MW2 quick and dirty "playtesting" stats

[toysrme]

So ive been in MP for roughly 5 days now. lvl 45 have most of the guns unlocked but not all.

I keep hearing PC guys in my livestream say MW2 is delayed on PC so... That means for us console players well be MW2 statsless for afew days.
This is my best guess to give you guys an idea on the gun balance (with admittantly little time on some weapons). I am 100% confidant atleast half of this will be be INCORRECT information! It just what weapons "feel" like in context to each other and having played alot of COD4 & W@W.


(Will take me awhile 2 write about them so Ima do it as I go)

[toysrme]

Attachments:
FMJ = deep impact
Rapid Fire = Double Tap
Akimbo = absoFFFFing useless. crazyest time to kill in the game... at 5 feet away... otherwise forget it
rds still RDS
Holographic Sight = slightly different looking rds - this sight increases your auto-aim in some capacity. guns with this on tend to RAPE non HS equipped weapons in accuracy. High recoil weapons suddenly become very useable at range with HS equipped (tar 21, FAL, etc)
Grenade Launcher is still cool. blast radious not ot much or little. autoaim is very short. (skill tube woot). can be upgraded to under-barrel shotgun
shotgun attachment. 2 shot pump action. seems deadly enough... really handy on the FAMAS or M16 when you want some close range goodness without taking steady aim
thermal scope. absoFFFFing useless in most maps in most situations. it's the upgrade from the ACOG scope HOWEVER it's actually a sniper scope... meaning it zooms to FFFFing close in! the plus side is that there is a boatload of grass in most maps and you can clear as day see people in grass.

extended mags, +50% clip capacity. typically would go bling, EM+, or skip EM for scavanger pro

aaand the biggest change.
ACOG.
they tossed the cevron for a croshair. acog FFFFing sucks. the horizontal idle is perfect. the vertical idling is so massive its best left to mouse users that can compensate quicker for it.


Weapons:
(beside the weapon I will be listing the current weapon progress)


ARs:
gl->shotgun, s, rds, acog, hbs, HS, thermal, fmj

M4A1 1000/1000
Definately another fast firing, range accurate 30-20 damage gun. This is the gun to use in 3rd person teams! As before it's a good all-arounder. This gun is crazy accurate with a holographic sight!

FAMAS 171/300
3 round burst. The rpm the burst is fired at is fast, making the accuracy VERY high! should be 40-30 damage. IMO it "feels" like the time between bursts is longer than the COD4 m16 (trying to cut down on the console M16 whiners no doubt)

Works exactly like the cod4 M16. Very Very powerful if you can connect 2-3 bullets every burst! Very doo-dooty up close hip-firing without steady aim on. You need to luck into it abit. (shotgun attachment can fill that void.)

SCAR-H 1000/1000
This gun is AMAZING *IF* you can deal with a 20 round clip. One of the best iron sights in the game. It easily dominates in FFA & S&D. Because of the ammo a silencer must NOT be used with this weapon! Heartbeat sensor in FFA or S&D lights the game up! (also take HBS on airstrike? the one with the downed C-130)

TAR-21 415/500
His holy doo-doo. The gun from heaven! Im thinking cod4 ak47 clone (with tweaking). It obviously does 40-30 damage. Is a medium speed automatic fire (just slow enough to get you in trouble up close VS high rpm weapons). The reciol after afew bullets is HUGE.
Using the holographic sight on this weapon for the aim assist bonus reeeeeally brings the recoil back in check some. If you're a high accuracy player - look into this weapon!

FAL 364/500
Ok... So its the Semi Auto G3/M14 go around. And its definately a hybrid of both. It has MUCH more recoil than the G3, but not quite half as much as the M14 (yay!), fires around 450-550rpm (rapidfire). The muzzle flash in rapid fire IS annoying (yay!)
Seems to be 40-30 damage. It 2 hit kills alot. Honestly... Unless this gun secritly does 40 damage at any range, its probably pretty out matched based solely on the recoil.

20 round clip can be a liability

BTW... EVERYONE should be required to spend atleast 2 hours on this gun purely to watch the reloading animation. Its as sexy the first time you notice it as the first time you look down at your ... and see a bright red lipstick rings around it!

