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Post by iw5000 on Oct 8, 2014 14:10:35 GMT -5
I am seeing more websites up that have lists. I screenshotted the pic below from one of them. Can anyone shed some light on which of the below are best for PvE? And PvP? From what I gather, two of them from that list come from Raiding. Three exotics come from doing the Exotic Bounty challenge. And the rest? Do some come from Xur? Other ways? www.destinypedia.com/Weaponsdestinynews.net/exotics-destiny/ |
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 8, 2014 14:31:42 GMT -5
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 8, 2014 14:36:13 GMT -5
I saw some scattering comments. And the thread you had up there, included mostly talk on armor. I have yet to see any thread on all the Exotic/Legendary/Raid weapons, like showing all the potential weapons out there...so I put this list up. I think threads for every weapon would be to many. Why not just have people put a post up with what they have? And what they like about it? I don't have a lot to say about mine, as I am not real good at this game. Nothing to really base any of my opinions on. Raid Weapons - I have none Exotics - I have one (working on the bounty) - Invectus (Shotgun) - need eight more Special ammo packs Legendary - I have four weapons: - Super Pox VLO, (Pulse) - Hex Caster Arc, (Full Auto) - Light Beware, (Fusion) - Steel Oracle Z11 (RL) |
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Post by hebbnh on Oct 8, 2014 14:50:34 GMT -5
I'll chime in regarding my experience as well as what I've read/heard.
SUROS Regime: very good in both PvE and PvP.
Thorn: seems underpowered (and Bungie has said it will get buffed) for PvE due to small mag size and long reload, with comparatively low impact and heavy recoil. Damage over time effect is nice against stuff with shields (phalanxes, hydras). DoT also results in a lot of postmortem kills in PvP where you get a couple shots off before dying, and when they try to hide and regen they just sit and die instead, probably causing a good amount of rage on the opponent's end wondering what happened!
Invective: need to upgrade more to know for sure, but my legendary is a ton better for PvP. Better range, impact, and reload. I find shotguns to be fairly worthless in PvE regardless, especially for tougher content like nightfall strikes and bosses where shotgun range = you die really fast range. You're way better off hanging back with a sniper rifle and picking things off, or a fusion rifle that can still be effective outside of melee range.
Icebreaker: Sniper rifle with regenerating ammo, meaning you can hang back and pick off everything with no ammo concerns whatsoever. What's not to love?
Mythoclast: As discussed ad infinitum, OP as Foxtrot for PvP. In PvE I've seen some concerns expressed about ammo capacity, but that was mostly for the raid I think.
Pocket Infinity: Full auto fusion rifle after the initial relatively long charge. Pretty beastastic, but eats ammo like candy.
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Super Good Advice: Too much recoil, to the point that you cant hit crits if you need to. Probably melts people in PvP though, haven't bothered trying because The Swarm is working just fine. Thunderlord seems much more my style. Exotic Heavies are kind of pointless in PvP though, since you'll have heavy ammo so rarely. Better off with an exotic primary or secondary IMO.
Truth: I'd rather have an LMG most of the time, PvE or PvP. Heatseeking rockets are awesome though, and can kill people in PvP who think they've dodged your rocket only to have it come back and nail them a second later.
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Post by 2piece on Oct 8, 2014 15:00:17 GMT -5
I have:
Legendary Weapons
Shadow price (AR) My go to gun. 42 round magazine. great for pvp/pve. radar always on perk (legendary engram)the one you can buy has different perks.
