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Post by iw5000 on Oct 9, 2014 11:20:45 GMT -5
If someone knows a shortcut, by all means post it. I know Witty is really looking for an upgraded shotgun. From my experience, I saw absolutely nothing in my playing time. Didn't see even one Legendary shotty come my way. And I don't know of any shortcuts to get around the Vanguard Level three requirement, where you can start buying them. I'm still not there yet. Still need 250 rep pts to get to V3. For that matter, I haven't seen to many Legendaries so far. I have like six right now, but they only started coming to me via Strikes/lists after I hit Level 26 or 27. (Assuming that "Witty" is referring to me) How do you know that I am looking for an upgraded shotty? I did not tell anybody, it's like you are reading my thoughts  When things are determined by randomness, or luck, it has seldom worked to my favor. So far, this game has not changed that, it blew blue my mind . Even the only legendary shader I got so far is in color blue. If you see somebody dressed like a Smurf, there is a good chance that's me So I have decided to play this game under the assumption that I am "blue" collar, so when the purple and gold stuff do come they are pleasant surprise. While other players have the vaults overflowing with exotics, I stock mine with green weapons because they "might" be more useful in PvP than my blue ones. I will report back next week (when I finally don't need to burn mid night oil to play this game) on my impressions of going into PvP at low level 20s with green/blue weapons. On a related note: I also found that every time I decided to grind for something, the game stopped being fun for me. So I also decided that I will put fun over grinding, and let things happen naturally. I thought I read it somewhere, you talking about not having exotics. And seeing how you are right behind me in the leveling process, I just assumed you are having similar issues to me. Like no Legendary/exotic shotguns. |
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 9, 2014 11:26:05 GMT -5
Except that's exactly how it was advertised. When Bungie puts out an infographic for the event that says "level advantages enabled" and "attack and defense ratings for your weapons and armor will be crucial to victory"--those are exact quotes--you expect that level and gear will count for something. It doesn't, or if it does, it's so minor as to not make much/any difference. If it did, no level 4 player regardless of skill could even touch somebody at 20+, the 20+ player would one or two shot them just like in PvE, and that's why people are griping and confused about what's going on. Level and gear literally make all the difference in the PvE portion of Destiny, and that's obviously what a lot of people were led to believe this event was going to be like, when it's really just plain old crucible with a different name. I don't care one way or another what it really is, I just think it's stupid and misleading that Bungie advertised it the way they did. Agree 100%. Bungie f'd up on this one and it gets back to their overall vagueness on the stats stuff, keeping people in the dark. But from my limited Banner stuff, it does seem like the rewards are screwed up. There's the problem. One of my friends last night has been hammering it hard, as he said he can get Legendary pieces for like 10 marks, rather than the typical 65. WTF? That's ridiculous, if true. So he's trying to get to level whatever, to buy them. If the above is true, this would explain why quitting is so rampant in Iron Banner, with no replacements coming in. I saw it. Low level people looking to short cut the process, get loot, so they just quit as soon as it looks like a loss is coming. Does Bungie not think? Only winning counts is by design and Bungie even went so far in reminding people about it through Twitter. This issue has been touched upon in the Iron Banner thread. Losing teams should have been rewarded with marks for effort. As it stands right now, people who grind for Marks will quit as soon as the score gap is too big. From grinding point of view, this does not hurt anybody. It is similar to quitting in Clan Wars when winning is no longer possible. However, it does defeat the purpose for people who just want to have fun, getting overmatched in team size can never be good. In general, Bungie has a lot to learn on how to run this Iron Banner thing properly. |
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 9, 2014 11:29:44 GMT -5
Quitting hurts if you aren't full party. I played three IB games last night. We had three in our party. In each game, teammates quit within minutes. It's tough to play 3v6 in Destiny, with the shields and all. CoD? You can get away with it. Not destiny.
