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Post by exxtrooper on Mar 15, 2015 10:02:46 GMT -5
I'm just still really salty they made Xur sell Red Death last minute as opposed to selling Obsidian Mond and MIDA.
Also, when you datamine now and try to get the Xur inventory, it'll only list everything as No Land Beyond, Bungie is actually taking the piss.
Warlock Exotic - No Land Beyond Titan Exotic - No Land Beyond Hunter Exotic - No Land Beyond Exotic Weapon - No Land Beyond Exotic Shard - No Land Beyond Exotic Engram - No Land Beyond
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Post by wings on Mar 15, 2015 15:41:10 GMT -5
I'm just still really salty they made Xur sell Red Death last minute as opposed to selling Obsidian Mond and MIDA. Also, when you datamine now and try to get the Xur inventory, it'll only list everything as No Land Beyond, Bungie is actually taking the piss. Warlock Exotic - No Land Beyond Titan Exotic - No Land Beyond Hunter Exotic - No Land Beyond Exotic Weapon - No Land Beyond Exotic Shard - No Land Beyond Exotic Engram - No Land Beyond Yeah I saw on Reddit. Seems a bit overkill to have done this. Pity for those wanting thr Obsidian Mind and MIDA Multi-tool though.
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Post by mannon on Mar 15, 2015 22:21:12 GMT -5
It was probably part of the other back end stuff they were changing and just figured lulz why not. *shrug*
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Post by qupie on Mar 16, 2015 6:17:18 GMT -5
Again, I think you're digging up an old quote about something that probably has been changed since then Yeah I think it's quite possible to have changed since. I don't mind gear being elusive to acquire but I think that concept can be utilised better with exotic bounties. And even that appears to favour Bad Juju/Thorn/Invective to Bad Juju/Pocket Infinity/SGA by about 10:1 from my experience and reading on others' luck from Xander. Collectors must be getting tired at that if they are in my shoes. I don't know how much of a coincidence it is but I'm sure it's somewhat popular that a good Iron Banner weapon has been sold by Xur immediately preceding the subsequent Iron Banner event. This my be a case of reporter bias but I swear I've seen The Last Word, Suros Regime (when it was really strong), Patience & Time and now Red Death all being sold immediately before the next Iron Banner. I mean if it's not total chance something like this happens, then I can see good reasons for this - like getting people a reason to spend their Strange Coins on. I got my Red Death yesterday and grinding the bounties to fully upgrade it and I got it fully upgraded this morning and it is pretty nasty. Since I usually play as a Sunsinger in the Crucible, Flame Shield and healing is going to annoy a lot of my opponents. But then I might have had just good games. There are 15 exotics obtainable by Xur at the moment. At least 7 of those could be "good for crusible" (suros, last word, red death, mida multitool, plan c, Thunderlord, Truth) P&T is subpar IMHO, just like Gjallor. So is there that little chance of the above happening? I don't think so. People are wired to see patterns (because it gave us advantages during evolution), even when there are no patterns. I think allot of the Destiny rumors are due to this fact. Ever seen a face in the surface of the moon? Well let me tell you, there actually is none
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Post by wings on Mar 16, 2015 6:53:17 GMT -5
Yeah I think it's quite possible to have changed since. I don't mind gear being elusive to acquire but I think that concept can be utilised better with exotic bounties. And even that appears to favour Bad Juju/Thorn/Invective to Bad Juju/Pocket Infinity/SGA by about 10:1 from my experience and reading on others' luck from Xander. Collectors must be getting tired at that if they are in my shoes. I don't know how much of a coincidence it is but I'm sure it's somewhat popular that a good Iron Banner weapon has been sold by Xur immediately preceding the subsequent Iron Banner event. This my be a case of reporter bias but I swear I've seen The Last Word, Suros Regime (when it was really strong), Patience & Time and now Red Death all being sold immediately before the next Iron Banner. I mean if it's not total chance something like this happens, then I can see good reasons for this - like getting people a reason to spend their Strange Coins on. I got my Red Death yesterday and grinding the bounties to fully upgrade it and I got it fully upgraded this morning and it is pretty nasty. Since I usually play as a Sunsinger in the Crucible, Flame Shield and healing is going to annoy a lot of my opponents. But then I might have had just good games. There are 15 exotics obtainable by Xur at the moment. At least 7 of those could be "good for crusible" (suros, last word, red death, mida multitool, plan c, Thunderlord, Truth) P&T is subpar IMHO, just like Gjallor. So is there that little chance of the above happening? I don't think so. People are wired to see patterns (because it gave us advantages during evolution), even when there are no patterns. I think allot of the Destiny rumors are due to this fact. Ever seen a face in the surface of the moon? Well let me tell you, there actually is none Perhaps I should have said great for Iron Banner but I am not sure the Suros cuts it any more. The 15% reduction in base damage for a slow firing weapon with most engagements being relatively short makes it a less attractive option. Swap it for the Red Death though. I never saw the fuss with Thunderlord in the Crucible tbh. Not sure on the MIDA but I guess it is. The maps probably disuade players from using it more than they should. I always smile when opponents are using the Gjallahorn and I survive a blast from it, but this tends to happen in Iron Banner rather than regular Crucible.