M16A4 284/300
So the noob laser got its mini-nerf! some iron sight wall shooting in a match makes me really feel 100% that the vertical recoil is higher. That 2nd bullet is not quite where the 3rd one use to be.
The RPM itself seems lower (prolly accounting for more recoil, if its not im being faked out by the audio) to balance that the burst delay could be a tad shorter to keep the average RPM higher

Nerf or No, its still a great gun if you can get atleast 2 of 3 bullets on target often!

ACR 49/75
Low damage gun. Great sight on it. Not sure if I like it yet, but its useable in core.

F2000 71/75
EXTREMELY high RPM & recoil AR. insanely good needle sight on it.

AK-47
n/a




SMGs
RF, rds, s, acog, fmj, akimbo

mp5k 2/10
skipped it. i pick them up in FFA and people fall over dead...

UMP45 41/75
deadly but dont like the recoil

Vector 168/300
OMGWTFTHISGUNOWNZU
30-20 damage (possibly 20 damage)
Gun has extremely high cyclic rate and with the rapidfire (double tap) attachment combined with stopping power it is flat CRAAAZY. eats up the 3 round clip. Kinda like the mini uzi, but up close this gun is DEVASTATING to the 1-2 people you can kill on it per clip. (beware the ammo capacity and often reloads! keep this one topped off!)

P90 54/75
Same gun, even more useful now that you can combine DT & SP & slight of hand & extended mags

mini-uzi 14/25
Seems like old uzi. Not sure why Id ever take this over the P90???

LMGs
g, rds, s, acog, fmj

L86 LSW 3/10
hate it. period

RPD 8/10
same ownage, new camos! (recoil can reduce its effectiveness, LOS/LOF on average is farther out on alot of maps now)

MG4 28/75
fun gun, but its weak as piss. GREAT in 3rd person! likely 30-30 or 30-20 damage. Super low recoil & fairly high fire rate to balance it.

AUG HBAR 114/150
Changed my mind about this gun. IF you take a grip on it its pretty dang good. Damage is high. I aint used it enough to form a guess.
40-30, 40-, 45-35, 50-40, maybe 50-.
small clip size does = faster reloading tho.

M240 48/75
Like the old SAW. Shoots medium damage bullets like a mad fool. Iron sight is much improved. LIke the AUG Id really only suggest this gun with a grip on it.

Snipers
s, HBS, ACOG, TS, EXM

Intervention 49/75
M40 clone, box mag. Good gun Not the gun you want to silence. I doubt seriously ACOG scope no longer gives 105 damage cause I just aint getting the ACOG 1 hit kills like M40+ACOG

Barrett 24/25
Good silenced gun. will NOT 1 hit kill silenced at a reasonable sniping range. neck & head will. IDT upper chest does

WA2000 98/150
HOLY @(*%$&@)($*&%^()%$
Low damage sniper, LOW recoil (M21 or less) with INSANELY FAST center speed. 8 round burst. This gun is CRAZY good. Will rapid fire very fast too... Just sayin!

M21 EBR 121/150
Oh my GOD this gun is good! Rules school any way you want to go (be ready to 2 shot ppl). Slightly worse recoil & re-center time than the WA2000 but worth it to gain damage modifier & larger clip size. So sweet silenced or acog'd

Riot shield 4/5
Hillariously fun with marathon+lightweight+commando and blast shield to cut down the tube/nade deaths (simtex to me still seems like it 1 hit kills you)




Secondary

machine pistols:
rds, fmj, ak, HS, EXM

PP2000 26/50
high fire rate, good up close, crazy recoil at medium range (upwards). If you can keep it on target the entire time. This WILL put down a player at medium range around the end of the clip (assuming normal 15-20% player accuracy range)
Like running around with a skorpian. probably 30-20 or 40-20 damage tho

G18 39/50
nice 30 round clip. Sexy as hell. Good animations. recoil jumps striaght up then to me seems to dance around left & right once it's hit its recoil limit. honestly prolly same basic stats as the PP2000