Vision of Confluence (Scout with full auto upgrade) does Solar dmg as a primary and bonus dmg to oracles (reward during Raid)
Devil you know (Hand Cannon) 12 round mag.... high stability perk..my favorite hand cannon (bought from Vanguard)
Light beware (Fusion) my favorite fusion..8 round mag...great range (bought from Vanguard)
Chosen (Sniper) Arc damage...nothing special but its the best I have (gift from FWC for rank 3)
Bad seed down (pulse) just got this last night from Nightfall Strike...don't really like pulse rifles so no opinion
Exotic:
Suros Regime (AR) bought from tentacle face and it is an awesome gun that fires slower when ADS but does more dmg and bottom half of mag returns health...solid choice
Pocket infinity (Fusion) Exotic bounty...fires full auto after initial charge...melts everything if you can hang on to it ;the recoil is insane
Invective (Shotty) Exotic bounty ...fires full auto...regens ammo over time....decent weapon but I normally don't use shotguns
Universal remote (shotgun primary) Nightfall reward...best range of any shotgun I have tried.. crit dmg stacks for each kill..lot of fun to use in FFA
Thunderlord (Heavy MG) nightfall reward...Arc damge.. absolutely destroys captains...cant wait to unlock the extended mag and stability, it will be my go to heavy once I do
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 8, 2014 15:00:25 GMT -5
What legendary shotgun do you have heb?
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Post by hebbnh on Oct 8, 2014 15:15:34 GMT -5
I have the Hide and Seek-42. Got it from a legendary engram, but I think it's also available from Dead Orbit, not sure off the top of my head. I got lucky and got one with both the accurized ballistics (more range and impact) and hammer forged (improved range) abilities. It also has kneepads so I can slide further instead of something a little more useful...can't win 'em all I guess. But yeah, I win a lot of PvP shotgun fights because I don't have to be within melee range to one shot which is really nice.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 8, 2014 15:16:55 GMT -5
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Post by TheHawkNY on Oct 8, 2014 15:41:15 GMT -5
I have these exotics:
Vex Mythoclast: Obviously, you've heard about this gun. So far, it's been great in PvE and PvP, although it does have drawbacks. I do not have any armor that increases my fusion rifle ammo capacity, so in PvE, ammo has been a serious problem. With the extended mags upgrade, I max out at two magazines in reserve. In PvP, it's obviously beastly, but the videos are somewhat misleading - almost all of the videos about how OP it is are in Rumble, where you won't be taking on multiple enemies at once. You'll do better than you would with any other weapon, but it's not god mode.
Suros REGIME: Great auto rifle. Focused Fire is great. Fires like a laser. Conserves ammo. Much damage. Wow. If you didn't get this when Xur had it, kick yourself.
Pocket Infinity: Full auto fusion rifle, as shown in hebbnh's video. Destroyer of Majors and Ultras. Has Surplus upgrade, so I haven't had ammo issues with it. If you have the opportunity to get this weapon bounty, do not pass on it.
Mida Multi-tool and Bad Juju: Got these same time as the Suros REGIME. By the time I had the Suros leveled, I had unlocked the Pocket Infinity. Before finishing leveling the Pocket Infinity, I unlocked the Vex Mythoclast. So these have gone pretty much untouched.
Legendaries:
Lord High Fixer: Hand Cannon. 11 rounds, kills grant bonus ammo directly to magazine and reduce cooldown of grenade. Been using as compliment to Pocket Infinity. Top notch.
Venation III: Hand Cannon. 8 rounds, aiming increases range, one bullet does bonus damage. Not bad, but inferior to Lord High Fixer.
A couple legendary fusion rifles and a sniper that I haven't touched because I unlocked recently.
Zombie Apocalypse: LMG, fire damage, 43 rounds, manageable recoil and firerate, kills reduce grenade cooldown. Solid weapon. Kills reducing grenade cooldown is a nice bonus because when things hit the fan, generally my instincts are to toss my grenades and then pull out the LMG.
Deviant Gravity-A: LMG, arc damage, 30 rounds, manageable recoil and firerate, increased reload when mag is empty, expect to find more ammo for this weapon. Only Legendary/Exotic weapon I actually purchased (Dead Orbit). Was hoping to be able to use it by alternating between it and Pocket Infinity in PvE, as they both have Surplus upgrade. Am nearing Surplus upgrade now, will update when I have more info.
