Deagle

[johrjives]

Just unlocked the deagle and unlike the other guns that recenter fairly quickly after firing, the deagle's recoil causes it to "float" for like a second. By the time it recenters for your second shot you are already dead. The deagle was a great gun in cod4, but now I dont see any advantages it has over the magnum.

You are my bro, bro.

[imrlybord7]

It is absolute garbage in MW2.

[eLantern]

agreed

[individual]

It's like the Magnum... but with more recoil.

Why on earth they would make one of the coolest pistols also hands down the WORST hand-dun in the game, I don't know.. It doesn't even make much sense why you get it so late either, when its recoil\ROF is so terrible.

[ssog]

Nov 24, 2009 21:22:56 GMT -5 johrjives said:

Just unlocked the deagle and unlike the other guns that recenter fairly quickly after firing, the deagle's recoil causes it to "float" for like a second. By the time it recenters for your second shot you are already dead. The deagle was a great gun in cod4, but now I dont see any advantages it has over the magnum.

You are my bro, bro.

The only advantage is the extra shot in the clip and the extra 2 shots (iirc) in reserve. Not enough to overcome the disadvantages, IMO.

Nov 24, 2009 23:47:57 GMT -5 individual said:

It's like the Magnum... but with more recoil.

Why on earth they would make one of the coolest pistols also hands down the WORST hand-dun in the game, I don't know.. It doesn't even make much sense why you get it so late either, when its recoil\ROF is so terrible.

How late you get it doesn't really matter. The M16 is a FAMAS clone, but you get it late. The AK47 is possibly the worst assault rifle, IMO, and you get that extremely late. The Vector is a terrible SMG, and you get that late. In CoD4, the last gun you got was the MP44, which blew. The late guns are more meant to represent status symbols than advantages.

[mw0swedeking]

the mp44 was really fun to use though...

[johrjives]

Whats wrong with the AK47?

[imrlybord7]

Nov 25, 2009 1:29:30 GMT -5 johrjives said:

Whats wrong with the AK47?

Yeah. I don't have it yet, but it seems like a TAR with a lower ROF and less recoil, which sounds amazing.

[ssog]

A TAR with lower recoil and a slower RoF *IS* amazing. It's called a SCAR. The AK47 is just a SCAR clone with higher recoil and slower reload, or so it seems to me. No clue if it still gets penalized for attachments, but if it does, that just makes it even worse still.

[sleep]

agreed with this entire thread, the deagle's view kick center speed is garbage. still i find myself using it as kind of a challenge. it reminds me of using the garand in WaW or m14 in cod4, if you learn to adjust your aim down after each shot you can still hit targets pretty rapidly.

[individual]

Nov 25, 2009 4:02:07 GMT -5 ssog said:

A TAR with lower recoil and a slower RoF *IS* amazing. It's called a SCAR. The AK47 is just a SCAR clone with higher recoil and slower reload, or so it seems to me. No clue if it still gets penalized for attachments, but if it does, that just makes it even worse still.

+1

I think the suspicion that the AK47 is the new MP44 was right... It's still a deadly weapon, though, in the right hands. It does the same damage as the over strong assault rifles, it's got a big clip, and at mid-range, it's recoil isn't really an issue.

[imrlybord7]

The SCAR's super low ROF and magazine size are huge turn-offs for me. I am definitely looking forward to the AK.

[ecomni]

Nov 25, 2009 4:02:07 GMT -5 ssog said:

A TAR with lower recoil and a slower RoF *IS* amazing. It's called a SCAR. The AK47 is just a SCAR clone with higher recoil and slower reload, or so it seems to me. No clue if it still gets penalized for attachments, but if it does, that just makes it even worse still.

I to test the RDS/Silencer penalty before I prestiged, but I know that it still has its dedicated grenade launcher that still has a slower Add Time than the standard M203 on all the other guns.