M93 raffica 13/25
this is a GREAT pair for an AR if you're not getting extra ammo!
3 round burst is dangerous at range! at a medium range Ive 1 burst killed people with stopping power (suggesting 30-20 out to a good range, or 40-20 normal)

TMP
N/A
It shoots. LoL


Shotguns - be-warned I do not really use the shotguns, BUT have an EXTREME hardon for the AA12 and ranger! people do own me when they get silenced shotguned in the back tho its hillarious!

rds, s, g, fmj, HS, EXM


SPAS-12, 0/10
dun know not a shooty user

AA-12, 39/75
the auto-shotty. not the fastest automatic, but yes it is a BEEEEAAAAAST up close. great pair with medium-long range guns like the FAL that are severly lacking up close

Striker, 0/10
n/a

Ranger, 2/10 Note, akimbo fmj only
I know that shotgun range isn't far, but this baby takes the COD shotgun all time cake! Last night with 50 people watching I jumped off a 2nd story and double shot a dude covered more than 3/4 of his body behind inpenitrable boxes mid-air.
It was insane!


M1014
dun know not a shooty user

model 1887
n/a

HANDGUNS
rds, s, fmj, akimbo, HS, EXM

USP .45 0/10
meh... blah M9 beretta eats its ass up

.44 Magnum 23/50
HARDON for this gun! 2 hit kill up close, 6 rounds, fires almost as fast as you can pull the trigger. bearable reload
The sight on this pistol... Its AMAZING (and high viz orange lawlz) Its 45/50 damage to 20/29/30 damage. Likely 29-30 at range cause ive popped people beyond medium range with it manual shooting all 6 bullets fairly fast.

M9 9/10
Fires very fast. Great pistol if you dont like the 44 mag.

Desert Eagle 0/10
n/a sucks 30 Health Mode in single player. retardidly slow firing speed with insane recoil.

LAUNCHERS

AT4-HS 2/10.
idk sometimes i pick them up and blind fire a corridore?

thumper x2 4/10
OMG I LOVE HK69's! unfortunately as mucha s hk69's own every game they've ever been in, they renamed it because of how bad it sucks. only 2 rounds. splash radious is low. better count of having a Skill Cannon + this + danger close (+25% explosive damage). on the positive scavanger would give you near infinate ammo on that setup if you're very careful!

Stinger 0/10
never fired one, cant say. vehicles ONLY. has a cool plexiglass blast shield tho.

Javelin
Took down a heli? Sometimes errors out if too close Works like the one from cod4 SP tho. really cool!

RPG-7 x2
N/A

[toysrme]

Equipment:
frag grenades got the MEGA nerf.
im going out on a limb to equate this but take the kill radious decrease going from cod4 to W@W, and decrease it by that mount AGAIN bawahahahaha.
somone can throw a grenade / mardardom a grenade and you can continue to sprint forward past it the vast majority of the time now. YAY! lawlz!

simtex is fun. you hear it beeping before it goes off. Also 1 hit kills riot shield users. (very handy as having 1 good strategically & tactically sound riot shield users on your HQ or CTF team makes it sooooo much easier!

throwing knife = 1 hit kill. short distance arc, but you can heavy it real far. (ive been streaming/lagging so much i cant hit anything less its far away luck)

tactical insertion is the big bad beast ownage of almost every gametype LoL!

blast shield is cool now! -25% explosive damage but ONLY when you pull the shield over your face. (which give you tunnel vision & removes radar. IMO you have a slight movement penalty decrease, could be wrong & its just the change in view)

claymore, you only get one now and scrabler pro makes the trigger time 2 seconds.

