tiesieman
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Post by tiesieman on Nov 15, 2012 4:43:29 GMT -5
The best form of flattery is imitation
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Post by volgon on Nov 15, 2012 5:05:38 GMT -5
The 870 is actually pretty popular. I see a lot of people using it, but all they do is hipfire and they wonder how I go 60-15 in Multi-team hardpoint when they are struggling to get even a couple of kills... Then they give up and return to generic assault rifle/smg. It's still very interesting to see how everyone else adapts when you dominate with a weapon (particularly shotguns), by coping your choice. I hip fire mine and do very well with it, Laser + Long Barrel. I'll take the speed I can get a shot off the hip over the precision of a slow aimed shot. I don't think it's as bad off the hip as people seem to think it is, having the potential for a 2HK helps out a lot.
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Post by quickbuck on Nov 15, 2012 6:21:28 GMT -5
I agree, hipfired with LB & Laser it is as reliable as any hipfired shotgun post MW2. The slightly faster fire rate also gives you a realistic chance with multiple opponents, or to ADS second shot someone who's in flinch from a hipfired first one.
It's a shame that you have to use both attachments to get the gun usable, it is a high cost, but I have to say: I'm pretty happy with Ole Pumpy.
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Post by MoopusMaximus on Nov 15, 2012 8:43:26 GMT -5
I already have gold on the 870.
So fucking cool.
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Post by MoopusMaximus on Nov 15, 2012 8:44:47 GMT -5
Also,
I have two 60-kill games with it. If you aim down your sights, it's a reliable monster.
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Nov 15, 2012 8:45:14 GMT -5
Now it's time to prestige that, Moopus. :L
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Post by volgon on Nov 15, 2012 12:49:09 GMT -5
You only get gold after you prestige your gun twice, I think he's got that covered
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Post by MoopusMaximus on Nov 15, 2012 15:04:37 GMT -5
You only get gold after you prestige your gun twice, I think he's got that covered No you don't...
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Amirror
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Post by Amirror on Nov 15, 2012 15:25:15 GMT -5
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Post by MoopusMaximus on Nov 15, 2012 15:31:00 GMT -5
Typical shotgun haters. Bandwagoners. Like Obama supporters.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 15, 2012 15:32:31 GMT -5
Nerf the M1216 and Saiga.
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Post by MoopusMaximus on Nov 15, 2012 15:34:24 GMT -5
Buff the Executioner.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 15, 2012 15:36:08 GMT -5
Almost the weakest shotguns this series has ever seen...
When we're done with the shotguns, you'll think the trench gun was good.
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Amirror
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Post by Amirror on Nov 15, 2012 15:36:48 GMT -5
uG I FLAME says: "I have no kills with it, but I know people who use it and I have been killed by it. And like I said, aiming is very easy. And I know it would be useless without a ohk, but that's the point, I wish it was useless, along with snipers, anything that can 1 shot is never truly balanced, it just has downsides to it, which is a meta-game, not balance." Yeah, you know nothing. You haven't used it, and you're saying it's OP just because you're getting owned by it? F**k off. Link to comment: community.callofduty.com/message/413542486#413542486
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Robospy
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Post by Robospy on Nov 15, 2012 15:38:51 GMT -5
"I've never even attempted to use it, but when I was killed by it, it looked really easy to use in the killcam!"
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Nov 15, 2012 15:39:18 GMT -5
OP updated, give many thanks to marvel.
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Post by MoopusMaximus on Nov 15, 2012 15:40:16 GMT -5
The extreme hypocrisy of the CoD community is funny.
" I HATE SHOTGAWNS THEY'RE OP!" *Proceeds to run around with an ACR/Mp7/MSMC/Type-25
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Amirror
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Post by Amirror on Nov 15, 2012 15:51:52 GMT -5
Based on updated info here's what each shotgun needs IMO.
R870: 50-15 damage instead of 50-10 and increase overall range. Maximum damage range needs to be increased as well, but slightly.
Saiga 12: 30-10 damage instead of 30-5 and slightly more overall range.
M1216: 25-10 damage instead of 25-5. No other change needed.
KSG: It's fine, for now.
Executioner: 30-14 damage instead of 30-5. Makes it a very short ranged, yet the most powerful pistol and actually decent with akimbo.
