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Post by wwaa on Feb 12, 2013 18:59:14 GMT -5
handguns (B23R and 5-7) are the best weapons in HC if you run&gun.
Tac45 has low ROF and no ammo, Executioner is gay, KAP40 is for kids.
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Post by -3055- on Feb 12, 2013 20:43:03 GMT -5
I can see why you'd say KAP40 is for kids but... 0.1 ads time. Come on. With dexterity that's like a full auto sniper in Touch Football.
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Post by I Am Hollywood5 on Feb 12, 2013 23:24:08 GMT -5
i always LOL at the hate on the KAP40. People will just always have a problem with an automatic handgun existing. Handcuffed by a 15 mag that burns up before you can say jiminey crickets, recoil that leaves you cloud-watching, and 6HK damage outside of close range (when it's impossible to connect a total of 6 out of 15 bullets), there is nothing wrong with the KAP40. At all.
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Post by asasa on Feb 12, 2013 23:53:56 GMT -5
Lol, the KAP40 is the most powerful weapon in the game. Its recoil is EXTREMELY easy to compensate for, to the point where after a few games of using it, the recoil is almost non existent
Mousey basically covered it... but I figure i'd say it again.
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Post by I Am Hollywood5 on Feb 13, 2013 3:22:07 GMT -5
The only argument I could understand against the KAP40 is that it should have 0.15 or even 0.2 ADS time instead of 0.1, I really don't understand why they thought it needed 0.1. But in comparison to the other pistols I still don't see the problem. Earlier people were actually calling the Tac45 OP with its 2HK. It's still my favorite pistol that's ever been in a COD game. The B23R actually kills faster than the KAP40 with a longer 3HK range (first 2 bullets at 1200 rpm) and much lower recoil. 5-7 and Executioner are a joke but I don't see how the KAP40 is any better than the Tac45 or B23R.
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Post by Robospy on Feb 13, 2013 4:53:05 GMT -5
5-7 is a joke? It's easily beats out all the pistols except the KAP40. Big mag, longest range, very low recoil, no obstructive firing animation, fastest fire rate of the semi-auto handguns. The 5-7 is the pistol I do best with, although I could understand if people say the KAP40 is stronger because it is.
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Post by honeybunch on Feb 13, 2013 5:40:29 GMT -5
i always LOL at the hate on the KAP40. People will just always have a problem with an automatic handgun existing. Handcuffed by a 15 mag that burns up before you can say jiminey crickets, recoil that leaves you cloud-watching, and 6HK damage outside of close range (when it's impossible to connect a total of 6 out of 15 bullets), there is nothing wrong with the KAP40. At all. Seriously? I play primarily TDM, where I have a K/D hovering around 1.7. I'm better than average, but I'm certainly not some super player. I can frequently get kills at mid-range with the KAP, sometimes having to burst fire, sometimes just unloading fully automatic. If you're having problems with the recoil, that's on you, not the gun. The only argument I could understand against the KAP40 is that it should have 0.15 or even 0.2 ADS time instead of 0.1, I really don't understand why they thought it needed 0.1. But in comparison to the other pistols I still don't see the problem. Earlier people were actually calling the Tac45 OP with its 2HK. It's still my favorite pistol that's ever been in a COD game. The B23R actually kills faster than the KAP40 with a longer 3HK range (first 2 bullets at 1200 rpm) and much lower recoil. 5-7 and Executioner are a joke but I don't see how the KAP40 is any better than the Tac45 or B23R. B23R, much lower recoil? I see slightly less vertical recoil, significantly more horizontal recoil. I'd take the KAP's recoil pattern over the B23R's any day. Honestly, I think I'd take the KAP's recoil pattern over that of any of the SMGs. I dunno whether it should be nerfed or not. What I will say is that right now, in a CQC fight I'd be more worried about someone with a KAP than with any other SMG, except perhaps the Skorpion. The KAP is also quite serviceable out to medium ranges. The only downside is its fairly small magazine. Is it too good for a secondary? In BO2, maybe not.
