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Post by crazylad10 on Mar 10, 2009 13:23:07 GMT -5
hey den again. i was just wanting to no the stats of the m40 and r700 next to each other.
also which one do u think is actully better for ingame and which one you would choose,
thanks den m8
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Post by Den on Mar 10, 2009 13:56:44 GMT -5
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Post by ssog on Mar 10, 2009 15:03:10 GMT -5
hey den again. i was just wanting to no the stats of the m40 and r700 next to each other. also which one do u think is actully better for ingame and which one you would choose, thanks den m8 The R700 is the worst sniper (and arguably worst gun PERIOD) in the entire game. It has the least bullets, the worst recoil, *AND* the worst scope sway (it's actually the only sniper with worse scope sway than the other 4). Which also means it takes the longest time to settle down when you hold your breath. Basically it's far and away the most inaccurate sniper, with far and away the least ammo and the worst reloading issues (slow and frequent reloads). Does it have any advantages to offset this massive pile of disadvantages? Nope- it deals exactly the same damage as the Barrett, which has more ammo, better recoil, less scope sway, and is semi-auto. In CoD4, your sniper choices are as follows- M21- statistically the best sniper on HC by a mile. On SC, it's often frowned upon because it has the smallest "one hit kill" area, but it can fire two shots quicker and more accurately than any other sniper, making it ideal for anyone who misses, is facing a juggernaut, or is facing someone with Last Stand. Its biggest strength is the ridiculously low recoil. Dragunov- unless you love the accuracy of the M21 and don't mind 2-shot kills, the Dragunov is the most versatile sniper in the game. It's the second best sniper in HC, and arguably the best sniper in SC for anyone who doesn't use Stopping Power (SP is almost useless on the Drag). It has almost as little recoil as the M21, but it has a much larger 1-hit kill region (M21 = just head, Dragunov = head and chest). The best sniper for anyone who wants to use Overkill or UAV Jammer. Also the best *COUNTER-SNIPER* weapon (sniper class designed to kill other sniper classes), because you can pair it with Juggernaut and Last Stand, making you a 3-shot kill while retaining the ability to kill enemy snipers in just 1. Barrett- With SP (and if you're not using SP, why aren't you using the Dragunov or M21?), the Barrett has the largest 1hk region in the game (along with the R700), meaning it's widely considered the most "powerful" rifle. The power comes at a cost- much higher recoil than the Drag/M21, slow reload times, and a distinctive sound that makes you a target from across the map. Still, the recoil is predictable (always up and right), and the Barrett can still fire accurately faster than the M40. M40- With SP, it has the same killzone as the Barrett (although is inferior against Juggernauts). Strengths vs. the Barrett is that it's easier to keep and acquire targets with the M40 because the recoil isn't as terrible. Also, it's MUCH quicker to reload, and you don't have that distinctive sound drawing attention. Weaknesses are that it can't fire as quickly as the Barrett, it's weaker against Juggernauts, and it has less ammo. Also, if you attach an ACOG, it becomes a 1-shot kill to ANY part of the body with Stopping Power (although then it's not really a sniper anymore). Basically, your choice boils down to this: -If you want to use Stopping Power, use the M40 or the Barrett (personal preference)... or possibly the M21 if you just love the feel of it. -If you don't want to use Stopping Power (say you prefer Overkill, Camoflage, Sleight of Hand, Juggernaut, etc), then use the Dragunov... or possibly the M21 if you just love the feel of it. -If you want to play HC, use the M21... or possibly the Dragunov if you only want to set up one sniper class and have it serve as an all-purpose HC/SC gun. -If you want to make your life as difficult as possible while providing no tangible benefits, use the R700. |
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Post by crazylad10 on Mar 10, 2009 16:52:48 GMT -5
wow, thanks ssog that has really really helped, me the only probs now is, do i use the drag or m40 lols, cos i'm not a great fan of the m21, but i only play hardcore, and i hate the barrett to much recoil for the sniper style i am, and i do alot of no scopin so. drag or m40??
