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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Dec 7, 2012 15:07:23 GMT -5
Huzzah!!! they left LMGs alone They can't nerf what they don't have data on. World wide there are probably a total of 42 combined LMGee kills.
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asasa
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Post by asasa on Dec 7, 2012 15:08:26 GMT -5
Megaqwerty: I dont know, I guess I just figure I tend to die right as I realize I triggered a betty. +100ms gives me enough time to press crouch, then. 200ms would allow even more people to press crouch. We will see.. And yeah, I got a Achieva/Shimian though. I wanted the glass cover. iamthehater: Maybe I just never noticed the sway, but it never bothered me. Not enough long range engagements for it to matter [at least, not that I noticed]
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Post by markopolo on Dec 7, 2012 15:22:02 GMT -5
Huzzah!!! they left LMGs alone They can't nerf what they don't have data on. World wide there are probably a total of 42 combined LMGee kills. Hater.
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Dec 7, 2012 15:50:38 GMT -5
What's next an M1216 and executioner nerf?
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Post by Megaqwerty on Dec 7, 2012 15:57:35 GMT -5
Megaqwerty: I dont know, I guess I just figure I tend to die right as I realize I triggered a betty. Well, that's disappointing. I thought the patch nerfed the fuse time not the trigger time so as to prevent, say, people tossing betties at objectives and using them as autonomous C4s. Carry on, sir, I agree that 200 ms is way too long of a delay for the trigger.
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asasa
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Post by asasa on Dec 7, 2012 15:58:32 GMT -5
Oh, well shit. Then thats not going to do jack shit for me.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Dec 7, 2012 16:00:05 GMT -5
Nah, you were right.
Patch says: "Bouncing Betty: increased grace period between trigger and activation by 200 ms."
Trigger most likely refers to an enemy entering its radius, not the fuse time.
The trigger time is fine. They just need to nerf the fuse time to prevent exactly what I mentioned.
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Dec 7, 2012 18:46:01 GMT -5
I thought Betties were perfectly fine. The fact that all you have to do to be perfectly safe is crouch inside of a completely realistic reaction window made it fair. I don't think I'll be using them over c4 ever now.
This is the kind of thing that almost makes SBMM look relevant to me. Obviously somebody is dying to them for them to get a nerf, but it's nobody in lobbies I play in. Even in FFA, pretty much everybody crouches them. The only times I see them really get kills in when they're set near cars, etc.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Dec 7, 2012 19:07:14 GMT -5
If you place a betty on an inclined surface, the safe area is dramatically reduced and the effectiveness increases dramatically.
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richardj
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Post by richardj on Dec 7, 2012 21:52:45 GMT -5
This gives you more time to do the crouch which many of the times I don't have enough time to do...I hope I understand this right. Agreed the trigger time needs to be nerfedas well.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Dec 8, 2012 17:48:33 GMT -5
Den uses the terms prep and detonate times.
Prep time is the amount of time it takes the device to prepare itself for detonation. During this time, it cannot be triggered.
Detonation time is the amount of the time the device takes to explode following detection of an enemy. This is the time that has been increased.
I believe that the detonation time was fine and that it was the prep time that needed to be increased, but, eh, logic.
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Post by moyer on Dec 14, 2012 22:06:43 GMT -5
The SWAT556 nerf makes it obvious that the previous low recoil on full auto was just a glitch/oversight of the Dev's and they felt the need to correct it. It definitely didn't make the gun unbalanced.
No wonder I was having more trouble counter-sniping with the full auto FAL in the last few days...
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Post by hyperion on Dec 19, 2012 23:31:39 GMT -5
Game settings just changed while i was playing. Is there a new patch out?
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Post by RageHulkSmash on Dec 20, 2012 3:32:23 GMT -5
Game settings just changed while i was playing. Is there a new patch out? I got the update too. Probably just a small, irrelevant update though.
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Post by Slick on Dec 20, 2012 9:18:32 GMT -5
"Game setting" updates go out every day, it's nothing that's disclosed to us, it's all behind the scenes.
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Post by hyperion on Dec 20, 2012 11:28:56 GMT -5
"Game setting" updates go out every day, it's nothing that's disclosed to us, it's all behind the scenes. great so stealth nerfs
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Post by bluespark on Dec 20, 2012 14:36:58 GMT -5
Cue the conspiracy theories.
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Post by hyperion on Dec 20, 2012 18:36:11 GMT -5
Cue the conspiracy theories. the world will end tomorrow, cya
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Post by Usagi on Dec 20, 2012 21:56:06 GMT -5
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Post by RageHulkSmash on Jan 11, 2013 9:42:50 GMT -5
Did PC ever get that last balance patch that nerfed SMGs and SF ARs?
And speaking of, wth at the betty nerf? Did any of you guys actually notice the nerf? It feels just as difficult to dodge as before.
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Post by danoski666 on Jan 11, 2013 11:42:21 GMT -5
Did PC ever get that last balance patch that nerfed SMGs and SF ARs? And speaking of, wth at the betty nerf? Did any of you guys actually notice the nerf? It feels just as difficult to dodge as before. I noticed that as long as I don`t have my head up my ass, I can easily duck before it explodes. Dunno about you.
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Post by morriscat on Jan 11, 2013 12:40:06 GMT -5
And speaking of, wth at the betty nerf? Did any of you guys actually notice the nerf? It feels just as difficult to dodge as before. I noticed a DRAMATIC reduction in the lethality of my own betties after the nerf, to the point that I just stopped using them entirely in place of Claymores.
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Post by blues27xx on Jan 11, 2013 12:44:18 GMT -5
lolwat Maybe that's why treyarch can't make games for shit, they don't actually know jack about their playerbase.
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Post by danoski666 on Jan 11, 2013 12:55:49 GMT -5
And speaking of, wth at the betty nerf? Did any of you guys actually notice the nerf? It feels just as difficult to dodge as before. I noticed a DRAMATIC reduction in the lethality of my own betties after the nerf, to the point that I just stopped using them entirely in place of Claymores. Even if there wasnt any nerf, it could be because the playerbase is more aware of them. Or not.
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Post by blues27xx on Jan 11, 2013 14:45:20 GMT -5
There's a fairly dramatic difference. At launch, if you didn't hear the beep you where dead, now you can duck as soon as you hear the whir and still live. I still hate dolphin diving into the damn things though.
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Post by asasa on Jan 11, 2013 15:01:31 GMT -5
I still die when crouched a lot. It seems with even the most minute elevation increase next to a betty, you die. Its probably detonated just an inch or so above the height of a crouching player.
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Jan 12, 2013 14:29:25 GMT -5
There's a fairly dramatic difference. At launch, if you didn't hear the beep you where dead, now you can duck as soon as you hear the whir and still live. I still hate dolphin diving into the gosh darn golly gee whiz things though. Really? They were easy to react to at release once you knew the sound. Now they're just a joke.
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Post by MastaQ on Jan 12, 2013 15:20:36 GMT -5
I wonder how long it would take for the community to notice if they were to silently release a new patch to give Hardwired Stopping Power.
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Post by palladium on Jan 12, 2013 15:42:51 GMT -5
I wonder how long it would take for the community to notice if they were to silently release a new patch to give Hardwired Stopping Power. No one would ever know. Vahn did say they were discussing having Hard Wired counter EMP grenades, which would be nice as there is no counter which they somehow thought was balanced...
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Post by iw5000 on Jan 12, 2013 15:48:32 GMT -5
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