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Post by wwaa on Feb 13, 2013 8:22:53 GMT -5
I can see why you'd say KAP40 is for kids but... 0.1 ads time. Come on. With dexterity that's like a full auto sniper in Touch Football. i always LOL at the hate on the KAP40. People will just always have a problem with an automatic handgun existing. .... For me… KAP40 is just … very boring… very boring… I do not hate it, I do not think it is OP, I never consider using it, I do not care abt its stats, when someone kills me with KAP40 I do not care… 5-7+Silencer and B23R+ExtMag ... well... both nice to use, a lot of fun. I suppose I never liked full auto secondaries in prev. COD games, weak handguns in MW3 were a pain for me.
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Post by bucket415 on Feb 13, 2013 9:02:49 GMT -5
I prefer the B23. In using both pistols, I definitely perform better with the B23. The B23 has no recoil, if you time your bursts. The extra ammo is huge.
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Post by I Am Hollywood5 on Feb 13, 2013 10:22:02 GMT -5
extra ammo? You mean that 1 extra bullet that is applied only with extended mags?
If you have a macro timed perfectly to fire the B23R full-auto then yes it has recoil. But in any other situation with normal bursting it is pinpoint accurate and has an overall RoF of 1090rpm with the first 2 bullets of each burst firing faster.
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Post by mmacola on Feb 13, 2013 10:30:58 GMT -5
B23R is better for ammo consumption. With the G18 KAP40, you will pull that trigger and thanks to lag, you will send away more bullets than needed, something that is extremely detrimental to it. With the B23R, you know that if you aimed well, 2 bursts is all you need.
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Post by -3055- on Feb 14, 2013 11:47:01 GMT -5
or buy a macro; full auto five seven
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Post by asasa on Feb 14, 2013 11:50:30 GMT -5
Why bother with that turd when theres a Kap40? Or TAC45? 57 sucks.
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Post by ronaldmcdonald on Feb 15, 2013 23:55:53 GMT -5
using a macro the recoil of the 5.7 is much more manageable than the tac45
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Post by citrus on Feb 16, 2013 11:20:42 GMT -5
5-7 is a joke? It's easily beats out all the pistols except the KAP40. Big mag, longest range, very low recoil, no obstructive firing animation, fastest fire rate of the semi-auto handguns. The 5-7 is the pistol I do best with, although I could understand if people say the KAP40 is stronger because it is. It's not a joke, but it does tend to be outclassed at almost any range by another pistol. using a macro the recoil of the 5.7 is much more manageable than the tac45 You can't handle the TAC45's recoil? How many past COD's have you played?
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Post by tiesieman on Feb 16, 2013 11:37:15 GMT -5
I will agree that the tac-45 had this annoying firing animation in which the front sights bounces up so that made it pretty weird to keep your aim on people. The 5-7 doesn't suffer from that at all
It's probably the best pistol for mid-long, but yeah. Pistols ain't for that anyway so not the best niche to have.
What's pretty funny is that the 5-7 vs TAC-45 is a lot like the FAL vs SMR. RoF +Recoil vs 2 HK range.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2013 1:06:18 GMT -5
So... let's say Grip is actually intended to be a 20% CS increase on ARs/LMGs and a 15% on SMGs, would it break some of the existing weapon balance/attachment balance?
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Post by I Am Hollywood5 on Feb 17, 2013 3:08:47 GMT -5
So... let's say Grip is actually intended to be a 20% CS increase on ARs/LMGs and a 15% on SMGs, would it break some of the existing weapon balance/attachment balance? Personally I would say no. But I also know how Lord Vonderhaar and the Treyarchs think and how their minds work, and they would consider it OMG WTF BBQ overpowered. I would be happy with just 10%, that's already more than BO1, even if it would still be a little bit inferior in the face of Laser Sight, Stock, Silencer, Fast Mags, Target Finder, and even the Long Barrel maybe
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Post by RageHulkSmash on Feb 17, 2013 6:52:02 GMT -5
I would still rather use t25 or M8A1 SF over AN-94. Skorpion EVO grip would be my favorite SMG. HAMR for LMG, but I still won't use it.
