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Post by asasa on Jul 24, 2012 13:01:00 GMT -5
Me too. Or something very similar. Need more weapons with predictable recoil. The SCAR in MW3 is not predictable at all, just as a side note. I thought it went up and to the right or is it like the g36c where it goes in one direction but is entirely random on how much it kicks? Yep, very random.
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Post by kirbyderby on Jul 24, 2012 15:22:22 GMT -5
just because you haven't figured out how to use a controller/mouse well enough to control the g36's recoil doesn't mean it has 'random' recoil. the ACR is random. not the g36. They're both random, the ACR being randomly left/right and the G36 being randomly strong kick/weak kick. On the other hand, they're both controllable due to relatively low/consistent kick and high centerspeed/easy burst control, respectively.
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Post by Lexapro on Jul 24, 2012 15:26:27 GMT -5
The G36C has vertical viewkick range of -35 - 75. This is one of the largest viewkick ranges in the game.
The ACR has vertical viewkick range of 30-35. This is the smallest viewkick range in the game.
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Post by Lexapro on Jul 24, 2012 16:01:58 GMT -5
Please explain what you mean by "controlling" the recoil. Are you just referring to bringing your point of aim down as you shoot?
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Post by wwaa on Jul 24, 2012 16:08:41 GMT -5
Please explain what you mean by "controlling" the recoil. Are you just referring to bringing your point of aim down as you shoot? my old screenshot ... .... The most amazing thing in MW3 ... SCAR-L and G36C at 666rpm ... Two magz fired .... Enjoy ... You cannot control ACR that way. It is always random. ACR, IMO, should be fired full auto without bursts.
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Post by wwaa on Jul 24, 2012 16:15:17 GMT -5
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Post by Lexapro on Jul 24, 2012 16:47:31 GMT -5
I have no idea what that proves. If you fire the weapon at an artificially low rate of fire, it's perfectly accurate? That's silly and has no application to actual gameplay. What does the ACR look like firing at 666 rpm?
Pulling your point of aim down on the G36 is effective at controlling recoil, but that doesn't change that the recoil is random, which was the original point of contention.
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Post by wwaa on Jul 24, 2012 17:00:55 GMT -5
What does the ACR look like firing at 666 rpm? 2 x 30-round G36C magz fired and 2 x 30-round ACR magz fired. Overkill used. G36C does not need Kick, ACR with Kick.
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Post by cmck on Jul 24, 2012 17:06:22 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity how low of a rof does it take to make the acr a laser with and without kick? 550 maybe? Or is it even lower than that.
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Post by wwaa on Jul 24, 2012 17:20:40 GMT -5
cmck>Just out of curiosity how low of a rof does it take to make the acr a laser with and without kick? 550 maybe? Or is it even lower than that. No, it is not posible, in MW3 only G36C, MK14 and SCAR-L can be laser guns (SCAR-L has some recoil still and is a bit less accurate than G36C) ACR+Kick at 200, 400 and 500 rpm:
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Post by wwaa on Jul 24, 2012 17:36:25 GMT -5
So you're telling me that something like the MP7, which has lower recoil values for every stat AND a higher centerspeed AND no gunkick does not get you that result. Below MP7 RF Kick full auto at: 500, 666, 900 and original on PC: 1083 rpm: and below copy paste from a different thread: looks like similar results ... MP7+Kick+RF at 1000 rpm, 3 magz fired, and the last one - full auto, 1083rpm. A small ROF reduction (8%) halves the recoil (50%).... 8 vs 50 ... Practically you receive a much better gun paying nothing for that ....
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Jul 24, 2012 17:43:42 GMT -5
The G36c does not have random recoil. I know it will kick upwards, therefore it has predictable recoil. But wait, there is more! You do not know by how much the G36c will kick if at all. So how can its recoil be described?wwa, may I ask you to test out the 666 RPM G36c out further? How does that maker any fu cking sense. That's not how numbers work. Bleh CoD is weird Idle Sway perhaps?