Anything that should be changed/added/removed from this shotgun buff list?
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mmacola
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Post by mmacola on Nov 15, 2012 16:01:53 GMT -5
Executioner: 30-10. Still weak, but the nature of it being a semi-auto and a secondary would make it ok.
M1216: 25-8, needs 13 pellets out of 32. Good enough, not OP I guess.
Saiga is good as you said it
R870: 50-15 is good too.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 15, 2012 16:05:07 GMT -5
I updated my shotgun chart.
Can someone get me the spreads (hip, ADS, and akimbo) for the Exe as well as its fire rate?
Based on these numbers...there is effectively no reason to use the Saiga over the M1216 save sustained fire. However, since you're probably dead if you haven't killed your target in four shots, this should only be relevant when dealing with multiple enemies in very short succession.
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Amirror
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Post by Amirror on Nov 15, 2012 16:22:43 GMT -5
Executioner: 30-10. Still weak, but the nature of it being a semi-auto and a secondary would make it ok. Well, Executioner has the most lowest range, and the Tac-45 pistol has higher ROF and 2SK capabilities nearly longer than the total range of the Executioner, so I think it should have high damage to make up for that. I'll change it to 30-14 damage then, making it a 3-8 pellet kill. 3-8 pellet kill within only 10M is not bad, and certainly not OP.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 15, 2012 17:33:16 GMT -5
Game hasn't even been out for a week. Give the fantasy guns (and Treyarch) some time.
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Post by kittymulcher on Nov 15, 2012 17:38:51 GMT -5
I still think the executioner is fine, because of the fact that it has pistol swap speeds. Single one does anyway. That means it doesn't need to be used where it hurts the least, and preserves it's best use, in my opinion, as a GTFouttamahface secondary.
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Post by mmacola on Nov 15, 2012 18:02:55 GMT -5
I still think the executioner is fine, because of the fact that it has pistol swap speeds. Single one does anyway. That means it doesn't need to be used where it hurts the least, and preserves it's best use, in my opinion, as a GTFouttamahface secondary. Agreed. It shouldn't be used as a primary. Rather, as a finisher. The fact that you can deal 60-90 damage in a single shot means it complements most weapons damage, and would work greatly to finish enemies.
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Amirror
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Post by Amirror on Nov 15, 2012 18:12:11 GMT -5
I still think the executioner is fine, because of the fact that it has pistol swap speeds. Single one does anyway. That means it doesn't need to be used where it hurts the least, and preserves it's best use, in my opinion, as a GTFouttamahface secondary. Why use the Executioner when the Tac-45 can do the same exact thing with numerous more advantages? The Executioner is outclassed by the Tac-45.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 15, 2012 18:15:14 GMT -5
The BLOPS2 shotguns are fine, they just need to remove the reticule bloom.
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Post by kittymulcher on Nov 15, 2012 18:24:32 GMT -5
Because amirror, you can miss with the tac45. It's a lot harder to miss with a shotty pistol.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 15, 2012 18:43:06 GMT -5
I can also not miss. I cannot make pellets cease disappearing after 10 feet.
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Post by bobo on Nov 15, 2012 20:57:21 GMT -5
I haven't studied the stats, but the 870 doesn't feel that good to me. At least not as good as the 1887 or KSG I got used to in MW3. Hipfire speard too big? Range dropoff too quick? Maybe more pellets? I'm using long barrel and laser and it is really just so-so to me.
And your aim has to be just about perfect when ADSing. I don't mind the latter so much, but you are usually dead if you don't get spot on for that first shot with it's ROF. It's easy for any decent opponent with the typical spray and pray weapon to just quickly spray you down. Maybe it's just hard to find balance in a game with such fast TTK's.
I know it's early, I'll play more, but I'm not sure about this shotty at least.
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Amirror
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Post by Amirror on Nov 15, 2012 21:49:30 GMT -5
Because amirror, you can miss with the tac45. It's a lot harder to miss with a shotty pistol. That won't matter since even shots that hit aren't always going to do much damage, likely less damage than all other pistols, especially the 2SK pistols. Not to mention Executioner has the lowest RPM of the pistols, and lowest clip, which is half the clip of the Tac-45. So actually the Tac-45 is more forgiving, since you can pull off shots faster, have more shots to fire with, less recoil so it can be aimed better, and usually more damage.
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