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Post by robesh on May 16, 2009 19:46:52 GMT -5
What do you guys think about the M16 in Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare?
I've heard a lot that it is overpowered, and I can see why people feel so. The M16 shoots a 3-shot-burst at 950 rpm, much faster than other guns. The delay between bursts is ridiculously short, it has no sway, and even the fact that it operates in burst fire makes it strong, because burst fire is almost always better than full-auto spray.
I feel the M16 is overpowered for the following reasons: - shoots a 3-round-burst at 950 rpm - The delay between bursts is short, making it shoot at 450 rpm. - It operates in 3-round-burst - It has no sway
I would rather the M16 be overpowered than underpowered, because frankly, if the M16 were underpowered the game would become all about spraying.
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Post by iKONIG on May 16, 2009 23:45:22 GMT -5
Maybe in MW2 they can have body multipliers. Like it only kills in a 1 hit burst only to the top torso. Or I guess they can make the RPM slower, making it less of a *LASER*
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Post by robesh on May 17, 2009 11:28:18 GMT -5
I agree. It's silly that the M16 seems to kill in 1 shot to the foot while the sniper rifles(M40 ACOG excluded) don't.
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Post by slashdolo on May 17, 2009 13:13:11 GMT -5
The M16 is definitely OP on consoles. It's ridiculously easy to use; virtually no recoil and no idling. Needs to do a flat out 30 damage, no more, no less, to be balanced in its current state.
On the PC? In public servers I imagine it would be, but I can't say as I've never played COD4 on the PC.
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Post by Den on May 17, 2009 13:19:28 GMT -5
M16 + Aim Assist = REAL ULTIMATE OMEGA BETA TITANIUM METAL POWER
M16 - Aim Assist = This gun is okay but a full automatic weapon is much more reliable.
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Post by shadz on May 17, 2009 18:49:53 GMT -5
Aim Assist isn't THAT good.
Trust me.
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Post by imrlybord7 on May 17, 2009 22:59:45 GMT -5
Yes, Aim Assist IS that good. Try playing a game with friendly fire on and everybody on the same team.
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Post by iKONIG on May 18, 2009 1:00:46 GMT -5
^^ TRUE THAT
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Post by Protolisk on May 18, 2009 4:33:19 GMT -5
If its console with aim assist eg. Xbox 360. Its way too powerful. So easy to get 1 burst kills.
On pc you'll be lucky if you get them with 1 burst. Better to use a G36C.
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Post by iKONIG on May 24, 2009 19:46:02 GMT -5
^^ even the G36c has a pretty slow TTK!
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Post by shadz on May 25, 2009 7:57:35 GMT -5
Sorry but I completely disagree.
I play with Friendly Fire ON a lot of the time because of clan matches etc, and I don't think I ever kill a team mate with M16. Grenades, yes.
Having said that, I've turned off that little option in the menu that 'disables' aim assist, whether or not it's still there I don't know.
Point being, judgement and awareness > aim assist
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Post by vomitus on May 26, 2009 12:52:01 GMT -5
Sorry but I completely disagree. I play with Friendly Fire ON a lot of the time because of clan matches etc, and I don't think I ever kill a team mate with M16. Grenades, yes. Having said that, I've turned off that little option in the menu that 'disables' aim assist, whether or not it's still there I don't know. Point being, judgement and awareness > aim assist I think the point may have been that their is no aim assist on team mates, making it harder to kill team mates in a sense.
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Post by crazylad10 on May 26, 2009 13:29:52 GMT -5
well i find on the PC it isnt that overpowered, as it is very under used, most people use the p90, m4, ak47/74u and the LMGs as they just like to spray and pray, so im not sure it is overpowered =/
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Post by shadz on May 26, 2009 19:28:01 GMT -5
Sorry but I completely disagree. I play with Friendly Fire ON a lot of the time because of clan matches etc, and I don't think I ever kill a team mate with M16. Grenades, yes. Having said that, I've turned off that little option in the menu that 'disables' aim assist, whether or not it's still there I don't know. Point being, judgement and awareness > aim assist I think the point may have been that their is no aim assist on team mates, making it harder to kill team mates in a sense. Maybe I interpreted it incorrectly. However, auto-aim even on a regular server is not as powerful as you guys think. For auto aim to come in use the enemy must be in a very short distance, and who in their right mind uses M16 + Aim at short distance? Yes it's good but it's not THAT good. I think perhaps guys on the PC should try using the M16 on Xbox or PS3.
