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Post by mastermarth on Dec 3, 2012 9:01:19 GMT -5
You sold the game too fast, Brick. I would have loved to see what you could have done with the KSG. <3 In the 6 or so hours I played I didn't have fun once. I will not play a game that isn't fun. Ksg in testing against bots was okay. I would rather take bf3 spas+ slugs any day though. If compare stuff with other games, I'd rather have the single barrel Shotgun from Doom... or hell, the Duke Nukem 3D Shotgun. Accurate and deadly for the entire distance that you could see... No reloads to worry about, pump is fast enough, hip fire ALL DAY. Sorry, but I don't really see the point in comparing guns from different series... hell, even different games.
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Post by 42 on Dec 3, 2012 9:42:44 GMT -5
Yeah, comparing guns from different games is stupid. There are different values to a gun in each game, and I don't just mean stats. I mean use. For example, the Famas in Counterstrike is valued for its cheap price rather than it being the best, whereas the Black Ops Famas is valued for its all purpose use.
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Post by Brick2urface on Dec 3, 2012 9:44:47 GMT -5
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Post by Brick2urface on Dec 3, 2012 9:47:12 GMT -5
Yeah, comparing guns from different games is stupid. There are different values to a gun in each game, and I don't just mean stats. I mean use. For example, the Famas in Counterstrike is valued for its cheap price rather than it being the best, whereas the Black Ops Famas is valued for its all purpose use. I mean't it only as a fun factor. I won't keep a game that wasn't fun only to play with one "fun gun". Bf3 spas with slugs is one of the most fun weapons I have ever used in games.
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Post by 42 on Dec 3, 2012 10:10:09 GMT -5
How do you define "fun"? Do you have to be doing well to have fun? Could you go 8-32 and still have fun with the spas?
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Post by mastermarth on Dec 3, 2012 11:07:06 GMT -5
Oh, if you were saying that for fun, then sorry for my last post. I thought you meant to honestly start comparing stats and performance of the two.
I wonder if CoD will ever follow BF's idea of different ammo types for the Shotguns...
I'd laugh if they went further by having the M1216 and letting you set each of the four chambers to different ammo types. XD
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Post by Brick2urface on Dec 3, 2012 11:19:30 GMT -5
How do you define "fun"? Do you have to be doing well to have fun? Could you go 8-32 and still have fun with the spas? I have never gone 8-32 with any shotgun in any game to date so I can't comment. In general I don't define fun. I have fun when i "have fun". If I take my weapon of choice and do bad i doubt I would be having fun, unless I am doing something goofy with it. I have had several games where I don't do well (by my standards) but still had fun so doing well is not a requirement all the time. Frankly if it was then pump shotguns would not be my weapon of choice.
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Post by markopolo on Dec 3, 2012 11:27:41 GMT -5
IMHO and FMPE:
If you consistantly ADS your shotgun, go KSG. If you rarely ADS your shotgun, go Remington. If you do a mixture of both, I've had more luck with the Remington than the KSG.... *shrug* It might just be me, but unless I'm ADSing, I can't get the KSG to be an effective hipsprayer for me
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Post by Brick2urface on Dec 3, 2012 11:35:56 GMT -5
helicopters were the only fun thing about that game Funniest thing in all of bf3: 1. Go into tdm. 2. Go to noshar cannals 3. Get a sqad together consisting of a recon with mav, a support with c4 (necessary for ammo), and 2 assaults running smoke. Make sure you have explosive, sprint, supression, and flak specializations. 4. Have everyone use usas 12 with frags, emags, and thermal scope 5. Have recon move the mav to where ever enemies are/ are spawning from. 6. Smoke everything near enemies (replenish with ammo crates) and have support put c4 everywhere. 7. Unleash hell with team thermal usas, make sure to use knife inside smoke as well for extra lulz. 8. Use c4 traps to catch people who escape smoke. 9. 10. Laugh at all the ragequitters and collect hatemail 11. Get banned from server. There, you are now having fun in bf3.
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Post by jukebox20 on Dec 3, 2012 11:39:01 GMT -5
10. Laugh at all the ragequitters and collect hatemail 11. Get banned from server. There, you are now having fun in bf3. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!
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Post by Brick2urface on Dec 3, 2012 11:49:31 GMT -5
One shot from the usas frag rounds + surpression specialiszation turns the m416's accuracy into the m240's accuracy with one shot. that combined with the smoke means there is nothing they can do.
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Post by Brick2urface on Dec 3, 2012 12:02:03 GMT -5
Helicopters are easy to kill moose. Soflams and javelins, or dumb fire rpgs and smaws are easy to kill choppers with. And rpgs are easy to survive with flak specialization.
No counter to team smokesas.