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Post by Vis on Mar 10, 2009 18:32:08 GMT -5
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Post by shadz on Mar 10, 2009 20:32:15 GMT -5
The R700 is better than the M40 with perks off.
Perks off the M40 has a small killzone :/
I like the R700 for S&D (I'm accurate and quick).
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Post by imrlybord7 on Mar 11, 2009 6:38:29 GMT -5
The R700 is flat out terrible. There is never a reason to use it unless you really have a thing for the look of the gun.
The M40 is also bad, IMO, because the Barrett is better in every situation, and the Dragunov is better without Stopping Power and in 30 Health Mode.
ssog, I have to disagree with you on the M21 being better than the Barrett without SP. The M21 sucks without SP in 100 Health Mode. The .50 can still get head, neck, and chest shots to kill whereas the M21 has to be a headshot.
But anyway, for 30 Health, you should use the M21 or Dragunov. For some reason I do better with the Dragunov, and when shooting through some walls at a certain angle on targets with a certain amount of health, the Dragunov has better wall penetration to the neck and chest.
For 100 Health, you should use the Dragunov if not using SP, and if you are using SP then I would say .50 cal or M21. I would go with the .50 cal for the stomach kill, but if you would rather have a fast-shooting head-neck-chest kill, then the M21 is better.
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Post by ssog on Mar 11, 2009 16:23:51 GMT -5
wow, thanks ssog that has really really helped, me the only probs now is, do i use the drag or m40 lols, cos i'm not a great fan of the m21, but i only play 30 Health Mode, and i hate the barrett to much recoil for the sniper style i am, and i do alot of no scopin so. drag or m40?? Why aren't you a fan of the M21? In hardcore, all snipers are a 1-shot kill to all body parts, so why not go with the sniper with the least recoil? Anyway, re-read my post. I said that the Dragunov is the second best gun in HC because it has less recoil than anything except the M21. It also has a significantly faster RoF and a significantly higher ammo count than the M40. The R700 is better than the M40 with perks off. Perks off the M40 has a small killzone :/ I like the R700 for S&D (I'm accurate and quick). The M40 might have a small killzone, but it also idles less than the R700. Either way, the Barrett would blow either out of the water. The R700 is flat out terrible. There is never a reason to use it unless you really have a thing for the look of the gun. The M40 is also bad, IMO, because the Barrett is better in every situation, and the Dragunov is better without Stopping Power and in 30 Health Mode. The Barrett isn't better in all situations than the M40. The M40 reloads SIGNIFICANTLY faster, can accurately fire almost as quickly, and of course has the ACOG advantage. Oh yeah, and it's not like you set off a homing beacon for the enemy to follow every single time you pull the trigger. The Barrett, meanwhile, has a very slight edge in accurate RoF and is superior from the hip and against Juggs. Personal preference is for the Barrett, but many prefer the M40, and for good reason. Depends on your shooting style. If you're a strict adherent to the "One Shot, One Kill" philosophy, then yeah, the Barrett will beat the M21's pants off. But then again, there'd be no reason to use the Barrett over the Dragunov (none whatsoever), so there's no need to even include it in the discussion of potentially best non-SP weapons in softcore. It doesn't do anything that the Dragunov doesn't already do better. There is, however, a very big reason to include the M21 in the discussion. There's something it can do that no other gun can replicate- and that's the "Two Shots, One Kill" philosophy. I *love* sniping in SC with an M21 without Stopping Power. The trick is to aim for center mass and pull the trigger twice as quickly as possible. 