anyways, i'll stfu. Save that for the other thread.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 9, 2014 11:31:27 GMT -5
I thought I read it somewhere, you talking about not having exotics. And seeing how you are right behind me in the leveling process, I just assumed you are having similar issues to me. Like no Legendary/exotic shotguns. It's in this thread. I was talking about that I have not seen any legendary weapons, not to mention exotics. I could use an upgrade on all weapons, including shotty Also, I am not "right" behind you, you can't even see me in your rear view mirror . 22 is pretty far away from 27, especially after I missed the Queen's Wrath Legendary train and now need to either rely on total luck to get those armor pieces with Light, or have to grind my way to Vanguard Rank 2 to even be able to buy them with Marks (which I don't even have enough to buy one piece anyway). |
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 9, 2014 12:28:18 GMT -5
I thought I read it somewhere, you talking about not having exotics. And seeing how you are right behind me in the leveling process, I just assumed you are having similar issues to me. Like no Legendary/exotic shotguns. It's in this thread. I was talking about that I have not seen any legendary weapons, not to mention exotics. I could use an upgrade on all weapons, including shotty Also, I am not "right" behind you, you can't even see me in your rear view mirror . 22 is pretty far away from 27, especially after I missed the Queen's Wrath Legendary train and now need to either rely on total luck to get those armor pieces with Light, or have to grind my way to Vanguard Rank 2 to even be able to buy them with Marks (which I don't even have enough to buy one piece anyway). But you have three characters in the low 20's. I only have a level 28 Warlock. My other two are a level 10 Titan, and a level 4 Hunter. You are right there, ready to level up one of your twenty level players. Plus, you (we both) have the app now too!If I would have shaved off a bunch of time if I would have had that weeks ago. |
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Post by n1gh7 on Oct 9, 2014 12:30:05 GMT -5
As for ranking up to be able to buy stuff, it's a lot faster to rank up a faction as both crucible and vanguard rep get applied to the faction. If you really want a specific thing, buy it from a faction (is my advice). That's what I did.
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Post by TheHawkNY on Oct 9, 2014 12:30:37 GMT -5
I thought I read it somewhere, you talking about not having exotics. And seeing how you are right behind me in the leveling process, I just assumed you are having similar issues to me. Like no Legendary/exotic shotguns. It's in this thread. I was talking about that I have not seen any legendary weapons, not to mention exotics. I could use an upgrade on all weapons, including shotty Also, I am not "right" behind you, you can't even see me in your rear view mirror . 22 is pretty far away from 27, especially after I missed the Queen's Wrath Legendary train and now need to either rely on total luck to get those armor pieces with Light, or have to grind my way to Vanguard Rank 2 to even be able to buy them with Marks (which I don't even have enough to buy one piece anyway). Well, you should be able to get one piece through Iron Banner. I recommend you figure out which piece you plan on buying now, and look at what upgrade materials it requires so that when you do patrol missions you do so on the correct planet. |
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 9, 2014 12:32:50 GMT -5
Getting a character to level 20 is a walk in the park (comparatively speaking). Just play story missions that you have not played much while doing bounties and you will be there pretty quickly. I think that you can get that done for both of your low level characters before I hit level 24.
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Post by TheHawkNY on Oct 9, 2014 12:33:00 GMT -5
I'm confused about the big deal about differences in shotties. I don't have a legendary shotgun, but my experience has been that if you are not within range, you will lose. If you are within range, any shotgun will kill with one shot followed by a melee. You will consistently win the gunfights within range against anyone not also using a shotgun. Are others not finding that to be the case?
