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Post by MoopusMaximus on Jul 1, 2012 7:56:21 GMT -5
I was using this gun for the challenge originally. But then, I got grip. Grip changes everything on this gun. With Grip, the gun is a laser. I'm surprised you guys rank this gun so low.
Also, because you don't need Kick, this gun is very versatile. I can use Speed, Impact, anything really as long as it has Grip.
Shoots Fast + Laser + Pretty Good Irons + Perfect with Speed = Amazing
Got three MOABS in a row using: MG36 Grip + Speed Proficiency Akimbo FMG9 Blind Eye Quick Draw Stalker
Try it, it's great.
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Post by Dumien on Jul 1, 2012 8:07:02 GMT -5
I love the gun. But the roles I want my LMGs to fill are already completely covered and performed by my M60 and my LSW. My overkill search class with both those weapons performs awesomely as well.
I do respect its niche as a heavy AR with many many bullets and very pretty irons, but you won't see me using it much. IMO it is the gateway drug between the ARs and the LMGs. My friends who used to only love ARs used this gun and the MP7 to switch over to true LMGs and SMGs.
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Post by MoopusMaximus on Jul 1, 2012 8:12:27 GMT -5
I love the gun. But the roles I want my LMGs to fill are already completely covered and performed by my M60 and my LSW. My overkill search class with both those weapons performs awesomely as well. I do respect its niche as a heavy AR with many many bullets and very pretty irons, but you won't see me using it much. IMO it is the gateway drug between the ARs and the LMGs. My friends who used to only love ARs used this gun and the MP7 to switch over to true LMGs and SMGs. I agree. It's a great hybrid LMG. Performs much like an AR. I find it better than the M60 though because it's has a very high Fire Rate, something the M60 doesn't have. Using the Rapid Fire + Grip still retains the near-laser accuracy, while boosting the Fire Rate to dizzying levels. I love that combo a lot. It's super powerful. I should note it's the only LMG that can truly use Rapid Fire and be effective. Oh, and here's another thing. The M60 restricts your classes to one option. Atachments + Grip + Red Dot. Want Speed? Then you have to deal with the doo-doo recoil. Want Kick + Grip for awesome accuracy? Then you have to deal with the awful Iron Sights. This is huge for the MG36. The MG36 can use basically every profiency, and any attachment combo. I love it.
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Post by MoopusMaximus on Jul 1, 2012 8:21:59 GMT -5
All the LMG's are lasers with the grip. The MG36 has the 2nd worst recoil of all LMGs, just slightly better than the M60 PKP is arguably still very inaccurate because of the GunKick. GunKick ruins most of the LMGs which really sucks. That's why I love the MG36. No GunKick.
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Post by Marvel4 on Jul 1, 2012 8:30:35 GMT -5
Hmm, seems I'm not very lucky with the MG36. I always get huge recoil to the left and right.
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Post by MoopusMaximus on Jul 1, 2012 8:33:33 GMT -5
Hmm, seems I'm not very lucky with the MG36. I always get huge recoil to the left and right. Grip. Use it.
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Post by MoopusMaximus on Jul 1, 2012 8:36:49 GMT -5
Yeah but the PKP is the other LMG that sucks ass. Visual kick happens because of high recoil values mixed with very high center speed, causing the gun to bounce a lot. In terms of vertical recoil, the PKP is the worst, but also has a higher centerspeed than the MG36. But compared to something like the L86 or MK46, the MG36 has worse horizontal recoil and worse vertical recoil. Combine that with a lower centerspeed, lower fire rate, and terrible iron sights, and there really isn't any reason to pick up the gun. There are plenty of reasons to pick up the gun. I just stated them. The MG36 is the most versatile of LMGs. You can use all the proficiencies available, which some of the other LMGs cannot. Namely the M60 and PKP. MG36 is the only LMG that is really effective with Rapid Fire also. L8MK46 cannot because of the horrible GunKick. MG36 has no GunKick whatsoever. Laser accuracy also.