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Post by Dumien on Oct 8, 2014 18:44:41 GMT -5
My vault has a bunch of legendary weapons that I don't think I'm ever going to use...probably should turn them into energy.
But here are the ones I "care" about.
Exotic:
x2 Plan-C: Probably my favorite exotic. One shots trash mobs in lvl 30 VoG. Flashy. Nice Aesthetics.
x1 Patience and Time: Really good sniper. Not as high utility as the Icebreaker, but you can't argue with that stability.
x1 Super Good Advice: Its good. Just don't expect crits on bosses.
x1 Suros: Even un-upgraded it is a beast in PvE
x1 Hardlite: Haven't gotten the chance to upgrade it. I've been hearing mixed reviews
x1 Thorn: Its Aight. Can't wait for the buff.
x1 Bad Juju: Read Thorn
x1 Mida Multi-tool: currently the treasure finder is glitched. The weapon handles well. The speed boost is sweet.
The exotics I most want are the icebreaker and the universal removal for PvE and PvP respectively.
Legendaries are where it is at though. Having a good legendary means you don't need to take up an exotic space.
x2 Atheon's epilogue: Sahara varient. Void damage on a primary Pretty cool. A tad weak, but having tons of ammo feels nice
x3 Vision of Confluence: Solar damage on a primary! This game just keeps handing me this gun. I've had 5. I keep 3 because I feel like it is the best legendary...and I want all my characters to have one. Very reliable for PvE.
x1 Fatebringer: Arc damage primary. Just a straight upgrade to "The Devil You Know." I fell in love with this gun the moment I got it. Makes kills explode. Has good reload. Huge capacity for a handcannon. Wow.
x1 The Devil You Know: I got this gun early. Will always have a place in my heart. Very reliable hand cannon.
x1 Praetorian Foil: Its alright. Decent back-up for Atheon Fight.
x3 Found Verdict: Fantastic shotgun. Oracle Slayer
x1 Unfriendly Giant: My Rocket of Choice.
x1 The Crash: Fantastic. Used until I got my Verdicts. Will be scraped eventually
x1 Praedyth's Revenge: Good legendary sniper. Nice RoF.
x1 Corrective Measure: LOOK AT ALL THAT AMMO. Caps at 100.
x1 Zombie Apocalypse: Got me through the initial grind to 29. Pretty cool guy.
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Post by MastaQ on Oct 8, 2014 19:52:29 GMT -5
I've only had the luck to get one legendary weapon, the Final Boss. It's not really much better than the rare sniper rifle than I had before, although I haven't fully upgraded it yet. It also does fire damage too, which is...something? No exotics. I'm not sure if I'm playing the game wrong, or if the game's just giving me the shaft, but I'm not getting any good stuff from this game. I'm level 27, haven't gotten any exotic bounties or anything like that. If it weren't for the Queen's Wrath missions, I'm pretty sure I'd still be in the mid-20s.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 8, 2014 20:18:49 GMT -5
I've only had the luck to get one legendary weapon, the Final Boss. It's not really much better than the rare sniper rifle than I had before, although I haven't fully upgraded it yet. It also does fire damage too, which is...something? No exotics. I'm not sure if I'm playing the game wrong, or if the game's just giving me the shaft, but I'm not getting any good stuff from this game. I'm level 27, haven't gotten any exotic bounties or anything like that. If it weren't for the Queen's Wrath missions, I'm pretty sure I'd still be in the mid-20s. I would say don't sweat it. Bros here who have impressive lists of legendary/exotic, have put into crazy amount of play time into the game  That's how they have obtained these toys. In general, Destiny's way of making these things available to players can be summarized in one word: "random". If you check out the first video of the Youtube playlist I mentioned earlier, you'll see how that author got his collections of exotics "randomly". I have not played this game much, only managed to get my 3 characters to level 22/21/20. So far I have not seen even one legendary weapon, let alone any exotics. The only legendary item I got is an armor piece from Engram decryption, for the class I have the lowest priority to level up The good thing is that I care a lot more about having fun than grinding for cool stuff. From my point of view shooting level 22 with a blue gun is as fun as shooting level 28 with exotics. Otherwise blue would have become my least favorite color by now |
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Post by pharq on Oct 8, 2014 21:25:10 GMT -5
Linkits a bit of a mess but most of it is there.