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Post by 42 on Dec 3, 2012 12:09:41 GMT -5
Skill
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Post by Brick2urface on Dec 3, 2012 12:11:38 GMT -5
Try to skill your way out of not seing your opponent and having worse ads accuracy than the Lmgs without lmg damage.
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Post by 42 on Dec 3, 2012 12:12:59 GMT -5
counter smokeusas
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Post by Brick2urface on Dec 3, 2012 12:18:55 GMT -5
Do you think people will hit on the correct combination and have the coordination to pull it off? Wihout the proper combination of classes and specializations smokesas is not lethal.
And even if they did how many people would stay in a game that degenerates to such a massive clusterfornication?
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Post by Brick2urface on Dec 3, 2012 15:38:26 GMT -5
As a person who played both I think most of bf3 is significantly better.
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Post by tiesieman on Dec 3, 2012 16:03:39 GMT -5
BF3 gunplay is better. BC2 maps are better.
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Post by jukebox20 on Dec 6, 2012 0:02:10 GMT -5
Didn't unlock silencer for the KSG yet, but here's a video from a guy that unlocked the Diamond camo for the shotguns. He gives his opinions on which shotguns are good and not.
Watch the whole thing if you want.
Skip to 1:08 for R870 Skip to 2:47 for the KSG
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Post by pusheject on Dec 6, 2012 12:26:27 GMT -5
Didn't unlock silencer for the KSG yet, but here's a video from a guy that unlocked the Diamond camo for the shotguns. He gives his opinions on which shotguns are good and not. [ youtube vid ] Watch the whole thing if you want. Skip to 1:08 for R870 Skip to 2:47 for the KSG I'm not sure that I could disagree with that video more. He calls the M1216 a "Novelty" gun, and while it is certainly difficult to adapt to, I think it is the most insane, powerful gun in the game. I've got just over 4000 kills with shotguns (soooo close to diamond camo), so I've spent some serious time with each. My list would go: 1. M1216 2. 870 3. KSG 4. S12 The 870 is definitely the easiest to use, easiest to kill with, and is the best general-use shotgun. The KSG is fun but the ADS penalty is incredibly noticeable, and is also insanely connection dependent. Rewarding (especially killing multiple enemies with one slug), but the most frustrating gun in the game. The S12 is decent, and has a ton of rounds to spam, but just isn't that fun to use. Hard to say why. As soon as it was gold, I was done with it. Back to the M1216; it is a hell of a gun. It's great without attachments, and better with. Kills happen fast, if you are close to someone and can point it in their general direction, they are dead without question. The guy in that video complains about re-cocking the gun, but I think it is perfect, it happens relatively fast (slightly slower than an 870 pump), and you're immediately ready to kill another enemy. Don't bother ADSing once you have the laser on it, and run around with lightweight, racking up the kills. Drawbacks are that its range is terrible, and one shot is relatively weak (250 OHK takes a long, long time), but it is an incredible gun. Give it time.
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Post by Zero IX on Dec 6, 2012 13:23:41 GMT -5
I could've sworn I should like the S12 more than the M1216, but right now I def favor the M1216.
S12 doesn't deserve as much hate as it gets, though. I don't find it advantageous, but I was able to get good scores by sneaking up on people with a Laser and a Suppressor... you know, where I could have killed them with anything. >_>
I just really want it to be the BO SPAS-12 but alas that's not the case.
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Post by pusheject on Dec 6, 2012 14:12:25 GMT -5
I just really want it to be the BO SPAS-12 but alas that's not the case. THIS. I had visions of the S12 being BO2's spas with silencer from BO, but it looks like that isn't happening. Spas12 with ghost/steady aim was my jam in Black Ops, but the silenced S12 just isn't the same. Too bad.
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Dec 7, 2012 3:21:39 GMT -5
To my knowledge the M1216's the only shotgun with a 2-second ADS, compared to the others with 2.5 seconds. With that said I think ADSing is more conducive with said four-burst shotgun.
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Post by drgrincheux on Dec 7, 2012 4:04:40 GMT -5
Erf... I've just seen that the 1HK range of the 870 has been reduced by 45 inches in the 1.04 patch. RIP.
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Post by MastaQ on Dec 7, 2012 4:09:15 GMT -5
I'm glad I golded that POS before they made it even worse...
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Post by mastermarth on Dec 7, 2012 7:45:45 GMT -5
It sucks for the 870, but I am honestly glad the KSG didn't get touched... yet...
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Post by mastermarth on Dec 7, 2012 9:36:55 GMT -5
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Post by tiesieman on Dec 7, 2012 10:21:00 GMT -5
implying the other shotties don't need to ADS, vohn?
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Post by Brick2urface on Dec 7, 2012 11:44:14 GMT -5
Son I am dissapoint.
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Dec 7, 2012 18:00:13 GMT -5
Well, at least it's peaceful knowing the KSG isn't getting molested any time soon.
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