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 9, 2014 12:47:44 GMT -5
I'm confused about the big deal about differences in shotties. I don't have a legendary shotgun, but my experience has been that if you are not within range, you will lose. If you are within range, any shotgun will kill with one shot followed by a melee. You will consistently win the gunfights within range against anyone not also using a shotgun. Are others not finding that to be the case? I think you are assuming some things. The Destiny is fought on a flat plane like CoD. With so much verticality, jumping, faster speeds, explosions, as well as ridiculously fast animation sequences (teleporting, swords, etc..) sometimes your first shot doesn't always hit, let alone your second (or your melee). At least that's the case for regular joe's like me. But give yourself the ability to fire off four shots in about a second (200+ rpm pace), that can help fix a lot of mistakes |
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Post by hebbnh on Oct 9, 2014 12:51:21 GMT -5
I'm confused about the big deal about differences in shotties. I don't have a legendary shotgun, but my experience has been that if you are not within range, you will lose. If you are within range, any shotgun will kill with one shot followed by a melee. You will consistently win the gunfights within range against anyone not also using a shotgun. Are others not finding that to be the case? If not within range you'll lose, but there are shotguns with better range than others. Shotguns with better range > shotguns with worse range, basically, but legendary shotguns don't necessarily have better range than others just because they're legendary. It all depends on the random ability modifiers that are on the gun. |
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Post by TheHawkNY on Oct 9, 2014 12:58:14 GMT -5
It's in this thread. I was talking about that I have not seen any legendary weapons, not to mention exotics. I could use an upgrade on all weapons, including shotty Also, I am not "right" behind you, you can't even see me in your rear view mirror . 22 is pretty far away from 27, especially after I missed the Queen's Wrath Legendary train and now need to either rely on total luck to get those armor pieces with Light, or have to grind my way to Vanguard Rank 2 to even be able to buy them with Marks (which I don't even have enough to buy one piece anyway). But you have three characters in the low 20's. I only have a level 28 Warlock. My other two are a level 10 Titan, and a level 4 Hunter. You are right there, ready to level up one of your twenty level players. Plus, you (we both) have the app now too!If I would have shaved off a bunch of time if I would have had that weeks ago. You are doing this the same way that I am, and that was the best way I could figure out to do things without having the time to invest to make two or three of the same character to switch armor between them and do all of the daily and weekly rewards three times. I started with the Warlock, and got him up to a high level. At a certain point, I realized I'd need a lot of shards, so I created the other two characters to do a public event with each character daily. I had been vaulting all of the Titan/Hunter legendary and exotic armor I received from the Cryptarch. When my Warlock no longer had any use for rare armor, I put any rare armor engrams I received in the vault as well. Late last week, I decided to take advantage of the Queen's Wrath, so I did the story missions and bounties to push my Titan to level 20. Once there, I equipped the exotic helmet and legendary chest piece I had vaulted, then decrypted gauntlet and leg armor engrams, pausing to equip them when I decrypted ones with more light than the ones I was currently wearing. That got me to level 24. I was then able to do Queen's Wrath, which of course only got me a helmet and chest piece, but it's nice to have backups. Doing only the first upgrade on each piece of armor (not spending materials or shards) pushed me up to level 25. So now I have a level 25 Titan in less than 10 hours, with more than half the time spent in Patrol doing the daily public event. |
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Post by markopolo on Oct 9, 2014 13:43:19 GMT -5
Level doesn't mean $hit. If people believed it did in this Iron Banner event or it was advertised as such, then silly for people beliving it. Bruce Lee will still kick my ass... whether he has a knife, toothpick, or an icicle in a 125 degree sauna. Except that's exactly how it was advertised. When Bungie puts out an infographic for the event that says "level advantages enabled" and "attack and defense ratings for your weapons and armor will be crucial to victory"--those are exact quotes--you expect that level and gear will count for something. It doesn't, or if it does, it's so minor as to not make much/any difference. If it did, no level 4 player regardless of skill could even touch somebody at 20+, the 20+ player would one or two shot them just like in PvE, and that's why people are griping and confused about what's going on. Level and gear literally make all the difference in the PvE portion of Destiny, and that's obviously what a lot of people were led to believe this event was going to be like, when it's really just plain old crucible with a different name. I don't care one way or another what it really is, I just think it's stupid and misleading that Bungie advertised it the way they did. Not to further derail this... What I meant was if you are skilled, veteran, knowledgeable Destiny player, you should be able to kill lesser skilled, newer, less knowledgeable Destiny player, regardless of what level you are. Especially in a group setting with players that you know and have experienced playing with. To use the video as an example: someone who has 2 maxed out, geared out, raided out, level 30 characters and is working on gearing out their brand new Warlock (that was the assumption that I made from the video) should regardless of the level of the 3rd character, be superior to an inferior opponent. Now, that inexperienced player still should have an advantage based on gear, ability modifyers true... but from those videos, the author was still taking names and kicking butt based on experience. He knew the area, he was gaming with his regular, experienced buddies, and despite that he was a lower level than his opposition, he was superior to his opposition because of his skill, his training, and his friends that he was gaming with. He was taking him longer to kill the level 20's, but he was getting the job done. Despite being a level 4 in character, he was not a level 4 gamer. Despite that the Iron Banner has level advantages and was advertised as such.... skill, experience, knowledge, and gaming with allies trumps that level advantage. The author of that video was not a level 4 warlock despite his character being so. But again, I really don't want to derail this exotic weapons list thread... Imma stop after this post about this side topic |
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Post by wings on Oct 9, 2014 13:59:10 GMT -5
I thought I read it somewhere, you talking about not having exotics. And seeing how you are right behind me in the leveling process, I just assumed you are having similar issues to me. Like no Legendary/exotic shotguns. It's in this thread. I was talking about that I have not seen any legendary weapons, not to mention exotics. I could use an upgrade on all weapons, including shotty Also, I am not "right" behind you, you can't even see me in your rear view mirror . 22 is pretty far away from 27, especially after I missed the Queen's Wrath Legendary train and now need to either rely on total luck to get those armor pieces with Light, or have to grind my way to Vanguard Rank 2 to even be able to buy them with Marks (which I don't even have enough to buy one piece anyway). Queen's Wrath only gave chest armour and a helmet, albeit all of their bonuses to discipline, intellect and strength were given. So you will need to grind for armour anyway. |
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Post by hebbnh on Oct 9, 2014 14:30:47 GMT -5
I get what you're saying, markopolo, and I agree that's all perfectly fine and totally expected...FOR REGULAR CRUCIBLE. This event wasn't advertised as regular crucible. It was advertised as "gear matters now and is vitally important" crucible. It's obviously not what it was advertised to be. There are other videos out there showing Iron Banner play with multiple ARs of differing attack strength being used against enemies of multiple different levels. The damage is always 24 per headshot or 16 per body shot, regardless of attack rating or whether the opponent is level 15 or level 25. There is no evidence of level or gear advantages at play that anybody can detect. That's why people are flooding Bungie's forums with complaints and videos like this are popping up. Take a level 4 character into PvE and try to kill a level 20 enemy, the hive guys hiding out in the underground tunnel in the first area of the Cosmodrome for example. It doesn't matter how skilled you are or what your experience with other high level characters is, you're going to be sinking bullets into that enemy for a long, long, long time and it's going to basically be impossible to get that kill. Meanwhile, he's going to 1-shot you. Take your level 20 character into PvE against a mob of level 4s. You'll one or two shot them, and you'll more or less have to stand there AFK for them to kill you. That's what level and/or gear advantages look like. They're not something that can be overcome by skill or experience. That's what Bungie advertised Iron Banner as being. That's the problem. Regular crucible? Fine, everything should be balanced, and it is. Iron Banner was specifically advertised as being significantly different from the regular crucible. It is not. I don't know how I can articulate that any more clearly. Apparently Bungie is supposed to be addressing this in this week's update--really curious as to what explanation they offer other than the vague "power level matters, but skill matters too" non-explanation explanation they've put out there so far. That's fine if they're talking about a level 26 taking down a 28 or something, but not level 4s killing level 30s. Either way, this will be my last post on this topic, let's get this thread back on the exotic weapon track! |
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 9, 2014 14:56:38 GMT -5
Marcopolo
I don't think you are getting what Iron Banner was supposed to be about. Iron Banner was supposed to a stomping ground for "Who has played the most". An E-Penis size contest where the guy with 150 hours could stomp the guy with 90 hours, because of better loot. That is how it was advertised. My Level 30 with Exotic junk, all things equal, will stomp your level 28 with your legendary crap. My dick is 8", yours is 5", I'm a Destiny God and better than you. Let the bragging commence!!!!!
Oops. That never happened.
Much like how Bungie lost their plotline on the way to release, they also apparently lost the above stat coding for Iron Banner. The IB doesn't do what it's supposed too. There is no way, even a studly playing level 4 with bad weapons, should even remotely be able to hang with someone in their twenties. So now what? How about a props to Bungie for being consistently inept. We won't even get into how they have let IB become a lower level dashboarding festival, of quitting scrubs looking for easier ways of getting loot. No need to mention that too (oops, I just did).
I think people need to stop making excuses for Bungie. The game is addicting. It's fun. But Bungie royally fvcked up a number of parts in this game. Like really bad errors on game design and coding. They aren't going to admit this obviously, but this is just yet another huge example.