75-90% of the time (depending on the ranges involved and how quick you are), the second shot will come so quickly that the low recoil from the first hasn't had a chance to take it off target. Which makes the M21 capable of pulling off a very easy 1-burst kill to any part of the body. And best of all, it's the only sniper in the game that's essentially Juggernaut-proof- it's going to take two shots whether the other guy has Jugg or not (haha, get it? Jugg Or Not? I crack myself up...). If you practice it, the M21 behave like a scoped M16. One bit of advice, though- if you're trying the M21 burst-shot, don't hold your breath. Holding your breath increases recoil, so you'll miss your second shot a lot more frequently. So, for traditional snipers without SP, Dragunov all the way. M21 merits special mention for non-traditional snipers. No other rifle can beat out either of those two, so no other rifle gets mentioned. Here's the sniper heirarchy: SC + SP. Traditional choices are Barrett, M40, or M21 (all three are equal, it comes down to preference). SC - SP. Traditional choice is Dragunov. M21 is a wildcard option if you alter your playstyle. HC = M21. Period. The Dragunov is also an acceptable choice if you'd rather just set up one sniper class for both HC and SC. SC + ACOG + SP = M40 or Barrett. M40 gives a bigger killzone, Barrett gives a faster RoF. SC + ACOG - SP = Drag. End of choices. HC + ACOG = M21. End of choices. Maybe a Drag if you again want to just set up one all-purpose HC/SC class. Epic Fail = R700. I think that about covers it. |
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Post by imrlybord7 on Mar 11, 2009 16:34:35 GMT -5
Keep in mind the Barrett has 5 more shots before reloading and double the starting ammo, not to mention it is barely louder than the M40. In first person, yes, but that doesn't matter. In third person the Barrett is just a tiny bit louder, and that is what matters.
I see what you are saying about the 2 shot 1 kill thing and how that makes the M21 a potential best sniper, while the Barrett is beaten by the Drag, but 1 shot 1 kill is ALWAYS better for two reasons. 1) The M21 has very high idle at long range when you aren't holding your breath. 2) At long range that tiny bit of recoil is more than enough to prevent you from getting the kill, especially on a moving target.
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Post by vomitus on Mar 12, 2009 11:35:56 GMT -5
M40 and R700 are pro snipers.
1hit kills are a beautiful thing.
Dragunov probably the worse.
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Post by crazylad10 on Mar 12, 2009 12:02:13 GMT -5
one of the main people i think have done this best is ssog so thx m8 as he isn't been fully biast he as done wot i asked really so thx m8, and thx 4 ur quick response for the 1st main Q den so thx m8.
and also it does depend on the sniper style u have tht is a reason y i hate the barrett, and not a huge fan of the drag, but from wot u av said ssog m8 i think i might try to m21 from ur recomendation =)
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Post by ssog on Mar 12, 2009 16:35:23 GMT -5
Keep in mind the Barrett has 5 more shots before reloading and double the starting ammo, not to mention it is barely louder than the M40. In first person, yes, but that doesn't matter. In third person the Barrett is just a tiny bit louder, and that is what matters. I see what you are saying about the 2 shot 1 kill thing and how that makes the M21 a potential best sniper, while the Barrett is beaten by the Drag, but 1 shot 1 kill is ALWAYS better for two reasons. 1) The M21 has very high idle at long range when you aren't holding your breath. 2) At long range that tiny bit of recoil is more than enough to prevent you from getting the kill, especially on a moving target. It's not just about the Barrett being louder, it's about the shot being so distinctive that it draws opportunists like flies to honey. The M40 can blend in with ambient battle noise much better. The Barrett is a signal flare. Doesn't really matter most of the time, since most people never actually bother listening to the battle around them, but a lot of the guys I play with have Turtle Beaches and announcing your presence with a Barrett is a good way to make yourself a target. Of course, since I consider myself better than average with a claymore and handy with a DEagle I don't really mind announcing my presence, so I still prefer the Barrett. As for the M21... you prefer 1S1K. That's fine. I'm telling you from extensive personal experience, though, that 2S1K works just fine as long as you practice it and adapt your playstyle accordingly. Before I really fell in love with the Drag (it's my always-forever sniper now), I spent a lot of time using nothing but an M21 + Claymores + UAV Jammer + Last Stand on all maps and all gametypes (except HQ). M40 and R700 are pro snipers. 1hit kills are a beautiful thing. Dragunov probably the worse. What do you mean by "pro snipers"? Do you mean that they're the best snipers, and that's why the pros use them? Or do you mean that they're a worst and so you have to be a pro to overcome their disadvantages? |
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Post by imrlybord7 on Mar 12, 2009 23:16:47 GMT -5
vomitus clearly has no idea what is going on. Someone please show him the door.
