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Post by wittyscorpion on Jul 25, 2014 22:45:53 GMT -5
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jul 29, 2014 12:33:13 GMT -5
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Post by iw5000 on Jul 29, 2014 16:23:34 GMT -5
Wow. This is interesting. I am not sure if this is a good or bad thing? It's good from the standpoint I can go and try like five to six sports games listed above for only $5 a month ($60 a year). That's decent. Try out FIFA, Madden, especially the hockey game which looks really interesting. But it's bad because i would never go buy one of these sports games, spend the $60 for it. Now i am pretty much buying one of them.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jul 29, 2014 16:33:51 GMT -5
Wow. This is interesting. I am not sure if this is a good or bad thing? It's good from the standpoint I can go and try like five to six sports games listed above for only $5 a month ($60 a year). That's decent. Try out FIFA, Madden, especially the hockey game which looks really interesting. But it's bad because i would never go buy one of these sports games, spend the $60 for it. Now i am pretty much buying one of them. The annual subscription is $30 a year. If you don't mind playing older games, the vault will allow you to play the games released in the past for no additional cost. For brand new games, you get to try them for >= 2 hours 5 days before release, and cary your progress over if you decided to buy (which you can also enjoy 10% discount). For sports game fans, it does look like something worth considering, if you have faith in EA that is
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Post by TheHawkNY on Jul 29, 2014 17:17:34 GMT -5
Wow. This is interesting. I am not sure if this is a good or bad thing? It's good from the standpoint I can go and try like five to six sports games listed above for only $5 a month ($60 a year). That's decent. Try out FIFA, Madden, especially the hockey game which looks really interesting. But it's bad because i would never go buy one of these sports games, spend the $60 for it. Now i am pretty much buying one of them. It's a bad thing. It means that you're no longer going to get EA games for free from Xbox Live Gold (or PS+ if they put it out for Playstation), so the value of those memberships decreased. You're not going to get the games until the amount of revenue that they'll make from DLC and in-game purchases from the people they give the game away to is far more than the amount that they make from the continued sales of the game. In turn, the increased shift in their profits from sales revenue to revenue from DLC and in-game purchases will encourage them to continue to find creative ways to ruin franchises that you love (see: Dungeon Keeper, Bejeweled Blitz, PvZ2, the upcoming Sims, etc). The 10% discount - you'd have to spend $300 in the digital store to cover the expense of the membership. That's 5 full-price titles, or a pretty significant investment in add-ons. Titanfall is excluded completely from EA Access. EA has a lot of recent history of shipping games that were partially broken (BF4) to completely broken (Simcity). 5 days of early access sounds more like being a beta tester. At best, it's a marketing ploy, like beta testing or shareware. At worst, you paid $30 for 5 days of being pissed that the game you want to play is broken. Sounds pretty awful to me.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jul 29, 2014 17:46:49 GMT -5
FAQ from EA on EA Access: www.ea.com/eaaccess/faq.html?linkId=9079401While I largely agree with TheHawkNY's view on this is likely to be a bad thing, we can't stop it from happening. So a more relevant question is who should consider taking advantage of it? From my point of view, the biggest question is what would be available in the "vault". If the Vault has solid games in it, then this could be a good way to play games. Say I am between games (hypothetically, because for me personally this probably will never happen) for a month during low season (this August is a good example), and I would like to try FIFA 14 and BF4. I can pay the monthly fee of $5, play the games for a month, terminate my membership, then move on to Destiny. I can see such user case being quite attractive to certain gamers. After all, $5 is like 2 cups of coffee and spend that to get access to a bunch of games can be a good value proposition. Another user case: let's say I played FIFA14 and BF4 and really liked both, and would like to "commit" to them. In that case, I can do the year subscription of $30, and able to play both games for a year. This could be attractive, especially for annually released franchises like the sports games and BF/CoD. From MSFT/EA point of view, this is a sign of them testing waters of bypassing disc distribution and going digital. The results of this experiment could have far reaching impact to the industry.
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Post by TheHawkNY on Jul 30, 2014 12:34:21 GMT -5
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jul 30, 2014 12:39:24 GMT -5
I have been wondering why this is not available on PSN First Titanfall, now EA Access, looks like EA is firmly committed to the MSFT side. Would this put a dent on the potential Titanfall release on PSN?