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Post by banana on Feb 17, 2013 16:00:11 GMT -5
Scar h > an94
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Post by 42 on Feb 17, 2013 17:35:06 GMT -5
Uh, no. An94 has a bit less range but also doesn't have the recoil that prevents effective use of scarh at that better range
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Post by thegentleman on Feb 17, 2013 19:21:12 GMT -5
Getting the longshot medals with the Scar H for Carbon Fiber was absolutely retarded. Even maxing out the possible accuracy with an ACOG, select fire, and grip, that thing would always spray the second two rounds mega-high. Even tap-tap-tapping out single shots was a chore. In retrospect, I probably should have done it in hardcore mode.
I was liking the SCAR-H in a limited role with stock, silencer, and FMJ as a close-range wallbang powerhouse on maps like Hijacked. Eventually I realized that the range is nice on the SCAR-H, but pretty wasted when you can't hit anything out that far.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2013 20:04:13 GMT -5
Scars niches are really its only merit (not that it completely eliminates the guns credibility). It's high penetration lets it make use of FMJ (arguably a waste to be honest) and MMS. the fact that its minimum btk is 4 lets it use a silencer and never have to deal with a 5hko range. While I wouldn't say the gun is a great option, I'd still say that it definitely has its own twisted merit and isn't too far behind in terms of usability. I still enjoy using the SCAR and I think it's a relatively good weapon but it's just all kind of funny. The SCAR has the highest effective max damage range out of any AR (at least I think this is true) in any CoD game and it can't even take advantage of that strength due to the miniature sized maps.
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Feb 17, 2013 20:28:25 GMT -5
Scar is awesome in HC though. 1sk people through walls from a million meters ->get called a hacker->collect bacon.
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Post by banana on Feb 17, 2013 21:56:37 GMT -5
Uh, no. An94 has a bit less range but also doesn't have the recoil that prevents effective use of scarh at that better range The scar h looks like it has less to me
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Post by RageHulkSmash on Feb 17, 2013 23:32:23 GMT -5
You should use the SWAT-556 with SF before complaining about recoil lol.
And I don't get all the love for AN-94. The rpm of the second shot doesn't help much with 20% accuracy and when you fire before ads in CQC.
I don't use the SCAR or the AN-94 though because their are better ARs with less recoil.
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Post by asasa on Feb 17, 2013 23:33:48 GMT -5
Eh, in practice the AN94 has considerably less recoil. Unless my use of Select Fire on it has tainted my views on the bare AN. But I used to run it supressed/stock and dont remember having issues. The SCAR does have a crap-ton of recoil though, relative to the other guns, if my memory serves me right. Probably that the AN is consistently going up and L/R, while the SCAR recenters considerably more.. making it harder to compensate.
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Post by Dumien on Feb 17, 2013 23:53:19 GMT -5
The An94 is just a solid solid choice for other reasons besides recoil too... Treat it like a semi auto if you want that faster kill. Prolong the time between shots for long range kills. To get the most out of the An94 you need to micromanage it, but with low management it is still pretty solid (it is akin to the FAL in that sense).
The scar is a niche weapon in this game. At that niche and with those attachments it does what no other gun in the game can do and will get kills that no other gun in the game can (barring perhaps the KSG).
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Post by RageHulkSmash on Feb 18, 2013 2:16:47 GMT -5
They both have shit-tier recoil so all it comes down to is the SCAR's damage and range vs the AN-94 variable rpm.
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Post by APOCALYPSE on Feb 18, 2013 17:10:45 GMT -5
They both have s hit-tier recoil so all it comes down to is the SCAR's damage and range vs the AN-94 variable rpm. Considering these maps are just too damn tiny, range is a moot point.
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