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Post by randyrandy on Jun 30, 2012 10:03:31 GMT -5
Platform: Xbox 360
Assault Rifles: A Rank Scar-L G36C MK14
B Rank MK14 Scar-L M4A1
C Rank AK47 T95
D Rank CM901 FAD
F Rank M16A4
Submachine Guns A Rank UMP45 PP90M1
B Rank P90 MP7
C Rank MP5
D Rank PM9
I don't play with ARs much (42k / 50k kills are with SMGs) so my grades are just preference. I actually do a lot better with the UMP45 than the MP7 for whatever reason.
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Post by Morshu on Jun 30, 2012 10:38:39 GMT -5
Agree with yours medic all except: G36C should be in B rank MK46 should be in B rank AA12 should be in F rank And you forgot the Riot Shield which should be in F rank My platform is ps3 but that is same as xbox
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Post by cmck on Jun 30, 2012 10:50:23 GMT -5
Platform: PS3
AR:
A rank: ACR G36C T95 MK14
B Rank: Scar M4A1
C Rank: FAD AK47
D Rank: CM901
Piece of Shit: M16
SMG:
A Rank: MP7 PP90
B Rank: P90
D Rank: MP5 UMP PM9
LMG:
A Rank: L86
B Rank: M60
C Rank MG36
D Rank: PKP MK46
(For lmgs the L86 is the best hands down, but its best used with thermal. If you aren't using thermal the MK46's gunkick is kind of high and if you are using thermal you have a crappy L86. The other guns that can be used irons are the PKP and the MG36. PKP is worse so MG36 gets C. The M60 has a niche so it can't be outclassed. M60 gets a B for niche.)
Snipers:
A Rank: Barret
B Rank MSR RSASS
C Rank: L118A Dragunov AS50
Shotguns:
A Rank: Striker USAS
B Rank: KSG
C Rank: Spas 12
D Rank: Model 1887 AA12
Gigantic Piece of Shit: Masterkey
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Jun 30, 2012 11:06:02 GMT -5
SS Rank: Riot Sheild
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Post by asasa on Jun 30, 2012 13:39:33 GMT -5
PS3:
AR:
A Class: ACR T95
B Class: G36C FAD M4A1 SCAR MK14
C Class: AK47 CM901
D Class: N/A
F Class: M16
SMG:
A Class: MP7 PP90
B Class: P90
C Class: MP5 UMP
D Class: PM9 LMG:
A Class: L86
B Class: MK46 MG36 M60
C Class: PKP
Snipers:
A Class: Barrett B Class: MSR RSASS
C Class: L118A AS50 Dragunov Shotguns:
A Class: Striker
B Class: USAS
C Class: 1887 KSG
D Class: SPAS
F Class: AA12 Masterkey
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Post by banana on Jun 30, 2012 13:49:39 GMT -5
Agree with yours medic all except: G36C should be in B rank MK46 should be in B rank AA12 should be in F rank And you forgot the Riot Shield which should be in F rank My platform is ps3 but that is same as xbox Agree with this except the g36 should stay in A rank Platform: Xbox 360
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Post by asasa on Jun 30, 2012 13:51:36 GMT -5
G36C just cant be A rank when its got plenty of disadvantages versus the ACR, but slightly higher firerate.
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Post by banana on Jun 30, 2012 13:58:22 GMT -5
Higher fire rate, same bullets to kill, random recoil but on average lower than the acr's
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Post by Lexapro on Jun 30, 2012 14:09:03 GMT -5
For PSTriple:
Assault Rifles: Tier S: ACR, G36c Tier A: Type 95, Mk. 14 Tier B: SCAR-L, AK-47, FAD Tier C: M4A1, CM901 Tier D: M16A4
SMGs: Tier S: MP7, PP90M1 Tier A: P90 Tier B: Tier C: MP5, UMP45 Tier D: PM9
LMGs: Tier S: Tier A: L86 LSW, Mk. 46 Tier B: M60E4, MG36 Tier C: Tier D: PKP Pecheneg
Shotguns: Tier S: Tier A: Tier B: Striker Tier C: SPAS-12, KSG-12 Tier D: USAS-12, AA-12, Model 1887, Masterkey
Sniper Rifles: Tier S: Tier A: Barrett .50 Tier B: AS50, MSR, L118A Tier C: RSASS Tier D: Dragunov
Secondaries: Tier S: FMG-9, MP9, Stinger Tier A: SMAW, RPG-7 Tier B: .44 Magnum, Skorpion, Five-seveN Tier C: Javelin, XM-25, P99, USP 45, MP412, G18 Tier D: Desert Eagle, M320
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Post by Dumien on Jun 30, 2012 14:27:51 GMT -5
Sure... I'l bite...though I hate rankings of any sort... If anyone needs an explanation I would be obliged to provide one. Note that I am almost always in CQC, so I am biased towards these weapons. Take that into account when critiquing my list. ARs Tier 1: ACR, T95, MK 14, Tier 2: G36C Tier 3: M4A1, AK47, Scar-L Tier 4: CM901, M16 Tier 5: FAD SMGs Tier 1: PP90M1, MP7 Tier 2: PM9, P90 Tier 3: Tier 4: UMP Tier 5: MP5 LMGs Tier 1: LSW, M60 Tier 2: Tier 3: MG36 Tier 4: PKP Tier 5: Snipers Tier 1: Barret, AS50, Buffed Dragnov (I'ma get hate for this) Tier 2: MSR, RSASS Tier 3: L96 Tier 4: Tier 5: Shotguns Tier 1: USAS 12 Tier 2: Striker, Spas 12, KSG-12 Tier 3: Tier 4: AA-12 Tier 5 Model 1887 Riot Shield Tier 1: Tier 2: Riot Shield Tier 3: Tier 4: Tier 5: MPs Tier 1: FMG-9, MP9 Tier 2: Tier 3: G18 Tier 4: Tier 5: Skorpion Pistols: Tier 1: Tier 2: Magnum, Five Seven, Tier 3: Desert Eagle, P99 Tier 4: USP Tier 5: MP412 Launchers: Tier 1: RPG-7, Stinger Tier 2: Xm25 Tier 3: SMAW, Javelin Tier 4: Tier 5: Tier 6: Tier 7: Tier 8: M320 GLM