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Post by shadz on Mar 13, 2009 10:50:46 GMT -5
Dragunuv (without Stopping Power) is as good as M40. No doubts.
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Post by imrlybord7 on Mar 13, 2009 22:14:19 GMT -5
Without SP the M40 might be the worst sniper (around the R700). So obviously the Drag without SP destroys the M40 without SP.
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Post by shadz on Mar 14, 2009 8:26:28 GMT -5
Without SP it IS the worst sniper.
M21 is basically the burst-sniper
Drag isn't affected by SP on a direct shot
R700 has better mults than the M40
Barrett same as R700 and rate of fire&ammo.
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Post by crazylad10 on Mar 14, 2009 8:32:37 GMT -5
right after doin alot more playin with all the rifles, i have found that the drag is probs the best sniper out of them all, on the hardcore mode which is what i only play, after the drag the m40 is in a close 2nd the only thing tht is makin it not 1st for me after all this playin is that it is the bolt action which does slow u down if you miss your 1st shot, after the m40 it is the m21, i found this rifle gd, but the style of sniper of which i am it didn't tick all the boxes for me, to some1 else this would be 1 of the best rifles on the game, after the m21 it is the barrett, quite a bit of sway for the gun, when shot has that bad sound of where every1 now knows where u are, also it has alot of recoil so if u miss 1st shot it takes a bit so get in bak on the running ememy and if on a still he knows where u are from the flash and then takes you too long to get back on him, then in last and always will be is the r700, to much sway, bad accuracy i found, bolt action so if u miss 1st too slow to activate the next shot so if u miss ur dead takes way too long to zero-in when holding breathe it really is bad so for the way i play and a most of my m8s, here are the ratings out of 10 for the order we had got,
drag: 9/10
m40: 8/10
m21: 5/10
barrett: 3/10
r700: 0.5/10
so thanks for all your help guys, really helped me and now i am the sniper i want to be thanks to all your help so thank you so much, and thanks den, for creating this forumn so all these great people including yourself to help with the problem.
thank you bros!!
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Post by Vis on Mar 14, 2009 9:31:23 GMT -5
You're an idiot.
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Post by shadz on Mar 14, 2009 14:22:56 GMT -5
Well just for the sake of it.
The R700 is NOT a bad weapon.
Just learn to aim. A good sniper won't be scoped in more than the default hold breath time anyway.
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Post by Vis on Mar 14, 2009 22:57:45 GMT -5
The Skorpion isn't a bad weapon; I got a 25 kill streak with it yesterday.
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Post by vomitus on Mar 15, 2009 3:01:37 GMT -5
vomitus clearly has no idea what is going on. Someone please show him the door. sorry for english :S I think they are the good snipers is what I mean. |
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Post by imrlybord7 on Mar 15, 2009 10:09:46 GMT -5
Ok people. This is just getting annoying. We are on a website based around stats, so LISTEN UP.
Core -SP=Dragunov
Core +SP=Barrett or M21 (no, the M40 does not make the cut)
The Barrett destroys everything with SP, except the M21 which is a different playstyle. The Dragunov destroys everything without SP unless you burst fire with the M21, which I still think is only effective against easy targets.
Hardcore=M21, although I will admit that for some reason I prefer the Dragunov
In Hardcore you should not use anything but the M21 or Dragunov
The R700 is HORRIBLE. Without SP it beats the M40 but loses miserable to the Dragunov and .50 cal, and in some opinions the M21 (not my opinion). With SP it loses miserably to the .50 cal and M40, and in some opinions the M21 (here I would agree with the M21). In Hardcore it is far and away the worst sniper in the game.
Higher idle than any sniper, 4 shot magazine, very low starting ammo, low ROF. The only time the R700 has an advantage over any other sniper is in Core without SP against the M40 and M21.