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Post by iw5000 on Mar 16, 2015 7:42:24 GMT -5
Yeah I think it's quite possible to have changed since. I don't mind gear being elusive to acquire but I think that concept can be utilised better with exotic bounties. And even that appears to favour Bad Juju/Thorn/Invective to Bad Juju/Pocket Infinity/SGA by about 10:1 from my experience and reading on others' luck from Xander. Collectors must be getting tired at that if they are in my shoes. I don't know how much of a coincidence it is but I'm sure it's somewhat popular that a good Iron Banner weapon has been sold by Xur immediately preceding the subsequent Iron Banner event. This my be a case of reporter bias but I swear I've seen The Last Word, Suros Regime (when it was really strong), Patience & Time and now Red Death all being sold immediately before the next Iron Banner. I mean if it's not total chance something like this happens, then I can see good reasons for this - like getting people a reason to spend their Strange Coins on. I got my Red Death yesterday and grinding the bounties to fully upgrade it and I got it fully upgraded this morning and it is pretty nasty. Since I usually play as a Sunsinger in the Crucible, Flame Shield and healing is going to annoy a lot of my opponents. But then I might have had just good games. There are 15 exotics obtainable by Xur at the moment. At least 7 of those could be "good for crusible" (suros, last word, red death, mida multitool, plan c, Thunderlord, Truth) P&T is subpar IMHO, just like Gjallor. So is there that little chance of the above happening? I don't think so. People are wired to see patterns (because it gave us advantages during evolution), even when there are no patterns. I think allot of the Destiny rumors are due to this fact. Ever seen a face in the surface of the moon? Well let me tell you, there actually is none You are 100% correct about people being wired to seek patterns and answers for what can't be answered (see the stupidity with religion), but in this particular case, the people who said stuff with Xur wasn't pure random.....they were right. These people (including me) were called tin foil hat wearing nutballs and other somewhat silly terms for pointing out oddities with Xur. Turns out Xur was planned out, and Bungie does indeed meddle with the drop rates. Xur isn't some random program set out to mimic pure randomness every Friday morning. Nope. Bungie has their hands ALL over this stuff. And seeing how they intervened this most recent week, was just the final nail in the coffin.
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Post by mannon on Mar 16, 2015 8:03:58 GMT -5
I don't think you're a conspiracy theorist. It's certainly possible that manual jiggery pokery happens. But all the evidence is circumstantial at best or anecdotal at worst so far.
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Post by mannon on Mar 16, 2015 8:06:40 GMT -5
Ever seen a face in the surface of the moon? Well let me tell you, there actually is none Don't be silly... It's clearly a rabbit. ;3
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Post by qupie on Mar 16, 2015 8:08:23 GMT -5
I am sorry, but I have still not seen any HARD evidence of what you are implying.
Xur could still be random. Predetermined can still be random.
I never said I am sure Bungie did NOT influence the results, all I said is that based on the evidence we have, we cannot be sure they do. And to be honest, I still think it is that way.
Weighted randomization is still random as Mannon explained, and the fact that Xur could be datamined does not mean it is not random, only that the randomization doesn't happen on Friday morning.
Other then that, they released a patch last week to be able to influence some tables on their end, this could actually be the first moment they were able to influence Xur.
But there is still no hard evidence they manually put in his inventory IMHO. They could have just rerolled xur. Or like has been stated before, 16 xur's will be randomly generated, and on friday morning only one will be "real". Just to counter the dataminers.
