danoski666
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Post by danoski666 on Dec 7, 2012 18:02:47 GMT -5
You never known. Apparently the M870 needed a nerf so desperately that its short OHK range was shortened even further. Maybe not by a whole lot, but still...
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Post by asasa on Dec 7, 2012 18:56:11 GMT -5
implying the other shotties don't need to ADS, vohn? Need? No.
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Post by tiesieman on Dec 7, 2012 19:37:03 GMT -5
Yeah good luck with that 10 spread.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Dec 8, 2012 17:41:41 GMT -5
The 870, even without laser, could one shot to about 300 units whereas the other shotguns can only one shot up to about 230 units. I'll recalculate this based on how Treyarch actually reduced the range.
If you forgo the laser, the hip fire can still be useful in close ranges where it is not practical to ADS.
The huge spread can also lead to some very humorous kill cams.
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Post by mastermarth on Dec 9, 2012 10:24:12 GMT -5
The 870, even without laser, could one shot to about 300 units whereas the other shotguns, minus the KSG, can only one shot up to about 230 units. I'll recalculate this based on how Treyarch actually reduced the range. If you forgo the laser, the hip fire can still be useful in close ranges where it is not practical to ADS. The huge spread can also lead to some very humorous kill cams. ^ Fixed that Mega. Seriously though, the range didn't really make that big from what I can see. I mean, I don't run the 870 (love my KSG), but I get killed at about the same ranges as normal when I die from one.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Dec 9, 2012 10:28:16 GMT -5
implying the other shotties don't need to ADS, vohn?
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Post by mastermarth on Dec 9, 2012 11:05:13 GMT -5
^ That would be awesome if true. It doesn't really feel like 0.2s after running around with the KSG trying to get it to gold. I can't even imagine doing the other Shotguns to get the Diamond KSG.
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Post by Zero IX on Dec 9, 2012 11:16:04 GMT -5
^ That would be awesome if true. It doesn't really feel like 0.2s after running around with the KSG trying to get it to gold. I can't even imagine doing the other Shotguns to get the Diamond KSG. Tell me about it. I have the KSG at Gold and the R870 sitting at Skulls as the last one to unlock (from lack of use, not for lack of trying ). S12 is by comparison so much less effective than those two. M1216 seems like it could be fun though. Few different dynamics combine to make it an interesting gun... when to hip-fire vs. when its better to ADS, managing reloads vs. cycle times, the option of the Silencer vs. Long Barrel, etc. Out of curiosity, what do your KSG class(es) look like? I find myself constantly going back and forth.
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Post by Zero IX on Dec 9, 2012 11:35:49 GMT -5
Well marvel says the only thing he's sure of is that ADS delay is more significant based on your hipsread at the TIME of ads. Again more info as he says it. So my strategy of putting the Laser Sight on the KSG to hedge my bet should I get the short end of the ADS delay stick is still relevant?
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Post by mastermarth on Dec 9, 2012 13:24:07 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, what do your KSG class(es) look like? I find myself constantly going back and forth. I play Domination pretty much exclusively, so: KSG + Quickdraw + Long Barrel FHJ-18 Flak Jacket Toughness Dexterity Bouncing Betty Shock Charge x2 Although, currently I'm playing with the R870 since I prestiged and am using: R870 + Long Barrel SMAW Flak Jacket + Lightweight [Perk 1 Greed] Fast Hands Dexterity Frag Concussion SMAW for anti-air or an RPG if needed, Frag because I don't have BB unlocked yet (might keep it though), Stun because I don't have Shock Charge yet. When I unlock the KSG again, I might just skip using Quickdraw for it... I thought it was essential, but with the R870 I know I don't have it so I'm a lot more cautious when going around corners. I'll either ADS if I expect someone at medium range or right in to hip fire if I expect CQC. The Stun is a big help to either turn a corner on someone or with someone in the open. So with the KSG, I might just swap the Stun for a Shock and keep the class as is (and maybe swap the SMAW for the FHJ-18).
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Post by selarmor on Dec 9, 2012 15:42:55 GMT -5
Hey guys marvels pretty sure ads delay works differently than we thought and that shotties really aren't effected much at all.Stay tuned. 1. Walk. 2. ADS. 3. Shoot. 4. Observe hipfire accuracy. I don't really see how you can make that argument.
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Post by mastermarth on Dec 10, 2012 10:31:11 GMT -5
So, is the mouse going to share the cheese or be a selfish mouse?
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Post by danoski666 on Dec 10, 2012 10:33:06 GMT -5
Fake. Mao-C is white.
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Post by mastermarth on Dec 10, 2012 10:42:18 GMT -5
Sorry, my bad: I think Marvel's smarter than a lot of people...
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Post by danoski666 on Dec 10, 2012 10:44:38 GMT -5
I thought we all agreed that Marvel is the living god of DK boards, along with Den and Megapony.