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Post by wwaa on Jul 24, 2012 17:46:32 GMT -5
^ LOL
@ Killerpuffball > wwa, may I ask you to test out the 666 RPM G36c out further?
sure, what do you need? have G36C ACOG+Ext Magz and kill snipers on Mission from C down to A ... but Barrett is better there.
@ mmacola
G36C recenters completely. In really long long range if not at 666 rpm, then at 600 rpm for sure.
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Post by mmacola on Jul 24, 2012 17:46:31 GMT -5
firetime * centerspeed/5 = Max Kick Recovery (666rpm) 0.091 * 1600/5 = ~30 G36c recoil with kick is 28 both horizontals, 28 down 60 up. As a result, 65% of the shots are recentered (if not the next shot will surely be just a little bit over the first)
Trolled wwa below
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Jul 24, 2012 18:01:20 GMT -5
^ LOL @ Killerpuffball > wwa, may I ask you to test out the 666 RPM G36c out further? sure, what do you need? have G36C ACOG+Ext Magz and kill snipers on Mission from C down to A ... but Barrett is better there. Slap kick and red dot and shoot at a wall that is far away. Lets see how accurate it is.
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Post by wwaa on Jul 24, 2012 18:11:03 GMT -5
MISSION, G36C as counter-sniper weapon: /standing/ We fire from C flag: RESULTS:
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Post by cmck on Jul 24, 2012 18:12:45 GMT -5
Wow, thats very accurate. Shows why the G36 is so effective burst compared to others.
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Post by mmacola on Jul 24, 2012 18:16:33 GMT -5
^ LOL @ Killerpuffball > wwa, may I ask you to test out the 666 RPM G36c out further? sure, what do you need? have G36C ACOG+Ext Magz and kill snipers on Mission from C down to A ... but Barrett is better there. @ mmacola G36C recenters completely. In really long long range if not at 666 rpm, then at 600 rpm for sure. Then something must be wrong on the charts. I just edited the Skorpion to have only 60 viewkick, 1600 centerspeed w/ 666rpm. Definitely no recenter. The chance of getting straight 60s is fairly small, however, so that doesn't prove much.
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Post by MoopusMaximus on Jul 24, 2012 18:20:51 GMT -5
MISSION, G36C as counter-sniper weapon: We fire from C flag: RESULTS: Wow, that's amazing.
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Post by wwaa on Jul 24, 2012 18:57:56 GMT -5
replacing Focus with Kick adds nothing ... G36C, Kick, Silencer, 666rpm /standing/ RESULTS:
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Post by mmacola on Jul 24, 2012 18:58:45 GMT -5
Try with Stability + Prone, should help with the sway
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Post by wwaa on Jul 24, 2012 19:12:21 GMT -5
Sure. PRONE+STABILITY this time. 30-rounds, firing was ADS, but screenshot not ADS, just to have a NICE view: RESULTS:
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Post by asasa on Jul 24, 2012 19:22:14 GMT -5
Its not bursting thats effective, though -- its rapid single firing.
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Post by wwaa on Jul 24, 2012 19:34:06 GMT -5
G36C, 666rpm, 30 rounds fired. PRONE KICK RESULTS:
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Post by mmacola on Jul 24, 2012 19:41:28 GMT -5
what about prone specialist bonus =O
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Post by wwaa on Jul 24, 2012 19:50:43 GMT -5
ACR, KICK, prone, 666rpm ... for comparison: RESULTS:
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Post by wwaa on Jul 24, 2012 20:06:06 GMT -5
MP7, Kick, Prone, 666 rpm RESULTS
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Post by y260 on Jul 25, 2012 0:53:56 GMT -5
The BO M14 was lovely indeed -- I even used it without a Grip and demolished. Speaking of the BO M14...was I the only one who really liked the iron sights? They might not of been the most open sights, but they had that cool WW2 M1 feel to them.
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Post by 8bitasplode on Jul 25, 2012 2:24:02 GMT -5
the M14 had good sights in Black Ops. They were only really a problem in CoD4 where they were purposefully obstructive.
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Post by prinsmp on Jul 26, 2012 3:06:07 GMT -5
Did I miss something??? How do you lower the RPM of a gun to 666? Or do you just tap the trigger?
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