Again, I am not saying it is random with 100% certainty, but we just don't have enough evidence to say the opposite.
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Post by wings on Mar 16, 2015 15:16:45 GMT -5
I am sorry, but I have still not seen any HARD evidence of what you are implying. Xur could still be random. Predetermined can still be random. I never said I am sure Bungie did NOT influence the results, all I said is that based on the evidence we have, we cannot be sure they do. And to be honest, I still think it is that way. Weighted randomization is still random Oxford English Dictionary of random: Made, done, or happening without method or conscious decision. Quite sure weighted DLC exotics and taking out Gjallahorn would count as a conscious decision. There's no way Bungie and Activision were going to have Xur selling no exotics when The Dark Below dropped. Even then, prior to release you could execute an algorithm to create a list and vet each one. That too would count as a conscious decision. You are not going to get any hard evidence unless the game is on PC probably and perhaps this is one of the reasons why it's not released on there in the first place.
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Post by markopolo on Mar 16, 2015 15:27:02 GMT -5
As I said before, Destiny didn't change anything to make Xur less or more random... they just made more Xur's to confuse the dataminers.
so, instead of datamining, finding xur, and reporting it... there are 16 xurs in the database at one time. So a data miner can go in and find Xur, but they don't know if they found the right xur.
So, instead of finding the needle in the haystack, Destiny made it where you now have to find the right needle in the right haystack. Now they did it wehre they have 16 random xurs, with 16 different items and know you have to figure out what they did.
At least, that's what a few PUGs and what some Bros online have said
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Post by mannon on Mar 16, 2015 16:09:28 GMT -5
If I consciously take all the Aces out of a deck of cards, shuffle it, then have you draw a card, are you telling me that card is no longer random but that I consciously chose that card for you?
Pure randomness isn't going to exist as we know it anyway. For that matter we don't even know if quantum randomness is pure randomness or if there are hidden variables we simply don't have the technology or imagination to discover. Therefore for all intents and purposes all randomness is psudo-randomness which really only means you have a lack of information. In other words you don't determine the outcome so much as discover it. But randomness can be evenly distributed or... not. It's still random. If I roll two d6 dice and sum the results statistically the total rolled most often will be a 7. (DAMN YOU THIEF!) But that doesn't make it not random. It's VERY weighted, and by conscious design, but the outcome of each individual roll is still random.
You're never going to have a system with no conscious decisions at all. Taking Gjallarhorn out of the list doesn't suddenly convert the entire list to non-random. It's still a list. By that logic it wasn't "random" to begin with because there was a consciously designed list to begin with. The only way to have it be random would be for the entire list to have no conscious design, and since deriving an algorithm to create such a list would also be conscious design the only possible list that could be random would be a list that includes literally everything. That means Xur would have to have an even chance of selling Gjallarhorn, The United States, My Sister's Cat Moogle, The entire works of Shakespear, the feeling of deja vu, or literally anything else.
That's not what we have. We have a list. Each iteration checks the list and picks a randomized item from it, (as far as we know). The list it-self can be edited and the results of any particular iteration are still random the same way I can pull cards out or put them in a deck and reshuffle it as much as I want. As long as there are still at least two different cards in the deck and I don't determine which card is picked, the result is "random".
Odd how video games have led us to a debate on what randomness is. Though, I'd say it's a far more interesting debate than the one over how Xur's inventory is picked, or rather over whether there is or is not any real evidence about it. I think that one still stands where it did weeks or months ago. Some bros are convinced there is clear and compelling evidence and others believe that all said evidence is circumstantial at best, and not really proof of anything.
As for the changes to Xur, Bungie also apparently changed it so all items are listed as No Land Beyond to the data miners, which is pretty funny IMO. I would also propose that since they have obviously changed the back end all bets are officially off. Bungie said that his inventory was randomized, but predetermined, and that they didn't rig it manually. But those statements applied at that time and they didn't say they would never change it. They clearly have changed some things, so I don't think we'll ever know exactly what the system was, even if we ever are able to determine what the system is now, (which seems unlikely). *shrug*
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Post by qupie on Mar 17, 2015 3:51:35 GMT -5
Good post. Seems legit to me.