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Post by mastermarth on Dec 10, 2012 11:02:26 GMT -5
Cool, thanks!
I don't have the KSG unlocked again, so I'm using the R870 for my Shotgun fix working on getting that to Gold in the meantime. I'll probably only end up getting it to Gold about the time the KSG unlocks, then I'm getting the KSG to Gold and using that. Might try and work on the S12 on the next Prestige... but I don't know if I feel like touching the M1216 outside of the default class for the Tac Insert...
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Post by Brick2urface on Dec 10, 2012 12:07:52 GMT -5
WHY DO YOU EVEN SAY THINGS
EDIT: NEVERMIND
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Post by tiesieman on Dec 10, 2012 12:20:08 GMT -5
In marvel we trust
Also brick you do play battlefield on pc right
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Post by Brick2urface on Dec 10, 2012 12:21:21 GMT -5
Xbox. I wouldn't try to run bf3 on my laptop it would explode.
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Post by markopolo on Dec 10, 2012 12:21:37 GMT -5
Haven't used it since the patch.
Is the debate still raging as to which is better?
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Post by Brick2urface on Dec 10, 2012 12:24:04 GMT -5
There is very little to debate. The ksg is far superior if you are an accurate shotgun user. The ksg with long barrel has 50% more one shot range than the 870 with long barrel. If your aim is a little lack luster then take the 870 and try to grab the enemy by their belt buckle.
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Post by Brick2urface on Dec 10, 2012 12:36:41 GMT -5
Its a mac. Its for blogging at starbucks, not gaming.
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Post by markopolo on Dec 10, 2012 12:42:58 GMT -5
There is very little to debate. The ksg is far superior if you are an accurate shotgun user. The ksg with long barrel has 50% more one shot range than the 870 with long barrel. If your aim is a little lack luster then take the 870 and try to grab the enemy by their belt buckle. I wrote a few pages back that if you ADS your shotty consistantly, use the KSG. If you hipfire your shotty consistantly, use the 870. Is that still good advice?
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Post by markopolo on Dec 10, 2012 12:46:56 GMT -5
we were intending to destroy it My advice?
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Post by mastermarth on Dec 10, 2012 12:47:12 GMT -5
There is very little to debate. The ksg is far superior if you are an accurate shotgun user. The ksg with long barrel has 50% more one shot range than the 870 with long barrel. If your aim is a little lack luster then take the 870 and try to grab the enemy by their belt buckle. I wrote a few pages back that if you ADS your shotty consistantly, use the KSG. If you hipfire your shotty consistantly, use the 870. Is that still good advice? It is unless you are really good/accurate with your hipfire... in which case, I'd still recommend the KSG over the R870 (both with Laser).
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Post by Brick2urface on Dec 10, 2012 12:48:53 GMT -5
There is very little to debate. The ksg is far superior if you are an accurate shotgun user. The ksg with long barrel has 50% more one shot range than the 870 with long barrel. If your aim is a little lack luster then take the 870 and try to grab the enemy by their belt buckle. I wrote a few pages back that if you ADS your shotty consistantly, use the KSG. If you hipfire your shotty consistantly, use the 870. Is that still good advice? Depends on the range. The ksg's hipfire with laser is 3.25 degrees which will work in cqc. But that is assuming centered shots. The 870 has a massive spread so if you are inaccurate you can still land deathblows in extreme cqc. The hipfire on both is effective up close. But strictly in terms of hipfire the 870 with a laser is probably a better bet.
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Post by markopolo on Dec 10, 2012 12:49:43 GMT -5
I wrote a few pages back that if you ADS your shotty consistantly, use the KSG. If you hipfire your shotty consistantly, use the 870. Is that still good advice? It is unless you are really good/accurate with your hipfire... in which case, I'd still recommend the KSG over the R870 (both with Laser). I can't hipfire a KSG to save my life.... believe me, I've tried... no spread at all. The 870's spread.... like buddah on da muffin
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Post by Brick2urface on Dec 10, 2012 12:52:08 GMT -5
I hate the 870's spread. I have been playing mostly bf3 where my shotguns are effective out to 30 meters or so and hive high accuracy requirements. The 870 is completely the opposite.
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Post by tiesieman on Dec 10, 2012 13:31:48 GMT -5
Shame brick. Shotgunning on pc is even better since text chat means extra delicious tears
If i get a decent recording program I might make a DAO-12 clip to convince you how much shit that thing can destroy. I'm actually liking it more than the pumps
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Post by mastermarth on Dec 10, 2012 14:48:46 GMT -5
It is unless you are really good/accurate with your hipfire... in which case, I'd still recommend the KSG over the R870 (both with Laser). I can't hipfire a KSG to save my life.... believe me, I've tried... no spread at all. The 870's spread.... like buddah on da muffin That's the point: pinpoint accuracy from the hip (mostly) with no random pellet spread to get in the way (mostly). That's why I said "unless you are really good/accurate with your hipfire".
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