[dchoi41]

The deagle's kick seems super consistent, though. Like, take some shots at a wall, double tap, then wait to recenter, and repeat. They're all in almost the exact same two spots. With some practice, you could probably get tight grouping if you started aiming down and to the left as soon as you took the first shot.

[sleep]

Nov 25, 2009 0:54:47 GMT -5 ssog said:

How late you get it doesn't really matter. The M16 is a FAMAS clone, but you get it late. The AK47 is possibly the worst assault rifle, IMO, and you get that extremely late. The Vector is a terrible SMG, and you get that late. In CoD4, the last gun you got was the MP44, which blew. The late guns are more meant to represent status symbols than advantages.

while we're talking about bad guns you unlock late... F2000. it's got the low 30-20 damage of the ACR-laser and m4, but with recoil that makes automatic fire pointless even at medium range. its only advantage seems to be its ROF, which is the same thing that makes the recoil unmanagable. even the iron sights are weak IMO.

[ssog]

Nov 25, 2009 7:43:58 GMT -5 imrlybord7 said:

The SCAR's super low ROF and magazine size are huge turn-offs for me. I am definitely looking forward to the AK.

The AK's RoF is roughly the same as the SCAR's.

Nov 25, 2009 16:49:00 GMT -5 sleep said:

while we're talking about bad guns you unlock late... F2000. it's got the low 30-20 damage of the ACR-laser and m4, but with recoil that makes automatic fire pointless even at medium range. its only advantage seems to be its ROF, which is the same thing that makes the recoil unmanagable. even the iron sights are weak IMO.

Also true.

The best MP is the PP2000. The best pistol is the Magnum. The best SMG is the UMP, although the P90 is also very nice. The best ARs are the SCAR, TAR, FAMAS, and ACR (with the M4 serving as a quality substitute for the ACR until you unlock it). The Barrett is as good as any other sniper, and all of the LMGs are fairly balanced. Other than the ACR, there isn't really any powergun that you don't unlock almost immediately... and I love that. There's really very little competitive advantage to being a higher level, at least as far as the weapons are concerned. Some of the higher level perks outclass their lower level counterparts, and obviously part of being a higher level means having more attachments and pro perks unlocked.

[dchoi41]

Nov 25, 2009 17:59:35 GMT -5 ssog said:

There's really very little competitive advantage to being a higher level, at least as far as the weapons are concerned. Some of the higher level perks outclass their lower level counterparts, and obviously part of being a higher level means having more attachments and pro perks unlocked.

What really bothers me is that there's straight up nothing you can do about people with heartbeat sensors until you hit level 30 something and get Ninja. Like, you don't get Cold-Blooded for a while, but at least you can shoot down UAVs.

[imrlybord7]

Nov 25, 2009 17:59:35 GMT -5 ssog said:

Nov 25, 2009 7:43:58 GMT -5 imrlybord7 said:

The SCAR's super low ROF and magazine size are huge turn-offs for me. I am definitely looking forward to the AK.

The AK's RoF is roughly the same as the SCAR's.

Nov 25, 2009 16:49:00 GMT -5 sleep said:

while we're talking about bad guns you unlock late... F2000. it's got the low 30-20 damage of the ACR-laser and m4, but with recoil that makes automatic fire pointless even at medium range. its only advantage seems to be its ROF, which is the same thing that makes the recoil unmanagable. even the iron sights are weak IMO.

Also true.

The best MP is the PP2000. The best pistol is the Magnum. The best SMG is the UMP, although the P90 is also very nice. The best ARs are the SCAR, TAR, FAMAS, and ACR (with the M4 serving as a quality substitute for the ACR until you unlock it). The Barrett is as good as any other sniper, and all of the LMGs are fairly balanced. Other than the ACR, there isn't really any powergun that you don't unlock almost immediately... and I love that. There's really very little competitive advantage to being a higher level, at least as far as the weapons are concerned. Some of the higher level perks outclass their lower level counterparts, and obviously part of being a higher level means having more attachments and pro perks unlocked.