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Post by resolute on Oct 9, 2014 18:51:31 GMT -5
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 9, 2014 18:58:29 GMT -5
Nicely done, bro(wn) Now you have the WMD in Destiny, carry me in Crucible plz... |
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Post by resolute on Oct 9, 2014 19:09:50 GMT -5
Whenever!
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Post by Dumien on Oct 9, 2014 23:53:17 GMT -5
Gratz brown! I'm mad jelly. |
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 10, 2014 0:01:45 GMT -5
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Post by tooros on Oct 10, 2014 7:16:33 GMT -5
Zoidberg has the icebreaker according to the wonder web.
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Post by malgato on Oct 10, 2014 10:23:23 GMT -5
Everyone is going to have the Icebreaker. Xur is selling it this week.
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 13, 2014 8:06:48 GMT -5
The Icebreaker is just game changing on every level. I've been using it on my PvE and it just destroys everything. But what really is game changing about is what Dumien mentioned Self regenerating ammo. This changes everything. I can roll through most strike missions solo now, if I take my time. Toss in my newly leveled up Sunsinger 'self revive' and I'm rolling.
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Post by psychlon on Oct 15, 2014 7:58:30 GMT -5
The Icebreaker is just game changing on every level. I've been using it on my PvE and it just destroys everything. But what really is game changing about is what Dumien mentioned Self regenerating ammo. This changes everything. I can roll through most strike missions solo now, if I take my time. Toss in my newly leveled up Sunsinger 'self revive' and I'm rolling. Finally I understand the random guys staying on the earth strike at the very beginning of the fallen walker map and just shooting at it as nothing is getting close (not even the fallen spawning at the building at the entry area). |
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 17, 2014 16:16:58 GMT -5
This week I got a legendary AutoR from a blue engram: Grim Citizen III.
Any bros have experience using it in PvP?
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Post by iamthehater on Oct 18, 2014 2:14:16 GMT -5
It's ok, not the best by any means but very good for a blue engram. Very middle road legendary, which is good by any standards at this point.
If you don't have a legendary Primary it's worth leveling. I prefer (for legendary AR's) Shadow Price, I really enjoy the Pox (something or other PR) or a scout rifle.
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 20, 2014 9:42:51 GMT -5
I have the Shadow Price. It seems pretty solid, in like an all-purpose gun sort of way. I am now using that in the Crucible as my primary gun. I don't know how that stacks up to the Exotic Suros? Close? I do know it's a bit better than the Galahad-E, which was what I was using most of the time before. The Shadow just feels a bit more stronger. I have nothing firm to base that on. My Shadow isn't quite fully leveled up yet though, so that might even make it feel stronger (my Galahad was fully leveled)
I also have the Super Pox VLO, full leveled. I found it to be a bit to slow in Crucible. I don't use it to much in PvE anymore, because I have the ...
Vision of Confluence. I have that fully leveled. It's a beast, a scout rifle with a full auto level up. I would suppose it's not quite as strong as the Vex Mythoclast, but getting kind of close? This gun is great in PvE, with enemies at distance. In Crucible, I have had so-so results with it. At times great games, other times, no luck.
I also have the Hex Caster ARC almost all leveled up (one circle away). This gun has like a 900 rpm fire rate, just beastly rate of fire. On things like the VoG last stage, where you have a bunch of flying opponents all around you, this gun works well in putting huge amount of damage out, especially with the leveled up mag size. Tons of bullets put out. Unfortunately, if you use this in Crucible, it's recoil is ghastly beyond 30-40 meters. Completely unusable. The gun is basically a >20meters submachine gun.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 21, 2014 6:05:55 GMT -5
Got 2 weapons today from engrams:
1) Exotic SR "Patience & TIme" from a legendary engram. Nice weapon with arc damage. Wish I had it when working on last week's weekly, Ice Breaker is nice but the Vandal majors are a handful to deal with;
2) Legendary "The Culling" from a rare engram. High RoF low impact bullet hose, need to fully upgrade it to see how it stacks up.
I was also offered with exotic bounties: Pocket Infinity vs. Super Good Advice vs. Bad Juju. Based on what I read here, looks like Pocket Infinity is a no brainer.
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Post by GodMars on Oct 21, 2014 6:22:18 GMT -5
Patience and Time is a solid sniper, but the invisibility upgrade is useless in PvE (it has no effect), and barely situational in PvP.
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