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Post by asasa on Jun 30, 2012 15:00:52 GMT -5
Higher fire rate, same bullets to kill, random recoil but on average lower than the acr's Less range, 1 headshot does not reduce bullets to kill by one, slower reload, worse irons, mildly obtrusive gunkick.
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Post by acidsnow on Jun 30, 2012 15:13:44 GMT -5
I pretty much agree with the OP on the majority of those judgments (though I have basically zero Sniping experience, so I'll just take his word for it).
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Post by cmck on Jun 30, 2012 15:16:00 GMT -5
Fast swap times, vertical recoil only, high centerspeed for bursting.
Did we get all the stats?
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Post by b0xr on Jun 30, 2012 15:52:45 GMT -5
I agree with G36c in A rank.
The list is very good and overall I agree with almost everything, but I would make a few changes...
Put Scar-L in C rank, I'm pretty sure it's less accurate than the M4A1 and the FAD. It kills very slow at long range.
I would put the M4A1 in B rank with the MK14 because it's accurate and is probably the best AR in close/mid-range gunfights. (besides type)
UMP45 in C rank. Rapid Fire/Range, this gun is good close/mid-range.
Switch AS50 and RSASS. AS50 to C rank RSASS to B rank, if you get used to double-tapping this gun is deadly. It's like the MK14 with higher fire-cap and a scope.
KSG belongs in C rank, with damage it's very easy to get 1-shot kills.
AA-12 to FF rank.
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Post by asasa on Jun 30, 2012 16:08:15 GMT -5
Fast swap times, vertical recoil only, high centerspeed for bursting. Did we get all the stats? ACR is effectively vertical only as well, with kick at least. High CS? Sure.. but the ACR can be full autod at any range anyway. No focusing on recoil whatsoever required. G36C -> Inconsistent ACR -> Consistent Reload times are far more important than swap, btw.
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Post by cmck on Jun 30, 2012 16:17:48 GMT -5
^I was just trying to keep it going. G36C is a good gun, but still second best.
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Post by mmacola on Jun 30, 2012 16:29:37 GMT -5
Reload times are far more important than swap, btw. Agreed. In a game with SoH pro, swap times is much less trouble.
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Post by cmck on Jun 30, 2012 16:35:50 GMT -5
I don't put Soh on the g36 so the swap times are nice. I can manage the reloads well enough, especially if I have extended mags.
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Post by testiclesack on Jun 30, 2012 17:03:32 GMT -5
IMO:
ACR G36 MK14 T95 Scar M4A1 AK47 FAD CM901 M16A4
PP90 MP7 P90 PM9 UMP MP5
L86 MK46 M60 MG36 PKP
Barrett.50 MSR L118A AS50 RSASS Dragonov
Striker USAS SPAS-12 KSG-12 Model AA-12
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Post by Marvel4 on Jun 30, 2012 17:31:26 GMT -5
First: The Carbine is decent, but outclassed by the scar due to it's lower range and arguable worse iron sights. They're balanced IMO. SCAR-L has better range, M4A1 has better recoil. The recoil isn't really higher than the AK-47's, just different. It's more random but more centered. The low rate of fire helps controlling the recoil. It still has the exact same viewkick as in CoD4, which makes it one of the most accurate weapons in the game. I didn't use it much, so maybe the gunkick is too high. I agree that the rate of fire is too low, but only because of the delay between bursts. The AA-12 has too low damage, range and almost no ammo. It's much worse than the other shotguns. The Model 1887 has a lower rate of fire than the SPAS-12. I agree, it sucks, but the high damage at range can give you some lucky one-shot kills. The P99 and USP have better damage and range than the Five-seven and the USP has better raise, drop and reload times. They're much better than the useless Desert Eagle. I agree with most of the rest of the list, but the Type 95 and G36C are too high on the list. The G36C has too inconsistent recoil and the Type 95 is good, but the ACR is better.