C4. its c4 its fun




special grenades
2x flash
2x stun
1x smoke. introducing the return of the amazing smoke grenade! after the insane nerf in W@W the smoke grenade is bigge thicker and awesomer than COD4's massive smoke grenade

[toysrme]

Perks & misc:

you can look them up elsewhere, and pretty much guess all the stats are carried over.

lightweight pro is the funnest perk in awhile with an SMG (if you're very good at dodging shit) you can make up the damage decrease from the lack of stopping power by attaching rapid fire (DT).



biggest quesiton in the game for the majority of halfway smart players is going to be scavanger pro (adds 1 clip to guns, even launchers, tubes nades) + full ammo (bandoleer) VS slight of hand pro (-50% reload time -50% aim down sight time). SMG, mp's, sguns, pistols are near instant ADS with this. downright silly what this does sometimes with holographic sight LOL!

bling... its good, but you better pick something good for a secondary cause youll be running out of ammo.










btw ammo in this game is interesting... obviously none are shy of ammo, yet you will run through it ALOT because of the ranges of the maps. I wont say maps are "bigger" its just that there's more junk in them to block your view (keep polygon counts low), and there is alot more vertical fighting.

so you change fighting distances very, very often. it can catch you offgaurd till you learn the maps.

there-hence-forth
less you're very accurate your best bet is likely to pick an AR on most maps. (over 20%, ar/smg/lmg i.e. not sniping) plenty of maps/places where you can use an smg, im just saying... there are alot of big open maps where it gets pretty boring ambushing ppl in smg range & not shooting at ppl far off

[dog]

Meh, as far as I know, the PC version is not delayed. Those who think it is haven't been catching up on the latest news. =/

[Den]

store.steampowered.com/app/10180/

[toysrme]

welp, console is on the 10th pc is on the 12th

that means stats for console players will be delayed.

[dog]

Nov 6, 2009 15:30:16 GMT -5 Den said:

store.steampowered.com/app/10180/

Hmm... that's for steam...

Those who purchased the retail version would be able to play on the 10th right?

[Den]

Possibly. Though considering MW2 on PC requires Steamworks integration, it may also have some kind of restriction (though one of those crappy interviews had a vague reply to a question regarding it).

Regardless... if I do get MW2, it would be direct through Steam; not going to jump a hoop just to end up in the same place.

[toysrme]

updated.

[dog]

Nov 6, 2009 14:35:26 GMT -5 toysrme said:

BTW... EVERYONE should be required to spend atleast 2 hours on this gun purely to watch the reloading animation. Its as sexy the first time you notice it as the first time you look down at your ... and see a bright red lipstick rings around it!

You mean like this?

Yeah, its smexy. xD

[toysrme]

no more like todd jarrett.



seriously if you play COD, or shoot real firearms. you should watch todd jarrett's videos on yourtube! it addictive. you watch one and watch them all LOL!



www.youtube.com/results?search_query=todd+jarrett&search_type=&aq=f

[Den]

Those guys have Sleight of Hand Pro.

[imrlybord7]

You mean they can bring up the sights faster, too?

Also, any clue as to how much Lightweight increases movement speed by? And what are the starting mag sizes for all of the machine pistols? Do any of them not need extended mags to use as more than just backup weapons? How would you say the ACOG is on a fully automatic 30+ damage gun in 30 Health Mode? Is the Thermal Scope worth using on sniper rifles with Bling and a suppressor, or would a different attachment be better?

[scorp]

Thanks a lot for the info.


I have some questions though:

What is 3rd person like? Like how does it play out and stuff?
Do you find it any easier to get 7 kill streaks?
Do the USP.45 and UMP.45 share ammo?
Are the maps like CoD4's or WaW's?

[toysrme]

3rd person is an addictively better done graw

You mean they can bring up the sights faster, too?

Also, any clue as to how much Lightweight increases movement speed by? And what are the starting mag sizes for all of the machine pistols? Do any of them not need extended mags to use as more than just backup weapons? How would you say the ACOG is on a fully automatic 30+ damage gun in 30 Health Mode? Is the Thermal Scope worth using on sniper rifles with Bling and a suppressor, or would a different attachment be better?

yes u bright the sight up hella fucking fast. SMG's are almost instant

most MPs ive used are 30rounds
ill try the acog on the scar tonght, but its a low damage gun prolly wont work well.

thermal scope is really good on a small handful of maps that have tons of grass for cover. otherwise, sucky.

[imrlybord7]

Movement speed, not sighting speed, bro.
As in, how much does Lightweight increase your prone/crouching/walking/sprinting movement speed?

[mdnl]

How are you finding the rehosting process? Has any game you've been ever had to quit or does it generally find another host every time?

