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Post by brutalonslaught on May 24, 2013 15:03:12 GMT -5
For about the cost of two months of internet service, you can get an HDTV. Three months, max. Fucking hell, you either have expensive internet or cheap TVs. My broadband (which is beastly because I live next to the exchange) is about $15 a month and a 32" TV is about $250.
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Post by Pegasus Actual on May 24, 2013 15:37:19 GMT -5
The only thing Xbox really has going for me right now is that potential Titan exclusive from Respawn. I mean, that's where most of the talent behind COD ended up. Oh and the controller is still way better.
I haven't watched any WoodysGamerTag before. But that vid is... not good.
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Post by Slick on May 24, 2013 19:45:47 GMT -5
I'm more interested in how each console handles multiplayer matching. Words are nice, lets see something. I'm in particular interested in a solution to kids ruining the gaming experience for everyone else by crashing the game.
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Post by lazy on May 25, 2013 8:37:15 GMT -5
was there much difference between specs on this gen. the reason i ask is because most games looked and performed the same across the two platforms so we can probably expect the same on the next gen can we not.
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Post by lazy on May 25, 2013 9:31:41 GMT -5
^ so even if the ps4 is super powerful people who own either system should get the same quality of games it's just a matter of preference what system you like.(services provided or controller or what not).
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Post by lazy on May 25, 2013 9:45:18 GMT -5
oh yes but generally the majority of games are not exclusives, so i don't really think there's going to be a whole lot of differences between the two machines.
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Post by mmacola on May 25, 2013 17:41:30 GMT -5
Well not major ones, but you can expect some situation (out of ordinary ones) where the PS4 will experience less of a framerate drop or faster loading screens.
Also since I'm not a computer whiz, more RAM means it can play for longer before doing crazy stuff right? PS3's Skyrim was a huge pain in the ass because of that. "Oh, you're playing over three hours straight? You better get some rest. Here you go, some missing textures and ridiculously long loading screens"
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Post by Pegasus Actual on May 25, 2013 18:38:31 GMT -5
If Skyrim leaks memory that's more of an issue than not having enough RAM. But yeah, based on the specs and similarity in the architectures it seems reasonable to expect games to run better on PS4.
God knows the Xbox version of BO2 is light years ahead of the PS3 version.
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Post by asasa on May 25, 2013 21:19:33 GMT -5
^ so even if the ps4 is super powerful people who own either system should get the same quality of games it's just a matter of preference what system you like.(services provided or controller or what not). No, its the opposite this time around. The PS3 didnt have better graphics or performance than the 360 [the opposite was true] because it was hard to develop for. This time, its simply more powerful. And quite a lot more powerful at that. So it WILL have better performance AND better graphics IF developers care to make that possible, and I think they will.
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Post by legacy on May 26, 2013 1:42:19 GMT -5
No, its the opposite this time around. The PS3 didnt have better graphics or performance than the 360 [the opposite was true] because it was hard to develop for. This time, its simply more powerful. And quite a lot more powerful at that. So it WILL have better performance AND better graphics IF developers care to make that possible, and I think they will. I agree and developers have been making this possible on PC's forever, so I don't see why they wouldn't want to showoff their products in the best way possible. (Both next gen consoles are basically constructed like PC's this go around.) The extra power may at least come in handy for 3D gaming if that takes off on the next gen. I'm not sure how much the embedded memory on the xbox one will really help when compared to the GDDR5 in the ps4. The only concerns I have about ps4 is the cost, the online service/fees, and if the system suffers overheating problems like the first gen of 360's. I guess we will find out plenty more during E3.
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Post by ElysMustache on May 26, 2013 1:44:44 GMT -5
And quite a lot more powerful at that. That was not my interpretation from what I have heard.
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Post by KingVaroon on May 26, 2013 6:36:51 GMT -5
The PS3 didnt have better graphics or performance than the 360 [the opposite was true] because it was hard to develop for. The developers were lazy, yes. But anybody that knows anything about micro-architecture will know that the PS3 was far more capable than the 360. You cannot blame the console because of the developers.
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Post by KingVaroon on May 26, 2013 15:33:30 GMT -5
Yeah but porting games is not that expensive. I've read many developer articles complaining about the ps3 being hard to develop for. I've never heard anyone complain that its too expensive.
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Post by KingVaroon on May 26, 2013 18:42:43 GMT -5
They don't have to re write their code, they have to re arrange it to where the cell processor is now handling the majority of the GPU's job. Regardless, you're right, it is more tedious than maintaining their already existing architecture when porting over. Which is the primary reason games weren't properly ported over to the ps3. I'm not arguing with you about how long the what system should be supported or whether people should care about if a game makes full use of a systems capability, I was simply telling asasa that you can't underrate a system's capability because of the developers laziness.
EDIT: Developers get paid for the job regardless of how they choose to do it. It would just be more stressful meeting their deadline when they have to re arrange their syntax specifically for the ps3.
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Post by KingVaroon on May 26, 2013 18:50:19 GMT -5
It's not increasing development cost though. Someone will just have to sit in front of their computer and work longer. They're not having to buy anything new to do it.
