PassiveVengance
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Post by PassiveVengance on Oct 25, 2012 10:58:59 GMT -5
For pump action shotguns, I can see your guys points here, but I still feel like an infinite range, decent RPM cap, semi-auto shotgun would break balance in some way. I've never played Battlefield, so I can't comment on how shotguns operate there.  On another note, am I the only person worried that the KSG is going to be complete trash compared to the scopeless Ballista in BO2?? |
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Post by Brick2urface on Oct 25, 2012 11:29:00 GMT -5
For pump action shotguns, I can see your guys points here, but I still feel like an infinite range, decent RPM cap, semi-auto shotgun would break balance in some way. I've never played Battlefield, so I can't comment on how shotguns operate there. On another note, am I the only person worried that the KSG is going to be complete trash compared to the scopeless Ballista in BO2?? The semi autos in bf3 suck. The pumps with slugs or flechette are the only shotguns to get any descent performance out of. It depends. The ballista will only be a one shot to the torso and up. The ksg might do 100 damage per shot for a certain range, allowing it to kill to the limbs. It also has a tighter hipspread, and hopefully a faster fire rate. |
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Oct 25, 2012 17:46:38 GMT -5
For pump action shotguns, I can see your guys points here, but I still feel like an infinite range, decent RPM cap, semi-auto shotgun would break balance in some way. I've never played Battlefield, so I can't comment on how shotguns operate there. On another note, am I the only person worried that the KSG is going to be complete trash compared to the scopeless Ballista in BO2?? The semi autos in bf3 suck. The pumps with slugs or flechette are the only shotguns to get any descent performance out of. It depends. The ballista will only be a one shot to the torso and up. The ksg might do 100 damage per shot for a certain range, allowing it to kill to the limbs. It also has a tighter hipspread, and hopefully a faster fire rate. That is how the KSG should be. However, I've heard rumors about it being a hitmarker machine up close. |
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Post by Brick2urface on Oct 25, 2012 17:59:47 GMT -5
What what I read its hard to hit the guy but it kills when it does.
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Post by hamburglar86 on Nov 7, 2012 19:54:59 GMT -5
Where are the BOps 2 specific shotgun stats coming from? The S12 looks like it has similar stats to the SPAS in black ops, which wasn't bad. Why is it such a hit marker machine in the videos posted online?
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Nov 7, 2012 20:19:30 GMT -5
Where are the BOps 2 specific shotgun stats coming from? The S12 looks like it has similar stats to the SPAS in black ops, which wasn't bad. Why is it such a hit marker machine in the videos posted online? Because it has super-ultra-mega hipspread |
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Post by hamburglar86 on Nov 7, 2012 20:41:11 GMT -5
But doesn't it have the same hipfire spread as the black ops spas? I never aimed down sight with that gun.
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Post by Amirror on Nov 7, 2012 20:48:21 GMT -5
The BLOPS Spas has a much smaller hip spread than the S12.
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Post by hamburglar86 on Nov 7, 2012 20:52:27 GMT -5
Mega's spreadsheet says both are 8. Is the 8 for the Saiga a placeholder and we're assuming it's higher?
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Post by Amirror on Nov 7, 2012 20:59:21 GMT -5
Maybe I'm wrong. But we don't know exactly yet. It does look visually bigger though.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 7, 2012 21:10:59 GMT -5
BO2 stats are guesses and speculation. Frankly, I think my assumptions were very conservative, except for the ADS spread, which is very liberal. I still feel like an infinite range, decent RPM cap, semi-auto shotgun would break balance in some way. I have mathematically demonstrated that they would be laughably bad. |
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 7, 2012 23:40:26 GMT -5
All hail your new overlords. Lazor sight RF SMGee's.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 8, 2012 0:08:17 GMT -5
I lied. I vastly overestimated the power of the new shotguns.