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Post by TheHawkNY on Jul 30, 2014 14:01:02 GMT -5
I doubt it. Playstation doesn't want to do it because it degrades their product. Microsoft wants to do it because they desperately need those casual sports gamers. Titanfall needs Playstation more than Playstation needs Titanfall, there's no leverage there for EA.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jul 30, 2014 14:06:41 GMT -5
Full details on XONE launch in China on 09/23: news.xbox.com/2014/07/xbox-one-launch-in-china-septemberPS4 is also planning to launch in China. Sony and MSFT are both well known brands in China, but on the console side, if this online poll is to be trusted (questionable in its credibility though), PS4 is much more desired than XONE: www.cinemablend.com/games/Chinese-Gaming-Poll-Shows-PS4-With-57-Vote-Xbox-One-With-11-66406.htmlAs a result, it is critical for MSFT to be there first. Sony does need to speed up their time table as well, but they can learn from MSFT's experience first. These launches are significant to the video game industry because they mark the first time that gaming consoles become "officially" available in China. What happens in the next 12 months could have far reaching impact, on a) Console War, b) game piracy, c) "free to play" trend, d) subscription model, etc, due to the potentially huge Chinese market but also strong consumer reluctance to pay for digital goods.
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Post by GodMars on Jul 30, 2014 14:19:11 GMT -5
I have been wondering why this is not available on PSN First Titanfall, now EA Access, looks like EA is firmly committed to the MSFT side. Would this put a dent on the potential Titanfall release on PSN? Sony needed to give it the ok to let the customer decide. That said, the devil is in the details: this EA Access isn't as slick as people would think. Ultimately, this is EAs take on how to fight the used-game market. They'll offer older titles for a monthly fee, keeping you for buying from retail outlets or eBay. Even if it's less than what you'd pay for a used physically copy, it's actual money in their pocket that they wouldn't have otherwise, and the customer has no option to trade in or sell this older "used" game. I'm not a fan of this at all and would never have bought into it on the PS4. I buy games, I play them, and then I sell them and get a significant portion of my money back. That's how I like to do business.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jul 30, 2014 16:29:55 GMT -5
Platforms and publishers have long wanted to go digital, to cut cost on making the discs, to convert offline players to go online, and to cut off the middleman - retailers. MSFT, Sony, and now EA are all trying to make moves in this aspect.
As a result, I view this as less of a Console War thing, but more of a grand experiment on going digital and subscription model.
To make an analogy, lets look at the movies/shows business. Nowadays I am paying Netfix for my "casual" viewing experience. I can foresee in the future I am doing something similar for my "casual" gaming experience.
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Post by iw5000 on Jul 31, 2014 13:10:52 GMT -5
Platforms and publishers have long wanted to go digital, to cut cost on making the discs, to convert offline players to go online, and to cut off the middleman - retailers. MSFT, Sony, and now EA are all trying to make moves in this aspect. As a result, I view this as less of a Console War thing, but more of a grand experiment on going digital and subscription model. To make an analogy, lets look at the movies/shows business. Nowadays I am paying Netfix for my "casual" viewing experience. I can foresee in the future I am doing something similar for my "casual" gaming experience. Times are changing. Take cable TV. That is dead. I dropped my $125 + monthly Verizon cable bill a while ago. My three units, three DVR's, HBO/Cinemax 400 plus channel bs that was going on. What a waste of money. At first I thought I would miss it, but after a while now, I am kicking myself for not doing it sooner. I am pretty much able to replicate 90% of what I used to watch and do it for free. I use my XB1 and 360, the apps on their, to get the channels I need like HBO Go. Fvck spending $1,500 a year for channels I don't need.
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Post by banana on Jul 31, 2014 17:20:55 GMT -5
Honestly, netflix sucks. Cable tv is so much better.