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Post by imrlybord7 on May 27, 2009 14:36:50 GMT -5
Dood. WTF are you smoking? 1. I was referring to a team killing match in which all players are on the same team in order to "turn off" auto aim. 2. That option doesn't do anything in multiplayer, even if you select it from the multiplayer screen. 3. Yes, judgement and awareness > aim assist, but if you combine the three it is domination. 4. Auto aim is effective at a pretty long distance. I don't know what game you've been playing... 5. It is that good.
Here is a nice little anecdote to further support my point. I am OMFGWTFBBQLEETSAUCE good at CoD4 (probably in the top few thousand players in the world in terms of a combination of reflexes, aim, strategy, and tactics). But even I wouldn't normally be capable of what I am about to describe.
The game was 9 v 9 Domination on Bloc. It was my last game of the night, so I felt like showing off/being a douche. I pulled out the M16 w/ RDS, Bandolier, Stopping Power, and Steady Aim. Within the FIRST 50 SECONDS OF THE GAME I had a 16 KILL STREAK. THAT IS ABSURD.
No idle sway + medium wall penetration + low recoil + fast reload + decent hip accuracy + high damage + 925 RPM bursts + 95% mobility = win to the point of being broken.
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Post by shadz on May 27, 2009 19:51:10 GMT -5
I don't smoke. 1. It wouldn't affect my gameplay, I'm sure. I'll test, whatever. 2. I didn't think so, but I did note it just incase it did. 3. -_- 4. Apparently nor do I. aim assist most certainly does not affect ME at long range. 5. -_-
Perhaps I am missing what aim assist IS exactly. I am correct in saying that the game moves your aiming reticule to follow the enemy yes?
I am also happy to do a test on this and record it & upload to youtube (once my vegas stops crashing me >_>) for your benefit.
That is a good feat, admittently, but you could've achieved the same results using other assault rifles or LMGs too. And I'm fairly sure you'll agree that every now and again, everyone (or every good player) will have a great start. For instance, it's not often that you'll get big nade, then pull off a 3/4/5 airstrike and having a chopper rip up - but it happens. Nor is it common for a SnD triple on Crossfire in a public lobby - but it happens.
Limiting yourself to one example is stupid and just one way of making the M16 seem better than it is.
Another example; You may know of XCITER, one of the PS3 COD4 players that held a VERY high spot in kills for a long time, has a 6.15ish ratio that is getting better frequently, he uses M16 every now and again but still cites the AK47 as better, and he sure does better with it too... My doubles partner is his fanboy and bitch so as you can imagine I end up in a fair few games with him.
You've just told me you're a great player, so the statistics of the M16 are irrelavent because if you're as good as you say you are, you can do well with any gun.
I think you need to stop judging weapons solely on their statistics but how you peform with them and how they play on each map. For instance, it's pretty stupid to use a G3 on Shipment, or an Uzi on Pipeline.
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Post by iKONIG on May 27, 2009 20:35:09 GMT -5
I Think . . .
What he means by aim assist is that when you fire from the hip its a one burst kill. You dont need steady aim in CQB areas with this bad boy coz your got aim assist to do half your work.
And for smoking . . .
Dood! No-Body likes a Try-Hard, Just becoz you agree on something and another person doesnt, IT DOES NOT mean that you can put them down, like all you other post for example (yes ive read them) This is what the true bro status stands for. We're all bros here, so theres no need to be a Dick about it!
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Post by imrlybord7 on May 28, 2009 7:46:16 GMT -5
Aim assist is much more than following your target. If your aimer is very close to or on the target your turn sensitivity is decreased greatly. And I think you might have some misconceptions of what "following the target" means. If you are aiming at someone and they sprint away, the auto aim will not do very much. However, if they just move a little bit, your aimer will stick to them like glue, and you won't even notice it. You'll think that you are the one doing the microadjustments because it just feels natural. That's why I said you have to do the teamkilling match to see just how effective aim assist really is.