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Has there actually ever been any clear evidence Gjallar is gone from the " This is the list Xur is able to randomly roll from list"? This is what I understood from several reddit posts:
Megaman found out what will be sold, for a couple of weeks to come. He made a statement about thunderlord, universal remote and Gjallar. This is what he said about Gjallar: 1. There was no gjallar in this list of upcomming weeks, 2. there was no gjallar in the list Xur could pick from.
The problem is in translation, I think almost nobody knows wheather it is 1 or 2. I think it is 1, but I am not sure about it, because I simply don't know.
What I read about the way datamining works, I believe 1 is the truth though. I think this because he sees what Xur will be selling next weeks, and as the randomization has been done way before, how would he even get the list Xur picks from(2)?
Please fill me in if I missed something, and somebody (with evidence) clearly stated it is 2
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I am slowly starting to see the possibility of the camp supporting that the probability of selling Gjallar might maybe be possibly smaller then the probability of selling other non-DLC exotics. But the truth is simple:
We don't have (nearly) enough evidence/rolls. AND there are still two non DLC exotics still not sold, and the Gjallarhorn has already been sold once!
Unless you guys are convinced bungie really doesn't want us to have that OP hard light, I still think any myth that Gjallar is out of the list because bungie doesn't want us to have it, is farfetched (based on the information we have at this point).
Only once all other exotics have been sold at least twice and we have something like 50+ xur sales, I could maybe start to think something like that.
I will throw everything in SPSS and do a statistical analysis if I have the time this week, to show you how probably it is that Xurs sales are indeed random.
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Post by iw5000 on Mar 17, 2015 5:29:09 GMT -5
Bungie went in and changed things last week to fvck with the people disclosing the information. Therefore, end of discussion here. This process is not random.
And i am not insulting the game by saying the above, so no need to view my words as some form of attack on this oh so precious wonderful game.
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Post by qupie on Mar 17, 2015 6:46:38 GMT -5
... Discussion about Bungie manually picking Xurs inventory. Argument: Bungie changed things last week (like they did with every patch, no way of knowing whether this was done randomly) end of discusion. I am out of this hellhole of a discussion
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Post by wings on Mar 17, 2015 7:39:44 GMT -5
If I consciously take all the Aces out of a deck of cards, shuffle it, then have you draw a card, are you telling me that card is no longer random but that I consciously chose that card for you? You have altered the odds of whatever gets chosen from an adulterated pack. However, if there were cards missing without your prior knowledge then that would be different. I'm not treating random being synonymous with the example of fair dice.
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Post by mannon on Mar 17, 2015 8:48:03 GMT -5
My point is that there is no such thing as pure random. Randomness is merely a lack a ability, will, or capacity to determine an outcome before discovering it. There is a whole range of random. (Why do I keep spelling it "randome" and correcting myself?!!! grr) Anyway, you can take some cards out, add more of other cards, ect. You have then altered the chances of the outcome, but the outcome of any one shuffle and pic is still random. The "randomness" has not been invalidated because you made some conscience choice about weighting the odds. Unless the odds are weighted all the way to 1:0 there's randomness there. Technically Bungie could make Gjaller a 1 in a billion odds lottery and claim it's random and that would still be true. Random is a very loose phrase.
Bungie never said that the odds of any one item coming up are or are not even. They just said that Xur's inventory is random. Personally I think the odds probably are evenly distributed, because that's the simplest way to do it. If there is any weighting I'd say it a split be tween DLC vs vanilla, but who knows.
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Post by iw5000 on Mar 17, 2015 9:15:56 GMT -5
My point is that there is no such thing as pure random. Randomness is merely a lack a ability, will, or capacity to determine an outcome before discovering it. There is a whole range of random. (Why do I keep spelling it "randome" and correcting myself?!!! grr) Anyway, you can take some cards out, add more of other cards, ect. You have then altered the chances of the outcome, but the outcome of any one shuffle and pic is still random. The "randomness" has not been invalidated because you made some conscience choice about weighting the odds. Unless the odds are weighted all the way to 1:0 there's randomness there. Technically Bungie could make Gjaller a 1 in a billion odds lottery and claim it's random and that would still be true. Random is a very loose phrase. Bungie never said that the odds of any one item coming up are or are not even. They just said that Xur's inventory is random. Personally I think the odds probably are evenly distributed, because that's the simplest way to do it. If there is any weighting I'd say it a split be tween DLC vs vanilla, but who knows. Xur was played off, characterized by Bungie early on as a hypothetical PURE random. And Bungie did it this way, heavily played it up that way, to immerse players in the gaming experience. That's fine. Playing up the Xur character as some Destiny Godlike character. And his actions, playing up what he did or did not drop each Friday morning. Regardless of hairsplitting definitions we micro-analyze now, THAT is how Bungie played it up from the get go. Pure random. "Destiny Gods". And it's not like that at all. We've now had people go in and tell everyone what is going to be dropped for like multiple weeks in a row. There is nothing random at all, about someone telling us EXACTLY what we be there on Friday am. That is the opposite of random, it's called PLANNED. And there is nothing random at all about Bungie going in and deliberately changing that "planned" Xur drop, to something else, to get back at people who lifted the curtain off of their immersion experience. The above doesn't make the game bad in any shape, manner or form,...but let's at least call it for what it is.
