS? LPCM is the correct choice over HDMI. Most any recent AVR can handle the lossless audio in that fashion, i.e. letting the PS4 decode and send as multi-channel PCM. Bitstream(Dolby) is your choice over toslink(optical). This will ensure all headsets are good to go, and the PS4 can convert DTS to DD on the fly. He said his audio receiver was a decade old. I don't think it does HDMI.
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Post by bradman on Nov 24, 2015 18:28:52 GMT -5
If the game audio isn't encoded in DTS, it can't output it. I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Your contention is what... that my Xbox One is outputting no sound whatsoever from Black Ops 3 when set to DTS? LPCM is the correct choice over HDMI. Most any recent AVR can handle the lossless audio in that fashion, i.e. letting the PS4 decode and send as multi-channel PCM. Bitstream(Dolby) is your choice over toslink(optical). This will ensure all headsets are good to go, and the PS4 can convert DTS to DD on the fly. He said his audio receiver was a decade old. I don't think it does HDMI. The settings advice is still good.
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Nov 24, 2015 18:33:15 GMT -5
He said Marantz SR 5600 above. Google Image searching the back panel seems like no HDMI, so only optical. DTS or DD 5.1 setting doesn't matter as he's on PS4 and it's sending DD 5.1 either way.
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Post by GodMars on Nov 24, 2015 19:50:32 GMT -5
If the game audio isn't encoded in DTS, it can't output it. I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Your contention is what... that my Xbox One is outputting no sound whatsoever from Black Ops 3 when set to DTS? It's not outputting surround sound, is what I am saying.
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Nov 24, 2015 20:10:34 GMT -5
DD 5.1 is surround. So you're saying if my Xbox One is on DTS, I will get stereo?
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Post by GodMars on Nov 24, 2015 20:42:08 GMT -5
DD 5.1 is surround. So you're saying if my Xbox One is on DTS, I will get stereo? Yes.
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Post by qupie on Nov 25, 2015 15:22:30 GMT -5
bradmanI think I already have my PS4 on Bitstream(Dolby) over toslink(optical). But thanks for your answer anyway @pegasus Actual I don't really mind a 5.1 output not being optimal for my speaker setup. My receiver can easily convert 5.1 back to 2.1. That got me thinking though. Because my receiver is set to 2.1 speakers only, it converts all audio back to 2.1. So maybe, just maybe, it converts the audio signal back to 2.1 before being processed by Dolby Headphones as well. Would be kind of stupid, but it is not impossible I guess, especially with older electronics. It is one of the things which are different with my old setup (I had a 5.1 setup back then). And yes, my receiver does the Dolby headphones thing . Thanks for your imput. I have one more thing to try next weekend! Thanks for the input guys, I appreciate it I will post an update after some (more) testing.
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Post by qupie on Nov 25, 2015 15:43:58 GMT -5
I also found this little line in the manual of my receiver:
"The Dolby Headphone function will not work when 32 or 96 kHz PCM digital signals are input."
Could this be something the PS4 puts out while the xbox did something else?
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Post by xFEARtheSHIELDx on Nov 25, 2015 16:47:01 GMT -5
Bitstream(Dolby) is your choice over toslink(optical). Good god, thank you for this. Huge friggin difference. I also think I've solve the problem with chat being way too loud to soundwhore. Changed the mix to Supercrunch, which made the game audio much louder. Any idea why the party chat/game audio slider seems to have no effect when using the "output chat to TV/amplifier" option? Is this just a bug that maybe Sony isn't aware of? Side note, is anyone else using the Earforce DSS box?
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