On PS3 in a TDM you're lucky if you get to play 2 games in a row and can sometimes go 3-4 games in a row that the host ends the game these days, it's so frustrating.

[scorp]

Nov 7, 2009 0:09:23 GMT -5 toysrme said:

3rd person is an addictively better done graw

You mean they can bring up the sights faster, too?

Also, any clue as to how much Lightweight increases movement speed by? And what are the starting mag sizes for all of the machine pistols? Do any of them not need extended mags to use as more than just backup weapons? How would you say the ACOG is on a fully automatic 30+ damage gun in 30 Health Mode? Is the Thermal Scope worth using on sniper rifles with Bling and a suppressor, or would a different attachment be better?

yes u bright the sight up hella FFFFing fast. SMG's are almost instant

most MPs ive used are 30rounds
ill try the acog on the scar tonght, but its a low damage gun prolly wont work well.

thermal scope is really good on a small handful of maps that have tons of grass for cover. otherwise, sucky.

Cold you just see if the USP.45 adds ammo for UMP.45? I haven't seen this confirmed anywhere... and I really hope they didn't cut ammo sharing like WaW....

[toysrme]

ammo sharing is out. M93 raffy doesn't share with vector
scavanger pro ftw.

[toysrme]

movement speed its huge. maybe 20-25-30-33%?

rehosting works well unless you're massive lagging. when im streaming most of the time if there is a problem it wont rehost because im lagging badly. itll just end the game.

[Den]

So instead of sharing ammo between weapons, they use Scavenger to rearm you with whatever you have, regardless of what that dead guy had.

[mdnl]

Nov 7, 2009 11:43:06 GMT -5 Den said:

So instead of sharing ammo between weapons, they use Scavenger to rearm you with whatever you have, regardless of what that dead guy had.

That seems to be the gist of it with Pro on Scavenger, you can basically have unlimited ammo.

On the one hand it sounds a bit newb friendly on the other hand it frees up an attachment so you don't need to use dual magazines (formerly Bandolier)

What's the deal with nube toob ammo, does that re-ammo even if the other guy wasn't carrying a tube?

[Den]

More like "obscure user friendly".
Finding ammo for a Skorpion or MP44 (instead of dropping it for someone else's gun) would have been swell for COD4.

[imrlybord7]

Nov 7, 2009 11:32:32 GMT -5 toysrme said:

movement speed its huge. maybe 20-25-30-33%?

rehosting works well unless you're massive lagging. when im streaming most of the time if there is a problem it wont rehost because im lagging badly. itll just end the game.

Thanks, that's FFFFing awesome. I think this will definitely be my most used perk. Originally I was debating between that and Hardline, but Lightweight is useful every time you move while Hardline is only useful when you get the kill right before your killstreak.

If anyone is interested, I've made a list of class plans on my CoD wiki user page.
callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/User:Imrlybord7#My_intended_classes_in_MW2

[toysrme]

hardline is in the game for S&D. i keep trying it in ffa when im not streaming (ive prolly spent > 90% of my time streaming = lagging)
.... it is just so hard to not use stopping power and be effective. you can do it on SMG's because you can use RF instead to rebalance it.

i would suggest getting stopping power pro right out of the gate. In TDM and DOM you get plenty of double kills from SP. (ROF of weapons is pretty high too. so guns like the scar can need help killing multiple people with relatively small clips compaired to other weapons. you really get in danger of trying to mow over people chancing the kill on the las bullet. specially @ range with MP's)

[toysrme]

mdnl. scavanger also causes you to HAVE/WANT to move to high traffic areas for ammo. Even scavanger pro. Trust me youll get some long kill streaks & be eating alot more ammo than you're use too.

[imrlybord7]

Bling Pro + Extended Mags or Sleight of Hand Pro on a suppressed SMG?
I'm kind of leaning toward the former because it increases overall ammo.

[scorp]

Nov 7, 2009 11:31:10 GMT -5 toysrme said:

ammo sharing is out. M93 raffy doesn't share with vector
scavanger pro ftw.

That's stupid...

[shadz]

good post, looking forward to the game.

i just wanna be a fanboy and use the intervention