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Post by mannon on Mar 17, 2015 9:37:05 GMT -5
First of all I never interpreted Xur that way at all. He showed up, sold us stuff. They said his picks are random, okay. I don't see that making him godlike at all. And as for immersion all he or any of the NPCs do is stand there and talk gibberish. He's a glorified vending machine. He's kinda mysterious... that's about it. He has no place in the story, not a lot of place in the lore other than working for The Nine. Honestly I don't see the big deal about him other than the stuff he sells. If he didn't sell exotics and heavy ammo nobody would care.
Now as for the randomness... Exactly what Bungie has said is that his inventory is randomly determined but also is predetermined. It's determined ahead of time, weeks in advance. Okay so data miners were able to go find that information and tell us about it. That doesn't make it planned.
Planned is "I think he should sell X." "Yes X is good, let's go with X this week and Y next week!". That's planned. If it's determined randomly, slapped into a list, and left on the server for weeks in advance that doesn't make it less random.
Let me go back to my cards analogy. Bungie buys X decks of cards. They shuffle each deck and pick a card and place those one by one in a pile. Then each week we pick a card off the top and, HEY ICE BREAKER! That week's pick was chosen randomly, but chosen weeks ago. Now every once in a while there's a patch so Bungie picks up all the cards, puts them back in the decks, and reshuffles them all to pick new cards. The whole list gets redone. We know this happens. The dataminers have seen it happen. All they did was find a way to peek at the cards in the pile.
Sure, it hasn't been random for us on the day of Xur showing up, but that's not Bungie's fault. That's the dataminers that revealed it to us. Just because it's determined ahead of time doesn't make it not random, that does not follow. (It doesn't mean it is random either, it's just not related.)
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Post by TheHawkNY on Mar 17, 2015 9:59:14 GMT -5
Last night, as I fought Atheon, he teleported me through time and I was able to see the future. It was the week before House of Wolves releases, and Xur was finally selling the Gjallarhorn. Then he teleported me through time, rapidly, one week after another, giving me just enough time to view Xur's inventory for each week. Xur never sold Gjallarhorns again, and he never sold the upgrade for it, so everyone was stuck with 331 damage versions, hoping to get the new version from a drop.
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Post by iw5000 on Mar 17, 2015 10:01:20 GMT -5
First of all I never interpreted Xur that way at all. He showed up, sold us stuff. They said his picks are random, okay. I don't see that making him godlike at all. And as for immersion all he or any of the NPCs do is stand there and talk gibberish. He's a glorified vending machine. He's kinda mysterious... that's about it. He has no place in the story, not a lot of place in the lore other than working for The Nine. Honestly I don't see the big deal about him other than the stuff he sells. If he didn't sell exotics and heavy ammo nobody would care. Now as for the randomness... Exactly what Bungie has said is that his inventory is randomly determined but also is predetermined. It's determined ahead of time, weeks in advance. Okay so data miners were able to go find that information and tell us about it. That doesn't make it planned. Planned is "I think he should sell X." "Yes X is good, let's go with X this week and Y next week!". That's planned. If it's determined randomly, slapped into a list, and left on the server for weeks in advance that doesn't make it less random. It does when we have two examples now of Bungie deliberately stepping in to change their planned list.
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Post by mannon on Mar 17, 2015 11:16:23 GMT -5
Bungie stepping in to reroll the list when a patch hit, you mean... *shrug* I don't see rerolling the list a few times as planning out each week. Though they could choose to roll the list until they get one they like for all we know. Or they may just roll it blind and see how it goes. I don't see how we can even pretend to know one way or the other.