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Post by iw5000 on Aug 7, 2014 15:49:21 GMT -5
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Post by wittyscorpion on Aug 8, 2014 12:23:08 GMT -5
FYI: over in another thread at denkirson.proboards.com/post/186048/thread , we discussed an attractive feature of XONE: sharing XBL Gold membership and digital game assets on 2 XONEs. In other words, there are ways for one "child" XONE to get XBL gold and digital games/DLCs from a "mother" XONE for free. Other than the discussion above, this article also explained the gist very well: winsupersite.com/xbox/xbox-one-game-sharing . Our very own bro Pegasus Actual happen to have 2 XONEs at home and he has confirmed that this indeed works (see the thread mentioned above for more details). Regarding what games can be purchased digitally: the answer is all of them (well, almost with very few exceptions), on day 1 of the release: www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/games/same-day-digital-availability-faq . I am seriously considering going digital only from now on. If MSFT does not shut this down (IMHO there is very little reason to do so because such tricks can push for console sales as well as direct game purchase from MSFT), I can see this as a serious advantage of XONE over PS4...
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Post by TheHawkNY on Aug 8, 2014 13:27:20 GMT -5
On PS3, you were able to download content to 2 PS3's and play them on the PS3 regardless of which user you were logged in as, were you not? Is it not the same for PS4?
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Post by wittyscorpion on Aug 8, 2014 13:45:04 GMT -5
On PS3, you were able to download content to 2 PS3's and play them on the PS3 regardless of which user you were logged in as, were you not? Is it not the same for PS4? Can you buy one copy of game/DLC/etc and play it on 2 PS4s? Regarding PS Plus, can you have two PSN accounts on two different PS4s sharing one PS Plus membership? If yes, then what I said above is not an XONE specific advantage as I originally thought it would be.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Aug 10, 2014 10:16:30 GMT -5
The answers are what I expect, they need to do it this way so players can drop in and out monthly or yearly as they please. Whether this is a good deal or not should be left to players to decide, so I dont quite understand why Sony wont do it. Maybe it is conflicting with what Sony wants to do themselves?
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Post by mannon on Aug 10, 2014 10:30:43 GMT -5
Looks like on PS4 you register a primary console on which all your content is available to anyone logged into it, and you can still access your content from 1 other temporary console by logging into your account. Logging into a third PS4 logs you out of the other temporary and setting a new primary console replaces the other primary. So as long as the content owner logs into a console other than their primary content is available on two consoles.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Aug 10, 2014 13:44:32 GMT -5
Looks like on PS4 you register a primary console on which all your content is available to anyone logged into it, and you can still access your content from 1 other temporary console by logging into your account. Logging into a third PS4 logs you out of the other temporary and setting a new primary console replaces the other primary. So as long as the content owner logs into a console other than their primary content is available on two consoles. Cool, so essentially the same as XONE: content purchased are attached to a console as well as an account, so playable at the same time by 2 players. With both consoles support this, it is unlikely either side will decide to stop supporting it in the future. This also means that on PS4 digital purchase is more attractive than disc as well. How about PS Plus? Can multiple accounts share the same membership like what gamertags on the Home XBox can do?
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Post by wittyscorpion on Aug 11, 2014 1:22:17 GMT -5
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Post by mannon on Aug 11, 2014 1:47:32 GMT -5
I'm pretty much betting on sony this gen while I was mostly xbox last, but never really bought into the whole fanboy thing for picking sides, especially since I'm really more of a PC gamer that dabbles in consoles, but even there... really, what's the point? These are all just machines. They're useful for entertainment. I can understand getting attached. I've still got my old PS2 and even if it didn't work I would keep it. But why we as a culture feel the need to jump on one bandwagon or another and fling feces at the other camp eludes me. Nintendo vs Sega, Xbox vs Playstation, PC vs Mac, AMD/ATI vs Nvidia, AMD vs Intel... whateves...
In each of those when I had a mutually exclusive choice to make I made it, and did so for various reasons. I could argue those reasons and explain why my choices were rational, but I don't have to assume that people that made the opposite choice were irrational in order to do that. Everyone has their own differing priorities...
