danoski666
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Post by danoski666 on Nov 9, 2012 19:51:19 GMT -5
Weird. VagnDerpHurr said it does.
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Nov 9, 2012 19:54:35 GMT -5
Probably not direct impacts.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 9, 2012 20:35:12 GMT -5
So apparently Flak Jacket doesn't protect you from Hunter Killer drones. Reduces the damage from 1000 to 350. Heyo.
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Post by Usagi on Nov 10, 2012 18:42:42 GMT -5
I've been wondering about the Swarm. Is Cold-Blooded the only counter to being spawn killed 4-5 times by them?
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Post by Judge_St3vo on Nov 10, 2012 19:04:59 GMT -5
I've been wondering about the Swarm. Is Cold-Blooded the only counter to being spawn killed 4-5 times by them? Blind Eye, not cold-blooded. Cold-blooded protects against manual kill-streaks. Similar to blops, the red box around players shows up a second or two after the person spawns in. I'm assuming that with the AI kill-streaks, you have some initial spawn protection in that they won't target you. However, I don't think you'll find many games where people are earning the swarm.
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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 10, 2012 21:08:50 GMT -5
To everyone that has the game right now.. Did you guys recieve a 26mb update?
I wonder what it could be. Toys or anyone else who has recieved the 26mb update, can you check the damage of silencers on sniper rifles real quick? If it happens to be a gametuning patch, something tells me that the 3 sniper rifles are now affected by silencers. But I'm just taking a wild stab.
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Amirror
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Post by Amirror on Nov 10, 2012 21:16:37 GMT -5
To everyone that has the game right now.. Did you guys recieve a 26mb update? I wonder what it could be. Toys or anyone else who has recieved the 26mb update, can you check the damage of silencers on sniper rifles real quick? If it happens to be a gametuning patch, something tells me that the 3 sniper rifles are now affected by silencers. But I'm just taking a wild stab. It may be that, but I also hope it's a R870, M1216, and S12 buff.
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arcanine2009
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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 10, 2012 21:30:06 GMT -5
To everyone that has the game right now.. Did you guys recieve a 26mb update? I wonder what it could be. Toys or anyone else who has recieved the 26mb update, can you check the damage of silencers on sniper rifles real quick? If it happens to be a gametuning patch, something tells me that the 3 sniper rifles are now affected by silencers. But I'm just taking a wild stab. It may be that, but I also hope it's a R870, M1216, and S12 buff. Why do you think R870 needs a buff?
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Post by Brick2urface on Nov 10, 2012 21:45:15 GMT -5
A buff to hipfire accuracy would be nice. It is truely hot garbage from the hip. Without knowing the exact damages I don't know if we can call for buffs to anything else. But we can 100% confirm that shotguns are horibly horible from the hip. Which is hilarious because smg laser hipfire is great.
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Post by Judge_St3vo on Nov 11, 2012 1:31:00 GMT -5
A buff to hipfire accuracy would be nice. It is truely hot garbage from the hip. Without knowing the exact damages I don't know if we can call for buffs to anything else. But we can 100% confirm that shotguns are horibly horible from the hip. Which is hilarious because smg laser hipfire is great. Been watching a couple livestreams today. Hilarious seeing people fail with the shotguns, especially the KSG. No one knows that aiming down site improves accuracy. Just watched a guy play gun game. Don't think he realized that the ksg fires 1 slug.
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Amirror
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Post by Amirror on Nov 11, 2012 1:34:05 GMT -5
It may be that, but I also hope it's a R870, M1216, and S12 buff. Why do you think R870 needs a buff? I've already seen gameplay/livestreams of it getting 4 hitmarkers without a kill. Now that's ridiculous, even for hip-firing standards. Same with the M1216 and the S12, which sometimes get even more. I only think KSG is good. Also all shotguns but the KSG have ridiculously low range. Why use the R870 over any other shotgun when it virtually has the same range and close damage to them with much lower ROF?
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Post by Brick2urface on Nov 11, 2012 1:39:40 GMT -5
Why do you think R870 needs a buff? I've already seen gameplay/livestreams of it getting 4 hitmarkers without a kill. Now that's ridiculous, even for hip-firing standards. Same with the M1216 and the S12, which sometimes get even more. I only think KSG is good. I just went 109-14 with the bf3 spas with slugs. We'll see how "good" it is by comparison in a few days.
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Post by Judge_St3vo on Nov 11, 2012 1:40:36 GMT -5
Why do you think R870 needs a buff? I've already seen gameplay/livestreams of it getting 4 hitmarkers without a kill. Now that's ridiculous, even for hip-firing standards. Same with the M1216 and the S12, which sometimes get even more. I only think KSG is good. Also all shotguns but the KSG have ridiculously low range. Why use the R870 over any other shotgun when it virtually has the same range and close damage to them with much lower ROF? Hip-firing sucks and nobody I've watched play realizes that. Think the secret that ADS improves accuracy hasn't left here yet.