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Post by mannon on Mar 17, 2015 11:19:26 GMT -5
In fact if anything I would view changing the list as evidence of randomness. Because if it's all preplanned then why would they ever have to change it? They put exactly what they wanted on each week they wanted. There's no need to change it if it's planned. A reroll because something changed in a patch makes sense, though. Especially if the code that creates the list is a script that kicks off as part of their build process or something.
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Post by markopolo on Mar 17, 2015 13:00:58 GMT -5
The "taking the aces out of the deck" argument is invalid; Bungie never changed their mechanics... it is still random. They never took anything out... they just added more. They added more Xurs, kept the randomness of xurs inventory, but the dataminers are screwed because they don't know which of the 16 xurs will show up.
Nothing is predetermined. All that has happened is that there is more randomness... instead of 1 random xur, there are now 16 random xurs, one of which will be randomly picked. So it's a random selection of a random occurance... double random.
To use the cards example, the dataminers were marking the cards, allowing them to cheat and know what was going on. All bungie did, was add 16 more decks to the game, with different marked cards, and now you as the player have to figure out which cards it is. So your marked cards are useless, because you don't know if the marked card is the one you know one from the 16 decks that has been thrown in
To me, it seems that Bungie has made the Xur process more random... same xur process, just more occuring at the same time, with a random process of deciding which of those 16 will get chosen.
To me, all this proves is that Xur is more random than ever before
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Post by mannon on Mar 17, 2015 15:53:01 GMT -5
I don't think it works that way. I think if one of the versions of Xur is the correct one then Bungie already knows which one and he's the one that has the actual list of items which is predetermined. I don't think Bungie is giving up on knowing ahead of time what Xur will sell, even if they don't manually fidget with it. This is just some back end obfuscation they added... or is it...
A reddit post detailing a lot of this Xur stuff describes this version of Xur as being a special version, which was actually used one other time before, for one weekend... and then we were back to our regularly scheduled programming. I wouldn't be surprised if that's true. Perhaps we'll know more Friday. This post suggests that the special versions of Xur are basically a live update version that doesn't get his inventory until Bungie pushes it and he enters the tower. Which is also why the poster thinks these versions are manually controlled by Bungie.
If this post is correct it brings up some interesting points. It would mean that Bungie can (theoretically) manipulate Xur's inventory by using this special version of Xur instead of the regular Xur. However they have only bothered to use it twice. And if that is the whole purpose of the special version of Xur then that would suggest that the normal version of Xur does in fact have limitations on their ability to manipulate his inventory... since they went to the trouble of creating a whole over version of him in order to do exactly that. If these things are true that means both things are true. That Xur's inventory has been manipulated, but only twice, and the whole rest of the time it's been random. hmm...
Then again, I don't know this particular data miner or if there's a consensus among the data miners.
I'm slightly tempted to look into the data mining just because it's interesting, but I can't think of anything I'd really want to do with the data. I'm not gonna mine charts of data which I would find interesting because that's way too much work, and I don't really care about this whole randomness thing or somehow catching Bungie out about statements they've made. And I barely have time to play the game, much less data mine it... heh Think I'd rather work on bounties. ;3
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Post by GodMars on Mar 17, 2015 16:14:24 GMT -5
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Post by TheHawkNY on Mar 17, 2015 16:40:01 GMT -5
GodMars But what if he and maimonguy are just Bungie leaking the info? WAKE UP, SHEEPLE. BUNGIE CONTROLS ALL OF IT.
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Post by iw5000 on Mar 18, 2015 8:10:50 GMT -5
Everything about, is by definition 'planned'.
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Post by mannon on Mar 18, 2015 8:55:34 GMT -5
what? I guess planned randomness is still planned... and random. *shrug*
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markopolo
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Post by markopolo on Mar 18, 2015 9:21:11 GMT -5
I read that thing by Megaman... I don't buy it.
Unless I am misunderstanding, the part that doesn't pass my BS test is the part about how destiny already manipulated their inventory already. If they did indeed do this on the 30th, replacing NLB with Dbreath... why did they need to do another patch to do this already? Why did they have to patch something to control what they already control?
That part doesn't smell right: if you can already do something, you don't make a patch to help you do what you already can.
Again, unless I am misunderstanding.
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