Why do you say the FAMAS but not the M16? Just unlock level, or is there something I don't know? Also, if you have good aim (consistently hitting the OSK hitboxes) or use a silencer, the Barrett is not as good as the WA2000 or M21. And the M240 wrecks the MG4 (not disputable) and the AUG HBAR wrecks the RPD (somewhat disputable).

[ssog]

Nov 26, 2009 2:25:19 GMT -5 imrlybord7 said:

Why do you say the FAMAS but not the M16? Just unlock level, or is there something I don't know? Also, if you have good aim (consistently hitting the OSK hitboxes) or use a silencer, the Barrett is not as good as the WA2000 or M21. And the M240 wrecks the MG4 (not disputable) and the AUG HBAR wrecks the RPD (somewhat disputable).

The FAMAS and M16 are clones of each other, so I listed the one with a lower level requirement. If the claim is that higher level characters don't have access to better weapons than lower level characters, the fact that they have access to the M16 is irrelevant because the lower level player has access to the FAMAS (which is the same gun).

The M240 may wreck the MG4, but I consider both guns to be "late unlocks", so it's irrelevant. They're both outclassed HARD by a gripped L86 or RPD, so they're only really relevant if you want to use a non-grip attachment and don't want to use Bling.

The Barrett/WA2000/M21 question is one of personal preference, since all three guns are very well balanced against each other (Barrett is the best with SP, M21 is best with Silencer, WA2000 is best unsilenced/unSP'd). The main point is that neither late gun is tangibly BETTER than the Barrett (at least, not in SC), they're just different.

The only late unlocks that are arguably superior to their early unlock counterparts are the AUG and the ACR, and even then it's somewhat debatable. As long as you use a grip, the AUG isn't BETTER than the early LMGs, it's just different (biggest difference being smaller clip/faster reload). The ACR is clearly better than most of the early ARs (exception: the SCAR, which is as good, if very different), but the M4 is a very reasonable facsimile that is available early, so even then the advantage is very minimal.

Really, the biggest advantage that higher level players have in terms of weapons is the 1887, the Raffica, and the Stinger/Javelin. And, of course, the fact that they've unlocked more attachments.

[imrlybord7]

Wait, why is the M21 the best with a Silencer? Doesn't the WA2000 have a bigger OSK killzone?

[n1gh7]

Nov 26, 2009 15:43:04 GMT -5 imrlybord7 said:

Wait, why is the M21 the best with a Silencer? Doesn't the WA2000 have a bigger OSK killzone?

Yes. the only reason to chose the M21 is if you wanted to be able to file more shots off accurately.

[qupie]

yeah, like a silencer and cold blooded
snipers are actually well made.
barret for the ppl who just want to kill what they hit with SP
WA for ppl who want a fast firing sniper with less recoil and a silencer or a different 2nd perk
M21 for ppl who dont need a silencer or other 2nd perk but like rapid firing. (or if they always pull of double hits, with both)
Intervention is for ppl who just like bolt action, because you wont be tempted to shoot fast or so....

It is like the barret, Dragonov, M21 and M40 in COD 4, all are good, in their own way. nobody needs a another R700 anyway...

[n1gh7]

Nov 26, 2009 20:48:25 GMT -5 qupie said:

yeah, like a silencer and cold blooded
snipers are actually well made.
barret for the ppl who just want to kill what they hit with SP
WA for ppl who want a fast firing sniper with less recoil and a silencer or a different 2nd perk
M21 for ppl who dont need a silencer or other 2nd perk but like rapid firing. (or if they always pull of double hits, with both)
Intervention is for ppl who just like bolt action, because you wont be tempted to shoot fast or so....

It is like the barret, Dragonov, M21 and M40 in COD 4, all are good, in their own way. nobody needs a another R700 anyway...

Intervention=R700 and R700=beast so... yea.