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Post by MoopusMaximus on Jun 30, 2012 17:55:26 GMT -5
Why is the CM901 at D rank? I seriously don't get it. The gun is basically an ACR with a slightly lower RoF. It has like no recoil.
If you looked at the ACR from stats only, would you use it? No. Despite the guns lacking stats, everybody uses it and everybody that does MLG runs it. I feel it's the same way for the CM901. Bad stats, bit still performs great.
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Post by mmacola on Jun 30, 2012 18:34:46 GMT -5
Why is the CM901 at D rank? I seriously don't get it. The gun is basically an ACR with a slightly lower RoF. It has like no recoil. If you looked at the ACR from stats only, would you use it? No. Despite the guns lacking stats, everybody uses it and everybody that does MLG runs it. I feel it's the same way for the CM901. Bad stats, bit still performs great. Saying it has like no recoil is a huge mistake. It has huge recoil, and seriously, you can only rely on it if you choose kick, otherwise many, many fights you will lose because of uncontrollable recoil.
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Post by Marvel4 on Jun 30, 2012 18:50:47 GMT -5
Clip is faster to type and say aloud. I know the difference. Mag is even shorter. Actually, it's much harder to see your target with the AK-47. The CM901 has very open sights and no gunkick.
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Post by mmacola on Jun 30, 2012 18:53:52 GMT -5
Yeah but it has a lot of visual kick. So while it's not too outclassed damage and fire rate wise, it's just plain harder to see your target. Actually, it's much harder to see your target with the AK-47. The CM901 has very open sights and no gunkick. I believe he was already talking about the AK-47? And I don't know when you say about the CM901 being -60 65, with kick it would only have a slightly more viewkick than the M4, higher centerspeed and lower fire rate, resulting in a more precise shot. However, the M4A1 is a lot more accurate. (based on my experiences).
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Post by Marvel4 on Jun 30, 2012 19:08:22 GMT -5
What I'm trying to say is that the AK-47 is not really better than the CM901. Both have advantages.
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Post by MoopusMaximus on Jun 30, 2012 19:42:36 GMT -5
Why is the CM901 at D rank? I seriously don't get it. The gun is basically an ACR with a slightly lower RoF. It has like no recoil. If you looked at the ACR from stats only, would you use it? No. Despite the guns lacking stats, everybody uses it and everybody that does MLG runs it. I feel it's the same way for the CM901. Bad stats, bit still performs great. Saying it has like no recoil is a huge mistake. It has huge recoil, and seriously, you can only rely on it if you choose kick, otherwise many, many fights you will lose because of uncontrollable recoil. Kick on it makes it a laser. I'm surprised none of you guys agree with me. To me, it's like an ACR, but less nubby. I've never lost a fight because of the recoil. It definitely doesn't have "uncontrollable recoil". I will admit it's a little inaccurate if you don't use Kick. But even with Focus, I can still kill people pretty far away.
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Post by Broadband on Jun 30, 2012 21:10:12 GMT -5
Z Rank: -Riot Shield -PM9 -M16A4 -AA-12 -Desert Eagle
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Post by mmacola on Jun 30, 2012 21:52:17 GMT -5
Crowd Control gives valid assists? How about that.
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Post by arcanine2009 on Jul 1, 2012 4:27:32 GMT -5
M16 with rapid fire is pretty underrated.
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Post by Dumien on Jul 1, 2012 7:45:04 GMT -5
Am I the only one who likes the riot shield? It's not a good K/D primary but it's definitely a good support class and I can usually pull off a decent 1.5 using it. Hardline Pro+crowd control+standard assists nets tons of killstreaks. Magnum Tac knife/throwing knife, and the melee proficiency makes it pretty decent at getting its own kills as well. Man oh man. Assists are besides the point. The riot shield assists don't even count towards hardline pro. Notice on my list where I put the riot shield. I put it in tier 2. As an avid user of the shield I am more comfortable with that weapon than any other weapon. Most people use the weapon wrong. I would say 1 out of every 7 riot shielders I see use it wrong. I go over this in my guide. It is truly a "skill weapon" Other weapons that are high tier and are considered "skill weapons" are far more obvious on how to use. The riot shield however? Not so much. It boils down to mind games, swap times, and the tiny moments of hesitation that even top tier players have when they see a riot shield. Point being? I would rather have the riot shield than any other weapon in a strictly 1 v 1 scenario. The only reason I didn't put it in tier 1 is because of 1 v 2 scenarios that occur many times beyond your control in COD. Using the riot shield is all about engineering 1 v 1 fights If you want many more reasons why it should be considered high tier please consult my guide over on the "hey guy" section. .
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