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Post by MoopusMaximus on Jul 1, 2012 9:05:42 GMT -5
Like I said that's why you use Grip. Increasing the Center Speed will make the gun super accurate. On the L8MK46, you still have that ugly GunKick with Grip on. There is nothing you can do to remedy the GunKick on the L8MK46 other than using Thermal. MG36 is definitely the best LMG to use with Irons.
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Post by MastaQ on Jul 1, 2012 9:18:32 GMT -5
Pre patch, I absolutely would have agreed with you. But, with all LMGs being a 3hk, and the L86 having less recoil (gun kick isn't an issue with Kick prof), I would much rather have that with a silencer + Kick.
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Post by probaddie on Jul 1, 2012 9:25:10 GMT -5
Those are ViewKick numbers, not GunKick. We actually have no idea what the GunKick numbers for any weapon are.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Jul 1, 2012 9:27:55 GMT -5
no u
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Post by cmck on Jul 1, 2012 10:39:22 GMT -5
I don't know why all of you think the PKP is inaccurate. With grip and silencer its great and the irons aren't bad.
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Post by Marvel4 on Jul 1, 2012 10:54:45 GMT -5
It's not particularly innacurate on its own. It's just because of what its up against. All ARs are notoriously accurate in this game. Fixed.
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Post by cmck on Jul 1, 2012 10:56:55 GMT -5
I find it to be the most accurate with this setup over all the others if they aren't using thermal. MK46 has way too much gunkick for irons and thermal turns it into a crappy L86. The L86 is infamous with thermal so I don't think I'll ever choose to use it without thermal. M60 is in its own little niche, but I run it with rapid fire and red dot. MG36 has an annoying tendency to not be able to sprint cancel the reload, but I find it less accurate at range with grip than the PKP. MG36 does have a faster rate of fire though.
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Post by mw2baller on Jul 1, 2012 11:34:42 GMT -5
After torturing myself by plowing through 1000 mg36 kills I can honestly say it sucks. Massive sway combined with the worst left and right recoil in the game makes is a terribad gun. Countless times I'd fire 3 shots which all kick left, then I'd adjust my aim only to have the center speed start swinging the sights back to the right, after which sway will bring me off target, and etc.
Yes this doesn't always happen, but this gun is #1 for screwing me over because of recoil.
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Post by Marvel4 on Jul 1, 2012 11:43:46 GMT -5
Yes, that's exactly what happens when I use it.
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Post by Dumien on Jul 1, 2012 13:03:06 GMT -5
I love the gun. But the roles I want my LMGs to fill are already completely covered and performed by my M60 and my LSW. My overkill search class with both those weapons performs awesomely as well. I do respect its niche as a heavy AR with many many bullets and very pretty irons, but you won't see me using it much. IMO it is the gateway drug between the ARs and the LMGs. My friends who used to only love ARs used this gun and the MP7 to switch over to true LMGs and SMGs. I agree. It's a great hybrid LMG. Performs much like an AR. I find it better than the M60 though because it's has a very high Fire Rate, something the M60 doesn't have. Using the Rapid Fire + Grip still retains the near-laser accuracy, while boosting the Fire Rate to dizzying levels. I love that combo a lot. It's super powerful. I should note it's the only LMG that can truly use Rapid Fire and be effective. Oh, and here's another thing. The M60 restricts your classes to one option. Atachments + Grip + Red Dot. Want Speed? Then you have to deal with the doo-doo recoil. Want Kick + Grip for awesome accuracy? Then you have to deal with the awful Iron Sights. This is huge for the MG36. The MG36 can use basically every profiency, and any attachment combo. I love it. Granted...though I use the M60 in a close range tactical waiting role. I actually use it with red dot + rapid fire because at that range the M60s outrageous kick is actually negligible. If I am using the M60 with overkill then I will use a gun that facilitates long range engagements. If I am not using overkill then my secondary is the mp9 which I use for any engagement outside of its 2 shot kill range. I have a video for evidence of my use of the M60 in this role if you wish (I don't want to self advertise). What I do give to the MG 36 is its versatility and natural handling. I do not give it the "best in close range" title.