[ssog]

Nov 26, 2009 15:43:04 GMT -5 imrlybord7 said:

Wait, why is the M21 the best with a Silencer? Doesn't the WA2000 have a bigger OSK killzone?

All silenced snipers are a 2-shot kill unless you're running stopping power... and if you're running stopping power, then what's the point of using a silencer in the first place?

Since Silencer/Cold Blooded means everyone is a two shot kill in all circumstances, the best silenced sniper is the one that gets the easiest two-shot kills: the M21.

[imrlybord7]

@ n1gh7: lolwut
@ ssog: In Search and Destroy silencer + SP is awesome, and outside of Search the silencer is useful at the beginning of the match and stays useful if your team is doing well. I put up crazy good scores with a silenced WA2000 and Stopping Power.

[n1gh7]

imrlybord7

the intervention is like the R700. Lots of tasty sway, bolt action and similar multipliers.

I love the R700. I will use it until I die.

[imrlybord7]

You are not allowed to like sway or bolt action. Therefore, your opinion is false.

[johrjives]

No gun looked as cool as the red tiger R700...thats reason alone to use it.

On another note, getting the holographic site on the F2000 was one of the most painful experiences of my life...you cant see anything with that red dot.

[individual]

Nov 25, 2009 17:59:35 GMT -5 ssog said:

Nov 25, 2009 7:43:58 GMT -5 imrlybord7 said:

The SCAR's super low ROF and magazine size are huge turn-offs for me. I am definitely looking forward to the AK.

The AK's RoF is roughly the same as the SCAR's.

Nov 25, 2009 16:49:00 GMT -5 sleep said:

while we're talking about bad guns you unlock late... F2000. it's got the low 30-20 damage of the ACR-laser and m4, but with recoil that makes automatic fire pointless even at medium range. its only advantage seems to be its ROF, which is the same thing that makes the recoil unmanagable. even the iron sights are weak IMO.

Also true.

The best MP is the PP2000. The best pistol is the Magnum. The best SMG is the UMP, although the P90 is also very nice. The best ARs are the SCAR, TAR, FAMAS, and ACR (with the M4 serving as a quality substitute for the ACR until you unlock it). The Barrett is as good as any other sniper, and all of the LMGs are fairly balanced. Other than the ACR, there isn't really any powergun that you don't unlock almost immediately... and I love that. There's really very little competitive advantage to being a higher level, at least as far as the weapons are concerned. Some of the higher level perks outclass their lower level counterparts, and obviously part of being a higher level means having more attachments and pro perks unlocked.

I think it depends on the range... For machine pistols, the G18 is great for spraying at close range, while the PP2000 and TMP are basically low-powered SMGs, whereas the M93 Raffica is like a FAMAS\M16 with lower zoom.

For the assault rifles, the burst-rifles have better accuracy but harder to use at closer range, which (aside from the FAL) leaves 2 types of assault rifles: low damage, low recoil and high damage, high recoil, with varying rates of fire...

With handguns, a person might prefer an M9 or USP over the Magnum, because of the bigger clip, the better accuracy at range (because of less recoil)... Spamming the trigger on the M9\USP can often be easier than trying to get 2 accurate hits with the Magnum..

With Sniper rifles, a person might prefer the M21 over the Barret because of its fast center speed and lower sway...

[ssog]

Nov 27, 2009 1:55:08 GMT -5 imrlybord7 said:

@ ssog: In Search and Destroy silencer + SP is awesome, and outside of Search the silencer is useful at the beginning of the match and stays useful if your team is doing well. I put up crazy good scores with a silenced WA2000 and Stopping Power.

With hardline, it doesn't matter how good your team does, the other team will get UAVs. It's a simple unavoidable fact of life, even in S&D. Personally, I'd rather have Cold Blooded + Unsilenced than Stopping Power + Silenced (both get 1-shot-kills to the same regions), simply because then you can control when people see you, and also because a single blip with every shot is far less revealing than a constant red blip under UAV.