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Post by Ishbane on Dec 13, 2011 5:37:50 GMT -5
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
AHAHAHAHA!!
haaaah...
Just tested the FMG9 in a private match, akimbo and single, both with and without steady aim.
Hipspread is still small as fuck, guess what they nerfed?
They increased the recoil.
The one aspect that has been shitty before (ADS) is even more shitty now. Sure, it does increase recoil when firing from the hip, but it's so easily compensated that it doesn't really matter. I wouldn't be surprised if they reduced aimassist range, not that it would help those playing on PC.
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Post by dshunter on Dec 13, 2011 6:22:59 GMT -5
I can't wrap my head around this... Do they employ monkeys to do their weapon balancing to cut back on personnel costs? I'll have to see it for myself first, though.
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Post by Den on Dec 13, 2011 9:44:32 GMT -5
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Post by noscreenname on Dec 13, 2011 9:55:23 GMT -5
So akimbo just climbs faster? Nothing else?
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Post by brutalonslaught on Dec 13, 2011 10:00:13 GMT -5
I don't think they are much of a problem. If it bothers you so much join em? Then it's based on reaction times.
If you can't beat one of them from 10m away with any gun then you're doing it wrong. If you think any weapon is OP then there's a good chance you're just bad.
My only disappointment with them is that they render all the other secondary MPs pointless but comparing this issue, to say, the lag compensation nightmare, is farcical. It's comparing milliseconds to seconds.
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Post by Champ on Dec 13, 2011 10:15:09 GMT -5
Recoil is pretty random but it's even better for players with terrible aim. So yeah, IW can't fix shit.
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Post by dshunter on Dec 13, 2011 10:21:44 GMT -5
I don't think they are much of a problem. If it bothers you so much join em? Then it's based on reaction times. Ah, the ever-recurring pseudo-argument. So if you got robbed in real life, would you resort to the same criminal act because it's effective? Maybe a less illegal example: if one of your best friends stole your girlfriend from you, would you start doing the same thing to another friend of yours? If you can't beat them, join them, right? I know this is a video game, and thus less serious in its consequences, but the idea is still the same. It's not that you can't beat them with your primary weapon, but rather that 1) they turn a sniper class - which is supposed to be at a disadvantage at close quarters - into an all-purpose powerhouse, and 2) they rival SMGs and shotguns in close-range effectiveness, which are primaries designed to be superior choices at that range. Plus being shot in the back from 15 meters away and dying within 1 second just doesn't feel right considering that it's merely a sidearm.
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Post by -3055- on Dec 13, 2011 10:26:41 GMT -5
Wow. I'm done. What kind of company makes secondaries much stronger than many primaries two games in a row? Spas & model in mw2 was pretty much better than any smg & some assault rifles considering how you could occasionally snipe with them. akimbo machine pistols in mw3 was better than mw3 shotguns and smgs in their respective "ideal" combat range..... and some assault rifles. I guess the main reason akimbo mps work so well is that the shotguns in this game shoot marshmallows instead of pellets & there is no more akimbo smgs. Like I said, I'm done and I'm going back to black ops. Good old, boring but fair black ops. And nuketown!
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Post by slowriot on Dec 13, 2011 10:37:23 GMT -5
-3055-, i still play black ops all the time. boring but fair is a good way to put it. black ops was just so much better; if you are a real person and fairness is your thing. i mean, the famas/aug issue seems so small now! although muscle memory of the dolphin dive has me doing silly things in both games.
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Post by Evan950 on Dec 13, 2011 10:56:39 GMT -5
you guys looked at it wrong, when the messge popped up the pacth wasnt downloaded yet, so i went back into a private match and the hipfire has been changed ALOT ive been getting less kill/deaths with them already and when i try to use them agaisnt someone else it certainly takes longer.
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Post by cashmoves on Dec 13, 2011 12:00:05 GMT -5
changed how?
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Post by Ishbane on Dec 13, 2011 12:18:00 GMT -5
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Post by joe8beast on Dec 13, 2011 12:21:33 GMT -5
im afraid they didnt even change the Types Dmg, which was my problem with it, and im sure it was alot of other peoples problems with it, not the hipfire was too accurate (although it was)
im afraid i cant keep playing if the type holds its superiority over other rifles, its so frustrating getting outplayed by a noob with a cheap gun, forcing myself to use a cheap gun just to have the upper hand (cause im better than they are)
its kind of the reason i quit MW2, i hated running around with an UMP and Scar, knowing no other guns held up to how powerful those two were, or the MP40 in WaW.
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Post by shatt3r on Dec 13, 2011 12:25:29 GMT -5
wth... seriously what is the intention and idea behind the akimbo's anyway? If there's an increase in recoil I certainly don't notice it even. On the pc it was extremely easily compensated for. Why is there such a reluctance to balance the akimbo MPs? even over nerfing them wouldnt be that big an issue i believe. it would be less annoying and game breaking than having them clearly over powered. i don't mind snipers having a bit more close range effectiveness with a single machine pistol. they're already very decent secondaries on their own, but having akimbo's that out class the smgs is just BS. why even have pistols? or shotties?