Besides... when it comes to economic choices like this it turns out none of us are really very rational at all, much to the dismay of economists. *shrug* (For those keeping score the first console I owned was a SEGA Genesis, I went with 360 for XBL Gold and friends, went with PS4 for exclusives power and friends, PC because macs are expensive and I like making choices about my hardware, usually I get AMD CPU's for the value as I can get a more powerful one for the same price vs Intel... but don't really care. As for video cards... 3Dfx baby! ;3 ahhh... such memories.) Well okay my brother and I jointly owned an Intellivision as our first console, but the Genesis was the first that was strictly mine. Not that I didn't play SNES, my bro got it. heh You see we were strategic like that. Divide and conquer! ;p
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Post by batman on Aug 11, 2014 3:39:51 GMT -5
Looks like on PS4 you register a primary console on which all your content is available to anyone logged into it, and you can still access your content from 1 other temporary console by logging into your account. Logging into a third PS4 logs you out of the other temporary and setting a new primary console replaces the other primary. So as long as the content owner logs into a console other than their primary content is available on two consoles. Cool, so essentially the same as XONE: content purchased are attached to a console as well as an account, so playable at the same time by 2 players. With both consoles support this, it is unlikely either side will decide to stop supporting it in the future. This also means that on PS4 digital purchase is more attractive than disc as well. How about PS Plus? Can multiple accounts share the same membership like what gamertags on the Home XBox can do? As long as they are on the same primary system.
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Aug 11, 2014 9:23:17 GMT -5
But why we as a species feel the need to jump on one bandwagon or another and fling feces at the other camp makes perfect sense when you understand the tribalistic nature of human which is how we survived Racism, sexism, classism, elitism etc...are all just a subset of tribalism. We evolved to stick with similar and avoid dissimilar.
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Post by mannon on Aug 11, 2014 10:55:42 GMT -5
I guess for all of our much celebrated intelligence we are still just stupid apes and most of us still can't use reason well enough to override our instincts. It's probably a good thing we haven't developed the means of colonizing other star systems yet. Lord knows we would fuck over the entire galaxy in record time. Still, though... is it really that hard? Is it really that much to ask of someone that they just not be a biggot?
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Post by wittyscorpion on Aug 11, 2014 14:26:49 GMT -5
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Post by iw5000 on Aug 12, 2014 9:21:57 GMT -5
Because people in the industry, ultimately end up working together sooner or later, via switching jobs. And at the end of the day, it's all just a job to them. That's it. Nothing more or less. That keeps things in perspective and what enables them to laugh it all off and be friendly. And the console/gaming industry isn't any different from others industries. Look at pro sports. NFL football fans would easily (with some booze) start a parking lot brawl with a rival fan before a game. Meanwhile, it's quite common for NFL players, from different teams, to hang out post season. A few years ago, the Pgh Steelers Ben Roethlisberger was hanging out, buddying up post season with Baltimore's Ray Lewis. Same sh1t, different industry. Video gaming people are just as stupid as NFL fans at times.
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Post by TheHawkNY on Aug 12, 2014 9:41:35 GMT -5
Forget about all of the news COD made yesterday - the biggest news in the gaming world is that Skylanders is coming to tablet (Android, Amazon and iOS), released the same day as console, full game, with mobile-specific accessories.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Aug 12, 2014 11:48:01 GMT -5
(This post will be updated throughout the day) Big day in terms of Console War related announcements at Gamescom. First up is MSFT, all reveal can be found at majornelson.com/2014/08/12/todays-gamescom-news-one-place/?linkId=9233466 (as well as articles all over the web) Highlights: 1) Halo 5 beta 12/29 - 01/18, 4v4, 7 maps, 3 game modes, 11 sandbox weapons, probably the most extensive FPS beta in the Console history (for more Halo related info, check out [a href="http://denkirson.proboards.com/thread/7185/halo-master-chief-collection"the Halo MC thread[/a]); 2) Evolve XONE exclusive beta: January 3) XONE Exclusive Quantum Break game play; 4) New XBL exclusives announcements: a) Rise of Tomb Raider, b) StreamRide; 5) Upcoming XONE platform updates and features: a) social related features, b) Media player than can play all the popular media formats you can think of, first USB devices, later DLNA support, c) TV related features; Next up is Sony, recap can be found on various web sites, including: www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-gamescom-2014-press-conference-liveblog/1100-6421652/www.polygon.com/2014/8/12/5995017/ps4s-2014-gamescom-press-conferenceHighlights: 1) 10 million+ PS4 sold so far; 2) A whole bunch of exclusives announcements; 3) A whole bunch of "Playstation first" announcements, including Day Z; 4) Destiny Competitive MP trailer, first Season Pack to be released in December, PS timed exclusive PvP map & PvE Strike available on day one; 5) This is very interesting: other players can join in games with you, co-op or competitive. And they don't have to own or download the game; 6) PlayStation TV will let you pair your PS4 with a second television in your home. November 14 for 99 euros; PS4 bros, what games are you most excited about?
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