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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Jul 27, 2014 18:32:50 GMT -5
Yes it is, not if it's bad but how bad it is. Which that can vary wildly between a 2% increase to a 60% increase of risks, and what exactly the risks are. Any smoke is bad for your lungs though so.
And he specifically does believe they are overpowered which is why I was just dismissing him.
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Post by wings on Jul 28, 2014 8:32:51 GMT -5
No one on this board has made a logical counterargument yet. So sniper rifles have a minor ability in short ranged engagements and that is deemed unacceptable whilst SMGs and ARs are much more viable at distances outside of their intended ranges and that is not an issue? All you have to do is hold the trigger for a little bit longer to make up the damage drop-off at range, which is no biggie. Snipers also got the un-needed nerf for using a suppressor and aim down sights time increased in Ghosts. That and they usually have to suffer with a substandard secondary and pistols rarely stay competitive against primaries as the nerfs to the KAP40 and B23R showed. I guess you are fine with cross map kills with SMGs and ARs though.
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Post by wings on Jul 28, 2014 9:05:56 GMT -5
I should always be at an advantage against a sniper at close range with an AR/SMG/Shotgun. I'm not sure why this is such a difficult concept for most of this forum to grasp. As for the other good reason to fix sniping, look no further than the community, of which snipers are objectively the worst portion. I need not remind everyone of the threats made to David Vonderhaar following the (extremely minor) sniper rifle nerfs he did to fix Black Ops 2. Every game has Search and Destroy lobbies flooded with vulgar internet tough guys and ignorant children looking for montage clips and "reg gunners" to yell at. A Youtuber went into a "sniper rifle only" lobby in CoD4 and was told to leave. When he got a kill with a regular weapon, an angry railgunner messaged him, calling the Youtuber "fat" and hoped that his "grandfather had died in the twin towers*." These awful people and their annoying, disruptive playstyle should not be tolerated, and hopefully nerfing sniper rifles will force arrogant railgunners out of newer titles to create a more mature and accepting environment for normal people to enjoy. * In case you were wondering if this claim is true, as well as see a video that sums up why I dislike snipers, see below. Hating on a particular play style is nothing new. I imagine plenty of people sent abusive messages to Target Finder users in BO2 or users of Martyrdom and Dead Man's Hand in MW3. You make it sound like only the sniper community makes death threats. Did you forget the death threats sent to Robert Bowling over deathstreaks? If that was a public lobby then people have no right how to tell others to enforce limitations on loadout choice. This is what private lobbies are for. My sound is having issues so I couldn't hear anything from the video so if I missed anything from that, then that would be why. While the nerf to the sniper rifles were minor, they were not needed (same with the R870). The game overly favoured running and gunning so they make the least favourable gun for that even worse. The maps were so small that an AR will do for 'long range' anyway and Scavenger is the second best perk behind Toughness in tier 2, while you can always scavenge guns from the floor anyway. You are always at an advantage at close range against a sniper with an AR, SMG or a shotgun due to having a faster rate of fire and less recoil. You can even strafe while snipers can't, since they don't get the accuracy bonus whilst moving. Nerfing the sniper rifles won't make this part of the community go away. They were effectively nerfed from MW2 to MW3 and this part of the Community is still here.