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Post by brutalonslaught on Dec 13, 2011 12:45:55 GMT -5
I don't think they are much of a problem. If it bothers you so much join em? Then it's based on reaction times. Ah, the ever-recurring pseudo-argument. So if you got robbed in real life, would you resort to the same criminal act because it's effective? Maybe a less illegal example: if one of your best friends stole your girlfriend from you, would you start doing the same thing to another friend of yours? If you can't beat them, join them, right? I know this is a video game, and thus less serious in its consequences, but the idea is still the same. It's not that you can't beat them with your primary weapon, but rather that 1) they turn a sniper class - which is supposed to be at a disadvantage at close quarters - into an all-purpose powerhouse, and 2) they rival SMGs and shotguns in close-range effectiveness, which are primaries designed to be superior choices at that range. Plus being shot in the back from 15 meters away and dying within 1 second just doesn't feel right considering that it's merely a sidearm. I understand this sentiment (yes it is a video game )but it's like a friend stole your girlfriend but you don't really mind because she was only good in bed, couldn't cook for doo-doo and hit every branch of the ugly tree on her way down. If I had to quantify how much I get killed by certain stuff (I like to think I'm a decent player 2k/d, 70% W/L playing in public matches mainly with a sub 15 ping which sometimes absolutely kills me) 20% Type 95 - this + lag compensation = nuke against me for my style of play 20% all other Assault rifles - ACR excluded 15% SMGs 10% ACR 10% railgund (20% on some maps, 0% on others) 5% Killed by killstreaks (4.999% Predator) 5% Shotguns (4.9% Striker) 5% Dual FMGs 5% Equipment 2% Knifed 1% Killed by teammate getting fake care package 1% Suicide 1% Other I don't think I've ever been killed by a LMG. My K/D with the FMGs is 1.5 but with that ping I go down awfully quickly. Maybe it's my connection but if they are 10ft away I can shoot them in the back with both clips and they will only just die.
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Post by eLantern on Dec 13, 2011 13:22:39 GMT -5
So they didn't take away the increase to the Rate of Fire for Akimbo'd FMG9s? I thought that would have been the main nerf or fix... normalizing the Rate of Fire.
Nevermind... That was completely wrong.
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Post by niteshadex on Dec 13, 2011 14:48:42 GMT -5
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Post by dshunter on Dec 13, 2011 15:21:01 GMT -5
What do you make of this tweet?Does this imply that the gun balance hotfix hasn't made it into the PC version yet, after all? Or do you think he's referring to future hotfixes? In my opinion, the latter wouldn't make too much sense.
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Post by Geo on Dec 13, 2011 15:22:41 GMT -5
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Post by theuberelite on Dec 13, 2011 15:24:37 GMT -5
What do you make of this tweet?Does this imply that the gun balance hotfix hasn't made it into the PC version yet, after all? Or do you think he's referring to future hotfixes? In my opinion, the latter wouldn't make too much sense. We have the shotgun fix, so I doubt we haven't gotten the hotfix yet
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Post by dshunter on Dec 13, 2011 16:10:20 GMT -5
We have the shotgun fix, so I doubt we haven't gotten the hotfix yet Good point. Now I can go back to hating IW again.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Dec 13, 2011 16:33:05 GMT -5
I don't think they are much of a problem. If it bothers you so much join em? Then it's based on reaction times. Because I'd much rather play Modern Warfare 3 than Folding Machine Gun 3.
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Post by niteshadex on Dec 13, 2011 19:45:05 GMT -5
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Post by slowriot on Dec 13, 2011 19:49:23 GMT -5
folding machine gun 4 is 'spost to be sick dood!
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Post by -3055- on Dec 13, 2011 21:15:41 GMT -5
is it too early to say "so excited for black ops 2" ?
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Post by asasa on Dec 13, 2011 22:47:51 GMT -5
i said that before shit noob warfare came out
stupid no recoil games
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Post by okayjon on Dec 14, 2011 0:13:03 GMT -5
I don't think they are much of a problem. If it bothers you so much join em? Then it's based on reaction times. If you can't beat one of them from 10m away with any gun then you're doing it wrong. If you think any weapon is OP then there's a good chance you're just bad. My only disappointment with them is that they render all the other secondary MPs pointless but comparing this issue, to say, the lag compensation nightmare, is farcical. It's comparing milliseconds to seconds. Well when I'm using a shotgun and i get insta-killed by these, I'm not a happy camper. If they were primaries, I'd be more lenient, but i'd be better off running around with fmg akimbos than any shotty(pre lvl 28 striker of coarse). Oh and thanks for calling people that want a balanced game "bad."
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Post by GoHarvard on Dec 14, 2011 0:33:56 GMT -5
I haven't been prompted to download this update yet or maybe I wasn't paying attention when it happened...
I played for 3 hours today and my buddy who likes using the Striker was still raging about akimbo FMG players easily winning out against him in CQ encounters.
As one of the posters mentioned in this thread. If I see someone abusing them I'll load up a class that has them to dish out some serious pay back. It does get irritating seeing them used more and more nowadays. They aren't a primary weapon, but people have so much success full-timing them.
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Post by volgon on Dec 14, 2011 1:19:04 GMT -5
I've pretty much given up; I've put akimbo FMGs on all my classes except anti-air. If someone is using them, I'll have an answer, otherwise I'll stick to my primary.
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Post by wwaa on Dec 14, 2011 4:06:48 GMT -5
Bros… There is ALWAYS „the best gun”, there is always a gun that is overused. If you have two beasts you complain the 2nd one is obsolete and should be patched… If there is only one you complain it should be patched …
I usually have MP9 as a secondary & MK14 silencer + RF and kill more FMGs than they kill me.. Many times I get killed by FMGs I’d be killed with a pistol as well…
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