Just because you do well with a gun doesn't make it good.
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Post by shadz on Mar 15, 2009 16:52:25 GMT -5
No but you can't slate a gun as a 'bad weapon' if it's stats appear weaker.
Statistically, it is the same strength as the Dragunov without Stopping Power and is bolt action. This makes it a viable option for people wanting to roll with a secondary perk - such as Overkill or UAV Jammer.
I'll admit it has a downside - the sway is obviously horrible.
Some people prefer bolt actions to semi autos which is where the R700 would come out over the Barrett or Dragunov without Stopping Power, functionality and preference.
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Post by Vis on Mar 15, 2009 17:26:29 GMT -5
Bolt-actions are more accurate than semi-autos.
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Post by imrlybord7 on Mar 15, 2009 18:17:04 GMT -5
All weapons in CoD except shotties are perfectly accurate while sighted.
That said, the R700 is generally considered the least accurate sniper due to the higher sway. vis, you clearly know nothing about CoD, so please stop posting until you do some research.
And shadz, why in the world would you equate the R700's strength to the Dragunov? Yes, without SP they do the same damage, but in all situations the R700 does the same damage as the .50 cal. Anyway, it loses horribly to both of them. People who prefer bolt actions are just to impatient to use semi-autos and end up mashing the trigger. They use a built in limiter that actually makes the weapon worse in order to compensate for their own inability. And people keep forgetting about ammo here. 4 round magazine, and only 12 or 16 (don't remember) shots total. And the R700 has pretty bad recoil. It resets before the next shot, but it can make you lose sight of the target.
Oh and crazy, I forgot to say that those ratings are horrible.
In 30 Health, it goes
M21>Dragunov>>>>>>>>>>.50 cal>>>>>>>>>>>M40>>>>>>>>>>>>>>R700
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Post by imrlybord7 on Mar 15, 2009 22:16:16 GMT -5
In CALL OF DUTY, which is what this board is about, all snipers have the same accuracy except the R700, which is less accurate due to higher idle sway.
In real life, of course bolt actions are more accurate.
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Post by bpmachete on Mar 16, 2009 0:39:42 GMT -5
If you are not using Stopping power use the R700. With Stopping Power M40
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Post by shadz on Mar 16, 2009 13:06:43 GMT -5
@bord
Recoil and sway shouldn't make a difference because let's face it you really shouldn't be scoped in more than 3 seconds.
And it has 16 bullets total, unless you have a 16:1 KDR don't moan about it's ammo.
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Post by sketchybrown on Mar 17, 2009 8:26:36 GMT -5
In real life, of course bolt actions are more accurate. pics or it didn't happen If you are not using Stopping power use the R700. With Stopping Power M40 I used to think this way until I realized the R700 has an idle of 60, 1.5x that of the other snipers (which idle at 40). If you can deal with that increase in sway, more power to you (I can - I love me some R700 - feels so powerful to shoot... love the sound, etc...). But for simplicity in sniping, the Barett wins out... low idle and same killing power as the R700. The only problem is that piercing sound it makes which lets everyone know where you are. ---- Its kind of funny how they modified this trend in W@W: All the (bolt action) snipers have the LARGE sway value of 60. Then when you hit Level 57(?) you unlock the PTRS-41, the only semi-auto sniper*. The PTRS-41 has the SMALL sway value of 40 AND has the best overall killing power of any of the snipers... I think it's done to make Prestige an even more difficult decision. I know its going to prevent me from taking that leap... *(besides the POS "2x headshot - otherwise uselesss" Garand) |
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Post by crazylad10 on Mar 17, 2009 11:55:32 GMT -5
Oh and crazy, I forgot to say that those ratings are horrible. In 30 Health, it goes M21>Dragunov>>>>>>>>>>.50 cal>>>>>>>>>>>M40>>>>>>>>>>>>>>R700 they are just wot me and some mates had survayed them at with the sniper style we have, as it is nearly the same just a few differences. so it was only our views which isn't maybe the order so other people think, but thanks anyway |
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