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Amirror
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Post by Amirror on Nov 11, 2012 1:43:39 GMT -5
I've already seen gameplay/livestreams of it getting 4 hitmarkers without a kill. Now that's ridiculous, even for hip-firing standards. Same with the M1216 and the S12, which sometimes get even more. I only think KSG is good. I just went 109-14 with the bf3 spas with slugs. We'll see how "good" it is by comparison in a few days. Statistically the R870 is horrible too, and will need a buff if kept the same. I like what they did with the KSG though, but I think it'll get nerfed to the point of uselessness later on because of whiney quickscoping kids.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 11, 2012 1:48:36 GMT -5
It may be that, but I also hope it's a R870, M1216, and S12 buff. Why do you think R870 needs a buff? Because it's a manual action shotgun that can't 1HK after 20ft which means the DMG must start dropping of at around 10-15ft. Think about it. A manual action shotgun that shoots 7 pellets, completely ineffective from the hip even with Steady Aim, and has an effective range of 10-15ft.
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Post by Judge_St3vo on Nov 11, 2012 1:50:53 GMT -5
So, when do we start harassing Vonderhaar to buff the shotguns?
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Amirror
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Post by Amirror on Nov 11, 2012 1:50:55 GMT -5
I've already seen gameplay/livestreams of it getting 4 hitmarkers without a kill. Now that's ridiculous, even for hip-firing standards. Same with the M1216 and the S12, which sometimes get even more. I only think KSG is good. Also all shotguns but the KSG have ridiculously low range. Why use the R870 over any other shotgun when it virtually has the same range and close damage to them with much lower ROF? Hip-firing sucks and nobody I've watched play realizes that. Think the secret that ADS improves accuracy hasn't left here yet. Still have seen 2+ hitmarkers at a close range with R870 in Livestreams while ADSing. Problem is the R870 only has 7 pellets, lowest of the shotgun class. If it's a 3 pellet kill minimum (likely), this puts it at 3/7, while the M1216/S12 will be likely minimum pellets to kill 5/8, or 6/8. That would not be good. The tradeoff would be for a small percentage increase in getting a OSK. (No reason to use a pump action with virtually the same range, lower ROF, less ammo, barely higher OSK range than a semi-auto/full auto.)
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 11, 2012 1:53:09 GMT -5
The M1216 and Saiga are most likely 15-5(7/8) from game plays seen. May god have mercy on DeeJay Vahn for the crimes he's committed.
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Brick2urface
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Post by Brick2urface on Nov 11, 2012 2:07:32 GMT -5
I am already buying the war paint.
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Nov 11, 2012 2:34:34 GMT -5
So, when do we start harassing Vonderhaar to buff the shotguns? Now
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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 11, 2012 3:53:59 GMT -5
7 pellets is fair enough.. They do need to get buffed.
Well, why don't people recheck the shotguns? Maybe that 26mb update had some gametuning updates, including shotguns?
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danoski666
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Post by danoski666 on Nov 11, 2012 11:30:50 GMT -5
7 pellets is fair enough.. They do need to get buffed. Well, why don't people recheck the shotguns? Maybe that 26mb update had some gametuning updates, including shotguns? That's KSG-12 from MW3 without proficiencies and shorter range. Cool.
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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 11, 2012 14:11:41 GMT -5
^^No, I mean its fair enough to buff it. I'm all for buffing it/increasing pellet by 1.
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Post by danoski666 on Nov 11, 2012 14:13:58 GMT -5
Oh. Now that I notice, I completely ignored everything after that part and rage-responded. Forget that.
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Post by rubixx on Nov 11, 2012 15:35:57 GMT -5
I testing the R870 pellet count and I'm pretty sure it has 8 pellets. Did I fail at counting?
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Post by tiesieman on Nov 11, 2012 15:47:32 GMT -5
7 pellets, because it has 50 damage
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Post by Amirror on Nov 11, 2012 15:47:54 GMT -5
I testing the R870 pellet count and I'm pretty sure it has 8 pellets. Did I fail at counting? Whether it's 7 pellets or 8 pellets (probably 7), gameplay shows it being very weak even with Long Barrel ADSing at close ranges. It needs either more damage, 1 or 2 more pellets, and/or smaller spread overall. Try again, and see if it's 7 pellets or 8 pellets. Test it on a large clean wall, don't use laser sight, and hip-fire from a medium range.
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Nov 11, 2012 16:00:44 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]It better has 12 pellets[/glow]
The only way 7 pellets could ever be balanced is with 50 damage per pellet. And a ranged damage of 20. And you know, actual range.
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Post by rubixx on Nov 11, 2012 16:23:09 GMT -5
Yeah R870 has 8 pellets FYI. Just tested it.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 11, 2012 16:27:14 GMT -5
yay, so even w/ 8 pellets, long barrel, and massive ADS bonus it's still the definition of sub par.
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