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Post by ElysMustache on May 26, 2013 19:13:36 GMT -5
It's not increasing development cost though. Someone will just have to sit in front of their computer and work longer. They're not having to buy anything new to do it. Do you think said someone will sit there and work longer for free? Do you think employee wages are not part of development costs? Or do you think everyone that codes for Treyarch is a partner?
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Post by KingVaroon on May 26, 2013 19:27:16 GMT -5
It's not increasing development cost though. Someone will just have to sit in front of their computer and work longer. They're not having to buy anything new to do it. Do you think said someone will sit there and work longer for free? Do you think employee wages are not part of development costs? Or do you think everyone that codes for Treyarch is a partner? Treyarch gets paid by Activision, the exact same amount, as long as they meet Activision's deadline. Even if treyarch finishes way before deadline, they still get paid the same amount quoted in their contract. Now let's say all of a sudden Activision decided they want to incorporate Kinect into black ops 2, that would be an increase in development cost because now they're adding a new phase to that project. The contract would now have to be renegotiated. Edit: Actually we can use a real life example here. After the MW2 fiasco, Activision want's their developer studios to provide post launch support. Judging by how late in the games cycle, treyarch is still continuing to release patches, I'm gonna go ahead and assume that there are a set number of patch updates now added into the developers contract by activision. This was an increase in development cost.
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Post by KingVaroon on May 26, 2013 19:54:48 GMT -5
After signing a contract with Activision to deliver a completed game by a set deadline, how will making their programmers work a little longer going to increase budget or affect profit? As long as they deliver a finished product in time, the amount they receive is contract bound.
I don't think the term "profit" is even applicable here as there was no initial investment by Treyarch.
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Post by legacy on May 26, 2013 20:02:44 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if the Microsoft-Activision CoD contract includes language about not exceeding the limits of the xbox on the ps4 version.
Microsoft pays a lot of money to have the exclusive CoD rights. I don't think they would let Activision put out a product on ps4 that would be noticeably better.
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Post by mmacola on May 26, 2013 20:08:29 GMT -5
That would be ridiculous. What next, the pc version can't exceed the xbone either?
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Post by KingVaroon on May 26, 2013 20:10:35 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if the Microsoft-Activision CoD contract includes language about not exceeding the limits of the xbox on the ps4 version. Microsoft pays a lot of money to have the exclusive CoD rights. I don't think they would let Activision put out a product on ps4 that would be noticeably better. That's illegal. Sony will take a big bite out of Microsoft and Activision if this happens. Microsoft owns special rights because Activision offers them. Sony has the choice to buy the same. Activision cannot choose to offer a purposely limited product to other vendors at any one vendors request.
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Post by ElysMustache on May 26, 2013 20:39:41 GMT -5
how will making their programmers work a little longer going to increase budget or affect profit? Because companies can "make" programmers work longer. You're right. Your argument makes complete sense now.
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Post by KingVaroon on May 26, 2013 20:58:53 GMT -5
They obviously can't force a person to sit in one place against their will and complete a task. But if the deadline passes and the job isn't done, Treyarch will most likely have to pay a fine for violating Activision's contract, and I suspect some programmers might also find themselves being replaced.
Which brings me back to my original argument - games weren't properly ported over to the ps3 because programmers wanted to go home early. The ps3 can't be blamed for the programmers laziness.
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Post by legacy on May 26, 2013 22:11:22 GMT -5
That's illegal. Sony will take a big bite out of Microsoft and Activision if this happens. Microsoft owns special rights because Activision offers them. Sony has the choice to buy the same. Activision cannot choose to offer a purposely limited product to other vendors at any one vendors request. Well I don't think Activision is required to build a game that is optimized for the full potential of ps4 so what is stopping them from building it on xbox one then simply copy/paste port to ps4?
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Post by mmacola on May 26, 2013 23:02:08 GMT -5
FU CK FU CK FU CK FU CK Now my only choice will be downloaded games... oh wait, I won't get a Xbone I will still buy cheap cheap american games
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Post by 42 on May 26, 2013 23:05:18 GMT -5
They have a sin tax on video games in Brazil?
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Post by mmacola on May 26, 2013 23:06:36 GMT -5
Pretty much. but you can get shipped games way cheaper than buying on the retailers, and even cheaper to download them.
I got my BF3 Ultra Premium Bundle Edition For Pros And 1337 Players (game + premmy) for 69 dollars + tax on the PSN (my account is american btw), which would be roughly 150 if I bought from retailers and/or the brazilian psn
You guys complain about 300 dollars consoles? Ours is 600, with no cool game bundles
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Post by 42 on May 26, 2013 23:07:12 GMT -5
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Post by mmacola on May 26, 2013 23:16:24 GMT -5
HA! you missed my elaborate edit in your quote. Whos the heuehueh now, huh?In other words, NO U
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Post by 42 on May 26, 2013 23:22:12 GMT -5
HA! you missed my elaborate edit in your quote. Whos the heuehueh now, huh? I got my PS3 for free!
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