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Post by iw5000 on Jul 28, 2014 11:48:54 GMT -5
I should always be at an advantage against a sniper at close range with an AR/SMG/Shotgun. I'm not sure why this is such a difficult concept for most of this forum to grasp. As for the other good reason to fix sniping, look no further than the community, of which snipers are objectively the worst portion. I need not remind everyone of the threats made to David Vonderhaar following the (extremely minor) sniper rifle nerfs he did to fix Black Ops 2. Every game has Search and Destroy lobbies flooded with vulgar internet tough guys and ignorant children looking for montage clips and "reg gunners" to yell at. A Youtuber went into a "sniper rifle only" lobby in CoD4 and was told to leave. When he got a kill with a regular weapon, an angry railgunner messaged him, calling the Youtuber "fat" and hoped that his "grandfather had died in the twin towers*." These awful people and their annoying, disruptive playstyle should not be tolerated, and hopefully nerfing sniper rifles will force arrogant railgunners out of newer titles to create a more mature and accepting environment for normal people to enjoy. * In case you were wondering if this claim is true, as well as see a video that sums up why I dislike snipers, see below. Hating on a particular play style is nothing new. I imagine plenty of people sent abusive messages to Target Finder users in BO2 or users of Martyrdom and Dead Man's Hand in MW3. You make it sound like only the sniper community makes death threats. Did you forget the death threats sent to Robert Bowling over deathstreaks? If that was a public lobby then people have no right how to tell others to enforce limitations on loadout choice. This is what private lobbies are for. My sound is having issues so I couldn't hear anything from the video so if I missed anything from that, then that would be why. While the nerf to the sniper rifles were minor, they were not needed (same with the R870). The game overly favoured running and gunning so they make the least favourable gun for that even worse. The maps were so small that an AR will do for 'long range' anyway and Scavenger is the second best perk behind Toughness in tier 2, while you can always scavenge guns from the floor anyway. You are always at an advantage at close range against a sniper with an AR, SMG or a shotgun due to having a faster rate of fire and less recoil. You can even strafe while snipers can't, since they don't get the accuracy bonus whilst moving. Nerfing the sniper rifles won't make this part of the community go away. They were effectively nerfed from MW2 to MW3 and this part of the Community is still here. Sniping is CoD's blessing and curse. The ridiculously dumb sniping system brings in the asshats/douchebags of the world, helping to fuel sales. But the same people just stink up the gameplay.
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Post by wings on Jul 28, 2014 12:26:02 GMT -5
Sniping is CoD's blessing and curse. The ridiculously dumb sniping system brings in the asshats/douchebags of the world, helping to fuel sales. But the same people just stink up the gameplay. Quite sure it's more of a disadvantage for COD although I don't have figures to prove this. May be it helped disaffected COD players to move to BF say when MW2 was released?
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Jul 28, 2014 13:33:38 GMT -5
Is this thread seriously going to kick up again because of Hard1ine?
Sniper rifles are crap in CoD.
Sniping has the ability to draw in many bad players who use it as an excuse to play badly or to make up for their inability to get more than one bullet to hit.
The CoD community had many vile subsets who should have been the dressing on their mother's Richard salad and not a pearl in her clam chowder.
No matter how good or bad you make them someone, almost always vocal, will complain about it.
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Post by iw5000 on Jul 28, 2014 14:09:24 GMT -5
Is this thread seriously going to kick up again because of Hard1ine? Why are you surprised? You helped 'kick' it.
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Jul 28, 2014 14:43:45 GMT -5
Good point. I guess what I think I do and what I actually do end up being exclusive many times. I tried to put a nail in the coffin only to knock over the casket and drop the body on the floor.
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Post by Aphoristic on Jul 28, 2014 14:57:46 GMT -5
It's a never ending discussion.
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Post by banana on Jul 31, 2014 0:44:30 GMT -5
snipers are the best /thread
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Post by wwaa on Jul 31, 2014 5:04:41 GMT -5
Ghosts. My kdr w/ SR is 2x kdr with any other class, highest performance since COD4. I was never ever that effective w/ any SR before.
Reason? I do not die dat much: lack of any good secondary to play aggressively and lack of qs converts me into a very passive deadly long range camper. If team moves fwd, I have to stay back or feed some smg idiot (so he feels like a pro later, lol). Guess what I choose.
Results 20:2 or 30:3 are often and I often run out of ammo... /lags & hitmarks say hallo/
Boring, anyway; waste of time.
/everything
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Post by hard1ine on Oct 16, 2014 15:01:16 GMT -5
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Post by wwaa on Oct 16, 2014 15:18:45 GMT -5
AW: "So a player that has perfected play as a sniper, we want to allow that to be a really fulfilling experience, equally balanced to someone who has spent time perfecting their ability to use an assault rifle, a SMG, a shotgun or a grenade launcher. "
great.
"spent time perfecting their ability"
just LOL.
idiots.
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Post by hard1ine on Oct 16, 2014 15:31:36 GMT -5
"spent time perfecting their ability" just LOL. Maybe in CoD4, World at War, and Black Ops 1, but Sledgehammer is just saying that so they don't get any threats from the sniping community's Twitter mob.
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Oct 16, 2014 17:08:04 GMT -5
In other words, ARs and SMGs are gonna dominate the game, and shotguns will be worthless.