I have failed you, my brothers.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 8, 2012 0:15:20 GMT -5
In a week's time I'll remember how all power the MW3 AA-12 was. Damn was that gun good.
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Nov 8, 2012 0:17:16 GMT -5
In a week's time I'll remember how all power the MW3 AA-12 was. gosh darn golly gee whiz was that gun good. M1216 = Pump-Action AA 12 |
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 8, 2012 0:20:09 GMT -5
@killer
R870-Pump Action AA-12 w/ only 7 pellets
Saiga-AA-12 w/ less DMG and lower RPM
M1216-AA-12 w/ less DMG, more spread, lower RPM and 4 round mag(Might as well be a 4 round mag)
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Post by Brick2urface on Nov 8, 2012 0:44:00 GMT -5
We have been through this once already. It will not happen a second time.  |
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 8, 2012 10:37:24 GMT -5
Well the bright side is that every shotgun in BLOPSMKII will remind me of the AA-12.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 8, 2012 10:49:26 GMT -5
We have been through this once already. It will not happen a second time. I don't know, man: that Saiga video is making me miss the USAS. |
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 8, 2012 10:50:36 GMT -5
The USAS-12 DMG was actually a good gun and a peer to SMGee's. The Saiga? Not so much.
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Post by bucket415 on Nov 9, 2012 10:33:30 GMT -5
I just did some real life testing on my 870 with buckshot. I was able to get sub 9 inch diameter grouping at 25 yards with custom load 00 buckshot with flight control wads. If you are wondering that is about .5 degrees of spread. Not to mension maintaining a lethal velocity out to 57 meters. I always laugh when people say shotguns are only lethal for like 20 feet in real life. Want to stand 21 feet away from me and test it?Pump shotguns should be lethal in the hands of a skilled player. Bf3 spas with slugs is begining to get it. High skill+spas with slugs = a good time. For mw3's small maps shotgun range is okay (could definitely be better) but it doesn't have the power in that range that it needs. Who says that? Shotguns, depending on the load, have an effective range of over 200 yards. People hunt deer with slugs at ranges of 50 to 100 yards, and consistently 1 shot kill. Dumb people are dumb. |
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 9, 2012 11:35:16 GMT -5
People, very commonly, will state that shotgun ranges are actually portrayed somewhat accurately in video games. |
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Post by asasa on Nov 9, 2012 11:40:46 GMT -5
I have, but not exactly the way Megaqwerty is saying.
More like, "shotguns dont have that much range IRL"
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 9, 2012 12:47:22 GMT -5
Given the dimensions of most Call of Duty maps, realistic implementions of the weapons would infinitely favor shotguns.
That would be funny.
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Post by tiesieman on Nov 9, 2012 13:02:21 GMT -5
I really really hope people understand you can shoot further than the other side of the street in real life.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 9, 2012 13:03:43 GMT -5
I really really hope people understand you can shoot further than the other side of the street in real life. Well considering a good amount of the CoD player base swear that it's a military sim. |
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Post by danoski666 on Nov 9, 2012 13:05:51 GMT -5
Clearly dual wielding 1200 RPM machine pistols is effective in real life.
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Post by danoski666 on Nov 9, 2012 13:24:40 GMT -5
...even if that includes yourself?
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Post by Brick2urface on Nov 9, 2012 14:09:56 GMT -5
I would prefer they make shotguns strong enough to compete with primaries. The shotgun secondary has too much room for abuse and it leads to unnescessary shotgun hate.
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Post by Brick2urface on Nov 9, 2012 14:51:46 GMT -5
The point is the secondaries in mw2 were good enough to blur class lines. A sniper can drop an smg guy in cqc with his spas and give little chance to retaliate. An smg guy can rafica a sniper at long range with little difficulty. The classes were complete and thats the problem. Player skill is far less relivent when you have weapons that are dominant/competent at every range. Why be good if you can just take better weapons?
At one point I had all 10 of my classes linked with one man army.
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