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Post by n1gh7 on Oct 9, 2014 0:11:09 GMT -5
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 9, 2014 8:30:56 GMT -5
I have a bone to pick this morning. Regarding the Exotic guns in the above list.
Not addressing anyone in particular, but I have seen many posts get put up talking about how time played isn't that relevant in the Crucible PvE. People trying to make the point that any old rare gun is all you need, and exotic weapons don't really help that much more. PvE is still mostly about skill, time/leveling doesn't matter than much, blah. blah. blah.
Bvllshit.
I have about 49 hours put into this game so far. That's a lot of time for a month (as an aside, that's not NOTHING compared to many people I know, who have well over 120 to 150 hours played) I haven't gotten any legendary shotguns in my Destiny playing so far. And I have been raped by shotgun spam a fair amount in PvE. There are people on this board saying to "fight fire with fire", use a shotty back. But I haven't had any consistent success trying that. I'm getting blasted and one-shotted a lot. Not game breaking, but frustrating in that I can't seem to retaliate back. I can't find any good shotguns. :-(
Then I finally got my Exotic Invective shotgun last night (via a week long bounty effort) Unlocked. Quick draw, regenerating ammo, better range and best of all, full auto.
Let me say this. Those who say that rare/regular weapons are just as good...F off lol. You are bvullshitting people who don't have good guns. My first three games using the Invective, I probably got more Shotty kills than all my prior games put together. Having full auto makes a HUGE difference. If I get the first shot off, they are dead. No chance to beat me. Now I see what some other people were probably using on me. Night and day difference, having that exotic and what I had before. HUGE difference.
It really makes me question what people are saying, when they say there is negligible difference between the Exotic Full Autos and regular full autos. Like comparing the Suros Regime to the Gallahad. I don't have the Suros. If the difference between the Suros and Gallahad is even 1/3 what i am seeing with the shotties, ......Anyways. I really do think people who HAVE the top exotic guns, ...they at times try to downplay their benefit, as they don't want any success they have attributed to their guns.
Myself?I won't do that. I'll be blunt and honest. Am I suddenly better at PvE? No. Not at all. It's all just due to DUMB LUCK, in getting this bounty and picking the third option. I played longer than the next guy. I now have a shotgun that levels the playing field now. I'm not wondering 'WTF just happened' now. I can retaliate back. Only took me 50 hours of playing, but there you go.
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Post by hebbnh on Oct 9, 2014 9:29:34 GMT -5
I have a bone to pick this morning. Regarding the Exotic guns in the above list. Not addressing anyone in particular, but I have seen many posts get put up talking about how time played isn't that relevant in the Crucible PvE. People trying to make the point that any old rare gun is all you need, and exotic weapons don't really help that much more. PvE is still mostly about skill, time/leveling doesn't matter than much, blah. blah. blah. Bvllshit. I have about 49 hours put into this game so far. That's a lot of time for a month (as an aside, that's not NOTHING compared to many people I know, who have well over 120 to 150 hours played) I haven't gotten any legendary shotguns in my Destiny playing so far. And I have been raped by shotgun spam a fair amount in PvE. There are people on this board saying to "fight fire with fire", use a shotty back. But I haven't had any consistent success trying that. I'm getting blasted and one-shotted a lot. Not game breaking, but frustrating in that I can't seem to retaliate back. I can't find any good shotguns. :-( Then I finally got my Exotic Invective shotgun last night (via a week long bounty effort) Unlocked. Quick draw, regenerating ammo, better range and best of all, full auto. Let me say this. Those who say that rare/regular weapons are just as good...F off lol. You are bvullshitting people who don't have good guns. My first three games using the Invective, I probably got more Shotty kills than all my prior games put together. Having full auto makes a HUGE difference. If I get the first shot off, they are dead. No chance to beat me. Now I see what some other people were probably using on me. Night and day difference, having