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Post by mmacola on Jul 1, 2012 13:41:09 GMT -5
LOL, I was going to make a thread for this. But then I said "What the heck, there will be so much resistance and I'm not in the mood for replying"... but then you made the thread. Agree 100%. It's better than the L86, since you won't need any Thermal to help, which means a lot in terms of proficiency/attachments flexibility. And anyone who complain about a slower firerate is really dumb; the difference in ttk in 0.006. Come on.
BTW: Kick + Grip is like a laser. Even better if crouched.
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Post by Morshu on Jul 1, 2012 15:03:44 GMT -5
The MG36 and PKP are completely outclassed by the L86. L86 gets higher RoF, far better recoil, fast reloads and turns into a lazor beam when combined with the thermal. What advantages do the PKP/MG36 get over the L86? Nothing! And please do not mention anything minisicule like raise and drop times.
No matter how good you may think the PKP/MG36 may be, they are still pointless weapons to use due to being outclassed by the L86. IW really should of put more thought into the buff they did. The L86 was widely considered the best LMG even before the buff, now there is little question about whether it is the best or not. They need to give the PKP and MG36 some niche over the L86. Reducing the recoil would be a bad option as the L86 is already a lazor beam and would still be outclassed by the L86 due to its higher RoF. I would suggest giving the PKP 49-40 damage with a 1.1x torso multiplier. MG36 should get 3.5 second aim speeds and 85% run speed. It would be around perfect then.
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Post by Robospy on Jul 1, 2012 15:11:26 GMT -5
I like that MG36 having no GunKick because it means you can use it with Rapid Fire, MG36 Grip + Rapid Fire is a death laser, also it's really good for taking down air support (and you can destroy care package helis before they reach their destination)
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Post by Morshu on Jul 1, 2012 15:23:28 GMT -5
L86 rapid fire+thermal>MG36 rapid fire+ grip or thermal The recoil is so bad on the mg36 it does matter how low the gunkick is. Before the buff the MG36 and PKP at least had the advantage of more long range damage, now that is no longer the case. Some advantage for the PKP and MG36 would be nice.
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Post by ragnarok on Jul 1, 2012 15:39:47 GMT -5
What advantages do the PKP/MG36 get over the L86? Nothing! -Lesser GunKick - Aesthetics
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Post by asasa on Jul 1, 2012 15:52:30 GMT -5
If you can handle the horribad irons and muzzle flash, then Grip and Silencer MG36 is the best LMG, especially with Specialist.
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Post by Morshu on Jul 1, 2012 15:59:40 GMT -5
What advantages do the PKP/MG36 get over the L86? Nothing! -Lesser GunKick - AestheticsLess gunkick on a gun with horrible recoil is seasoning on rotten meat. It doesn't change the performance of the gun. Plus this advantage is erased when the the thermal is put on the L86.
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Post by cmck on Jul 1, 2012 16:00:07 GMT -5
L86 without thermal is bad, but the PKP and the MG36 with irons isn't. There is no reason not to use thermal on the L86. The L86 also seems to have worse gunkick than the PKP and MG36 so if you want an lmg without thermal (Maybe alot of assassins in the lobby?) the PKP and MG36 will be better options.
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Post by Morshu on Jul 1, 2012 16:06:55 GMT -5
Do we have numbers for the amount of gunkick the L86, PKP, and MG36? The gunkick for the MG36 and PKP is certainly proportionally less the L86 for the amount of recoil they have, but I'm not sure if they have less gunkick altogether.
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Post by cmck on Jul 1, 2012 16:12:38 GMT -5
Gun kick is a mystery. If you want to check the gun kick you could fire all three at a wall either plain or with the setup you'd run on them if not using thermal and see which lets you stay on target the most.
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Post by Marvel4 on Jul 1, 2012 16:13:09 GMT -5
L86: -30,-65,65,-65 PKP: 0,-65,-5,-45
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Post by cmck on Jul 1, 2012 16:14:26 GMT -5
^ We have gun kick? I thought we had view kick?
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Post by Marvel4 on Jul 1, 2012 16:15:39 GMT -5
Those are from this video:
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