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Post by fpsdredd on Oct 16, 2014 17:55:03 GMT -5
Flip a coin, heads they buff and tails they nerf. They sell the same stuff to the media no matter what they decide to do.
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Oct 16, 2014 23:03:36 GMT -5
I already read it days ago, it means literally nothing. It's literally just PR junk language to appeal to the crybabies that think a one hit wonder is overpowered.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 23:48:08 GMT -5
"Are sniper rifles balanced, mister developer?"
"Well, to balance something takes more than just flipping an 'on' or 'off' switch and changing around a few numbers. Taking a one-shot-kill weapon that can potentially kill anyone at any range-"
"BOOORING! Are they balanced compared to other skill weapons?"
"The weird thing about snipers is that they'll always be viable as long as they can drop someone in one hit over a range exceeding any other weapon of-"
"ARE THEY BALANCED OR NOT?!"
"Uh... hm. You know what? Yes. The snipers are balanced."
"Yay."
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Post by wwaa on Oct 17, 2014 9:44:05 GMT -5
I do think that ADS time of 1 minute would do give snipers the opportunity to better perfect their ability to use patience.
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Post by banana on Oct 18, 2014 16:48:29 GMT -5
I did some ttk calcs with quickdraw on ARs and SMGs and iirc (it was a long time ago and I don't feel like doing it again) .3 sec ads for snipers is perf. Or maybe it was .25? lol
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Oct 18, 2014 16:59:10 GMT -5
I feel like they could supplant the sniper class with the Marksman rifle class.
But then again console players think those are OP too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 19:08:39 GMT -5
Pretty much every weapon that's different from an AR or SMG is immediately an OP weapon to the community. Even if it performs like a race horse on LSD someone's going to call it the godsent weapon from hell. In fact we might as well just make the entire weapon roster for CoD ARs and SMGs. To humour the montage community we'll add a shame weapon called "The MLG arsewad". It's just a standard bolt-action sniper rifle that is so generic you character can literally die from boredom firing this weapon. We'll give it a 20% PROC rate of suicide so that it takes skill to use.
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Post by hard1ine on Oct 19, 2014 21:43:59 GMT -5
But then again console players think those are OP too. The Marksman rifles in Ghosts were disgustingly underpowered, barring the slightly below average MR28. I mentioned the Marksman Rifles needing buffs multiple times. Then again, this is the board that was defending the MSBS, a weapon that made the Marksman rifles completely pointless before it was nerfed.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Oct 19, 2014 22:07:25 GMT -5
It was the burst fire Marksman's that console players were screaming for the blood for as I recall with a Whiteboi7thSt video as well calling them OP.
Aim assist too powerful.
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Oct 20, 2014 0:16:42 GMT -5
Marksman Rifles were okay and MSBS didn't need nerf. People throw around the word OP way too much, when they really mean annoying. People just be madcuzbad.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Oct 20, 2014 11:02:22 GMT -5
DMR burst recoil is too high for them to being anything but novelty.
...but they sure are novel. If you haven't already, run around with them in Squads. If you're really high, it almost feels like MW2 burst rifles.
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Post by wings on Oct 20, 2014 13:52:25 GMT -5
Pretty much every weapon that's different from an AR or SMG is immediately an OP weapon to the community. That's because many cannot take being beaten in a gunfight by someone who probably has a higher proficiency of gun skill than themselves. The gem is run and gun advocates spraying their SMGs and then panic when a shotgun can kill beyond 1m. I never understood that one.
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Post by hard1ine on Oct 26, 2014 15:48:43 GMT -5
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Oct 26, 2014 15:53:28 GMT -5
Seriously, did a sniper rifle rape your mother in front of you or something?
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Post by hard1ine on Oct 26, 2014 16:03:43 GMT -5
Seriously, did a sniper rifle rape your mother in front of you or something? No, but a lot of snipers on Black Ops 2 have told me they would if I reg gunned in their lobby again. Glad to see you still can't disagree with someone without resorting to insults. And don't cry too much, the NA 45 is actually pretty interesting. The first shot in the magazine is an explosive, the second is the detonator. www.reddit.com/r/CodAW/comments/2kd0g6/the_na45_blows_people_up_when_you_kill_them/
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