Tyzerra
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Post by Tyzerra on Nov 12, 2012 3:42:32 GMT -5
The problem with shotguns is consistency (or should I say IN-consistency) correct? AR's, SMG's, LMG's, Snipers, etc always act roughly the same when you shoot them. They're reliable and consistent. All shotguns need is a fixed spread pattern. Look at the KSG now. It fires 1 slug in the same place every time (ADS, of course) which is why we all agree that it's pretty good now.
Fixed pellet spread patterns; it needs to happen.
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Nov 12, 2012 3:51:16 GMT -5
Fixed pellet spread patterns; it needs to happen. Or just super tight ADS spreads. I remember some really cool bro tested out Den's idea for a 20-5 x 8 2 degree spread shotgun. It worked well. But I might have the stats wrong.
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Post by Tyzerra on Nov 12, 2012 4:08:10 GMT -5
Fixed pellet spread patterns; it needs to happen. Or just super tight ADS spreads. I remember some really cool bro tested out Den's idea for a 20-5 x 8 2 degree spread shotgun. It worked well. But I might have the stats wrong. Oh yeah, I remember that! They modded a W1200 on Cod4 right? Yeah, I think further testing for precise figures needs to happen on that. It was freaking cool to watch too
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Post by anthraxx on Nov 12, 2012 8:58:35 GMT -5
Definitely not 3 lol Looking at his graph how High on CoD4 was 2 sensitivities higher on BO2 I'm thinking more along the lines of 5.
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Post by quickbuck on Nov 12, 2012 11:39:05 GMT -5
Anyone have anything solid on exactly how big the shotgun hipspreads are yet?
Obviously they are very large, but because of the moving change it is hard to tell exactly how large.
How do they compare to the orginal Black Ops (which were 5-8 except stakeout 4-7). How much bigger in Blops 2?
Good news on the R870 being 8 pellets, at least.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 12, 2012 11:41:57 GMT -5
Appears to be same as BO1 shotguns as the spread looks like it is between ARs and LMGs.
Personally, it's really hard to tell as a PC bro, since the higher FOV on PC makes hip spreads look dramatically smaller.
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Post by danoski666 on Nov 12, 2012 12:49:56 GMT -5
Damn... my sensitivity in BO2 should be 5.6. I think I'll settle for 6.
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Post by notanon on Nov 12, 2012 13:08:59 GMT -5
So I heard the KSG has a headshot multiplier.
Does this mean I can get ridiculously far 1 shot headshots?
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 12, 2012 13:48:04 GMT -5
Slugs disappear after 1400ish units.
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Post by ace22 on Nov 12, 2012 14:47:55 GMT -5
Has anyone checked out the Vector yet? Looking at stats, I can't tell if it has anything going for it.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 12, 2012 15:00:13 GMT -5
So I heard the KSG has a headshot multiplier. That weapons sheet in other thread puts the KSG as 200-74 damage. Since the slug stops an inch after it reaches 74 damage, the slug should be a one shot kill to the head for virtually its entire range.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 12, 2012 16:22:31 GMT -5
Has anyone checked out the Vector yet? Looking at stats, I can't tell if it has anything going for it. You learn to expect that.
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Post by toysrme on Nov 12, 2012 17:51:00 GMT -5
ive been rolling the vector like a champ. i love it.
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Post by ace22 on Nov 12, 2012 19:26:35 GMT -5
Well, what makes it stand out? Recoil?
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Post by toysrme on Nov 12, 2012 20:11:04 GMT -5
it stands out because it's available early in the game. im not saying its better than the even faster firing chicom or the godly skorp. you just get it early and it's easy to laugh at people in CQB. even out to medium ranges.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 12, 2012 20:13:30 GMT -5
The Vector is all powerful.
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Post by toysrme on Nov 12, 2012 20:18:43 GMT -5
In regards to MW2, "Even at normal Health, there's no other choice than the Vector" - Den Kirson
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Post by Amirror on Nov 12, 2012 21:04:01 GMT -5
06:52 - 08:30 M1216 Gameplay. Notice how much horrible he did with it compared to the other weapons. If he started with it throughout the whole gameplay, he would've gone negative. Also LOL at 08:37 he says the shotgun is "brutal". Yeah, brutal at getting hitmarkers.
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Post by ace22 on Nov 13, 2012 0:48:37 GMT -5
What the hell kind of damage does that shotgun do in order for it to not kill someone after four shots?
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Post by mmacola on Nov 13, 2012 2:03:31 GMT -5
What the hell kind of damage does that shotgun do in order for it to not kill someone after four shots? Just ADS with it. Really. Those guys don't know what they are doing
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 13, 2012 10:04:58 GMT -5
SMGs can kill reliably from the hip at ranges where shotgun pellets dissipate.
ADSing with shotguns dramatically improves them…but still leaves them entirely uncompetitive in their niche.
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Post by blues27xx on Nov 13, 2012 13:07:17 GMT -5
Yeah, per shell. >_> Inb4 m1216 does 1 damage per-pellet at max range.
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Post by mmacola on Nov 13, 2012 13:30:15 GMT -5
SMGs can kill reliably from the hip at ranges where shotgun pellets dissipate. ADSing with shotguns dramatically improves them…but still leaves them entirely uncompetitive in their niche. The 1 shot kill potential is huge. Plus multiple hitscans = big flinch. If anything else, you can use them as secondaries without need of any attachments, only ADS.
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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 13, 2012 13:31:26 GMT -5
SMGs can kill reliably from the hip at ranges where shotgun pellets dissipate. ADSing with shotguns dramatically improves them…but still leaves them entirely uncompetitive in their niche. The 1 shot kill potential is huge. Plus multiple hitscans = big flinch. If anything else, you can use them as secondaries without need of any attachments, only ADS. Think I'm gonna use a sniper class, and r870 w/ silencer. BTW, any word from getting stats ripped from PC?
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Post by mmacola on Nov 13, 2012 15:54:01 GMT -5
Yay! Bro testing :3
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