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Post by blues27xx on Nov 7, 2012 13:30:56 GMT -5
Aww jeez this is gonna become a thing, isn't it? My weapon is a cheez-it NO NOT A CHEESE IT! MY ONLY WEAKNESS AUUUUUUUUGGGHGHHHHHH
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Post by volgon on Nov 7, 2012 13:32:58 GMT -5
According to Toys's data, it seems to be 3 Assault riffles with the same TTK at short range: MTAR, Type25 and the AN-94 ! They kill in 0.28 second at CQB range. Does any bro can confirm this ? And what about Scar's complete data ? For one, you're not calculating Time to Kill correctly. It's (60/RPM)x(BTK-1). Secondly, the RPM values don't match up with what Den calculated them to be in another thread: MTAR = 750, AN-94 = 900 initial burst, 600 after, Type 25 = 937 (this would all be on PC where frame limitation is no issue). Knowing this, TTKs become: MTAR: .16 Type 25: .192 AN-94: .166 (if you connect first two bullets + a third) or .2 (if you don't)
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Post by blues27xx on Nov 7, 2012 13:34:53 GMT -5
How fast does the AN94's two bullet burst reset though? That could make it amazing for tap firing, depending on how long you have to wait to get the RPM boost again.
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Post by tiesieman on Nov 7, 2012 13:35:09 GMT -5
I approve of the Lee-Enfield, but FALs are really ugly rifles
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 7, 2012 13:56:12 GMT -5
y u no have AA-12 irl
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Post by tiesieman on Nov 7, 2012 13:58:48 GMT -5
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 7, 2012 14:41:41 GMT -5
How fast does the AN94's two bullet burst reset though? I'm hoping that merely skipping the third bullet will be sufficient to regain the RPM bonus. ...but that might be too powerful. Combined with a macro, you'd have some fun. If we assume burst RPM of 937.5 and overall fire rate of 600 and that you must skip the third bullet to regain the burst RPM, you'd have an effective fire rate of ~730, which is faster than the MTAR, albeit with a ton more recoil.
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Post by toysrme on Nov 7, 2012 15:16:27 GMT -5
All AR's and SMG's have selective fire (burst/auto).
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Post by danoski666 on Nov 7, 2012 15:18:19 GMT -5
yay 3HK 1200RPM SMG.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 7, 2012 15:38:35 GMT -5
And nopony believed me >.>
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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 7, 2012 15:40:59 GMT -5
FMG9 is back. Imagine it in full auto mode. looool
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Post by danoski666 on Nov 7, 2012 15:44:22 GMT -5
Chicom Select Fire, Fast Mag 3 FJ-AA 4 Ghost/FJ 7 Scav 8 Awareness, Dead Silence 10 UAV-Hunter Killer-Lightning Strike
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Post by Brick2urface on Nov 7, 2012 15:50:41 GMT -5
Oh this is gonna be good.
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Post by tiesieman on Nov 7, 2012 15:58:50 GMT -5
well looks like we found the best shotgun
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Post by toysrme on Nov 7, 2012 16:01:10 GMT -5
AFAIC to test, selective fire doesnt change the damage output.
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Post by Brick2urface on Nov 7, 2012 16:03:14 GMT -5
Chicom with select fire, laser, and emags=pp90m1 reborn. The nightmare lives on.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 7, 2012 16:07:36 GMT -5
Kan you use select fire on the SMR/FAL?
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Post by toysrme on Nov 7, 2012 16:08:30 GMT -5
The switch from Auto to Burst is instant. you can do it during firing.
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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 7, 2012 16:17:06 GMT -5
Wait do we really have a confirmation that Chicom is a 3 hit kill? in toys spreadsheet, it says 4 since last night.
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Post by toysrme on Nov 7, 2012 16:19:39 GMT -5
yes selective fire does from semi to auto.
wow i ahte google documents. it takes way too much effort to live update it. so ima just do it in excel and update it less often.
changed the layout also. front page is general info and damage will be individual sheets. i may not do all the ranges listed. its a time/effort thing. ill post pictures of shooting locations later. (FWIW i haven't seen a weapon/sight that reads range so...)
LMG's do change their rate of fire. The HAMR averages about 600rpm over an extended 100mag clip. the first 8 bullets it fires are at or slightly over 1000rpm.
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Post by ElysMustache on Nov 7, 2012 16:24:02 GMT -5
I owned a CETME. Cheap gun, and I got what I paid for. Jammed incesantly and could barely group on a paper plate at a hundred yards from a bench rest.
Then I spent some real money and got a Noveske M4. Grouped 7 rounds into .87" at 100 yards (14.5" barrel).
CETMEs are garbage.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 7, 2012 16:28:39 GMT -5
The HAMR averages about 600rpm over an extended 100mag clip. the first 8 bullets it fires are at or slightly over 1000rpm. That's gnarly: burst LMGs. Who would have dunk?
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Post by -3055- on Nov 7, 2012 16:31:37 GMT -5
so it'll be like the mk46 but with INTENTIONAL rof changes? nice.
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Post by mrdeeds on Nov 7, 2012 16:39:09 GMT -5
To add to what toys said, the hamr so far is the weapon that I've liked the best. It's reminiscent of the MG4 from MW2.
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Post by toysrme on Nov 7, 2012 17:07:53 GMT -5
I owned a CETME. Cheap gun, and I got what I paid for. Jammed incesantly and could barely group on a paper plate at a hundred yards from a bench rest. Then I spent some real money and got a Noveske M4. Grouped 7 rounds into .87" at 100 yards (14.5" barrel). CETMEs are garbage. mines great. feeds everything. buddy of mine bought it and his wife was pissy about it. so "we kept it at my place" turned into "Hey man wanna buy it cheap?". it's minute of deer accurate. hits anything i can see. when i want more accuracy i go for the lee-enfield with hand loaded .303 british. or i pull out one of my match .30-30's. what they give up in bullet drop i gain back from having them over 20 years. (An 18" carbine and the full 24" rifle).
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Post by beavernator on Nov 7, 2012 17:31:43 GMT -5
So... that means no Big Ammo? Not buying it. Don't get me wrong; I'm also hoping that big ammo's coming back. I just don't see why Treyarch would put in a 100% magazines size boost for all LMGs over a 50% boost when almost every gun has roughly a ~33% boost with the attachment.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 7, 2012 18:09:42 GMT -5
I just don't see why Treyarch would put in a 100% magazines size boost for all LMGs over a 50% boost when almost every gun has roughly a ~33% boost with the attachment. To apologize for previous attempts at making LMGs.
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Post by toysrme on Nov 7, 2012 18:11:55 GMT -5
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Post by tiesieman on Nov 7, 2012 18:16:06 GMT -5
Hey, i was right on something for a change.
SMR = 2 shots flat, FAL = 50-40
I think the SMR has a slower cap though, is that true toys?
Oh and thanks for the effort
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Post by darius on Nov 7, 2012 18:42:09 GMT -5
Scar-H seriously has 240 shots in reserve?
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