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Post by qupie on May 28, 2009 10:43:49 GMT -5
If you use hip fire, say with the MP40, does auto aim help there as well? if your target is in the croshair, do you hit more of the bullets with auto aim? and can that be an explanation why with leg you miss alot more of your spray shots?
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Post by shadz on May 28, 2009 10:50:33 GMT -5
Ok, just come off of COD4 after doing a team killing match. We did a private match hardcore TDM and played like it was a free for all.
And I dno, maybe it's just you. I still played fine and how I normally do. I came second to my doubles partner ;(
@konig, I did say that aim assist was useful in CQB. Doesn't matter though, in clan matches I use Dead Silence and in pubs I use Deep Impact with my M16.
Nobody likes a try-hard? Since when? I'll try hard when I play because I like to get good scores, not sure about you though :/ I try not to be a 'dick', but I know I'm cynical and pessimistic and maybe I come across that way. I don't intend to insult anyone at all.
And no, true bro is simply what you get for writing that comment at the end of your first post.
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Post by Den on May 28, 2009 11:19:27 GMT -5
true bro is simply what you get for writing that comment at the end of your first post. This guy has the right idea.
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Post by imrlybord7 on May 28, 2009 12:56:46 GMT -5
Don't make it 30 health mode. Just turn on friendly fire.
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Post by shadz on May 28, 2009 19:18:55 GMT -5
I'm sure it won't make a difference.
Surely players of YOUR calibre can aim with the M16 well enough to get one-burst kills.
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Post by imrlybord7 on May 29, 2009 1:33:26 GMT -5
One bullet is much easier than 3-4, regardless of weapon choice or skill level. Nice attempted shot, I guess.
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Post by shadz on May 29, 2009 11:41:14 GMT -5
How is that relavent?
You can kill with one-burst in HC and one-burst in normal. Especially considering your skill which you were bragging about.
Ease makes no difference.
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Post by robesh on May 29, 2009 12:03:14 GMT -5
I agree, don't put it on 30 health mode.
If you want to test the effectiveness of aim-assist, don't do it on 30 health.
Just do regular team deathmatch, with friendly fire on. Have everyone join the same team and act like its ffa.
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Post by iKONIG on May 29, 2009 17:14:45 GMT -5
I was referring to imrlybord7.
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Post by imrlybord7 on May 29, 2009 19:36:27 GMT -5
3 bullets = .13 seconds 1 bullet = 0 seconds .13/0=undefined Pretty simple math, bro. And I'm not a dick, I'm just condescending toward stupid people. We have all of this information at our disposal, yet people still manage to be completely clueless on the very site that provides the information. It's utterly flabbergasting, and I refuse to be nice about it. It just wouldn't be right to tolerate it.
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Post by shadz on May 29, 2009 19:40:06 GMT -5
Whatever then I'll check it out next time I'm on.
@konig, sorry then, internet can be hard to interpret.
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Post by ssog on Jun 4, 2009 0:11:34 GMT -5
How is that relavent? You can kill with one-burst in HC and one-burst in normal. Especially considering your skill which you were bragging about. Ease makes no difference. The power of Aim Assist on the M16 doesn't come into play so much on the first shot as it does on the 2nd and the 3rd. Getting the 1st shot on target generally is a function of player skill, but getting the 2nd and 3rd shots to land (resulting in a 1-burst kill) is greatly aided by Aim Assist. On the PC, the M16 will get 1-burst kills much less frequently (which is why it's not so uber on PC). That's why it's relevant that you were playing in HC. In HC, every shot from the M16 is a kill, so once again it comes down to just landing the first shot (which is mostly a function of player skill). The 2nd and 3rd shot can fly way off the mark (which they're more likely to do sans Aim Assist) and you're still getting a 1-burst kill. Personally, I think the M16 is overpowered on the consoles, but not any more overpowered than the other overpowered weapons (mostly the RPD, which I personally feel is even better than the M16 if you don't mind playing at a slightly slower pace). The AK47 without attachments, the MP5, and the ACOG'd M40 are also equally overpowered in SC, and in HC nothing at all can compare to the G3, M21, and M249.
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