that exotic and what I had before. HUGE difference. It really makes me question what people are saying, when they say there is negligible difference between the Exotic Full Autos and regular full autos. Like comparing the Suros Regime to the Gallahad. I don't have the Suros. If the difference between the Suros and Gallahad is even 1/3 what i am seeing with the shotties, ......Anyways. I really do think people who HAVE the top exotic guns, ...they at times try to downplay their benefit, as they don't want any success they have attributed to their guns. Myself?I won't do that. I'll be blunt and honest. Am I suddenly better at PvE? No. Not at all. It's all just due to DUMB LUCK, in getting this bounty and picking the third option. I played longer than the next guy. I now have a shotgun that levels the playing field now. I'm not wondering 'WTF just happened' now. I can retaliate back. Only took me 50 hours of playing, but there you go. My first point would be that you can find/buy rare or legendary shotguns that shoot full auto also--no need to have an exotic for that. Like you say though, a lot of that is dumb luck, but if you keep checking with whatever vendors sell shotguns you will get one sooner or later. You also don't have to have that to compete. My shotgun has a couple range and impact mods but isn't full auto and does really well. I'll fully admit that this shotgun is consistently better than what I had before, but it's not like I was losing every shotty fight before just because I had a rare instead of a legendary--I won plenty of fights then too. As far as the SUROS goes, and I posted this in another thread also, I switched back to one of my legendary assault rifles that has nearly the same base stats (and there are common, uncommon, and rare ones that are still almost the same) and didn't see much dropoff in play. KDR was exactly what my average was, I just had more assists than usual. It was only 2 games, so obviously a small sample size, but I will continue to keep switching things up to try and see how much it really affects things. Challenging what you think you know is always good! Right now I still stand by my statement that while some of the exotics may give you some advantage, it's not nearly the advantage that some people are claiming. Lastly, here's 2 videos of a low level guy in the Iron Banner using the very first AR you find in the game, the shitty one from the first story mission. He's able to do just fine despite having a weapon that's undoubtedly worse than what anyone else in these games was using. |
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 9, 2014 9:47:03 GMT -5
My first point would be that you can find/buy rare or legendary shotguns that shoot full auto also--no need to have an exotic for that. Like you say though, a lot of that is dumb luck, but if you keep checking with whatever vendors sell shotguns you will get one sooner or later. I hear you heb...but I have a ton of time into this game, 48 hours or so, and other than the recent bounty... I had found nothing with the shotguns in that time span. And it wasn't like I could go buy one. You need a fvckton of playtime to level up to Vangard level 3 to buy Legendary weapons. I'm still not there yet (75% of way to V Lv3). Same deal with the Crucible. I am level 1, tons of Crucible marks (100+) but nothing to spend them on. Right. I'm not saying you can't compete. There are always ways. And one can still have fun too. But having a gun like the full auto invective is a night and day difference. At least for me, it was RIDICULOUSLY easier to kill with, over the regular shotties I had before. It's like going from a Walmart ten speed to a Fuji Altamira SL racing bike. One can always say with that..." Hey, that WalMart ten speed is fun and gets you to where you need to go!!" ...right? I am still trying to figure out the relationships with base damage. Thanks! There's always people like that. They are the exception the to the rule. But with that, it's just one lobby. I watched the first minute or so. The guy is a douchebag. Video is so easy to distort things with. Bungie can't control lobbies. I posted on another thread, right now there are A LOT of people (lower level), people who suck, trying to boost in Iron Banner. So the game mode is at times flooded with scrubs, looking for easy loot. And again, lobbies can vary. I had a friend who claimed he rolled up three straight 25+ kills in Iron Banner games. When I played with him last night, he didn't get above ten in any of the four games i was in. But I'll watch them later in full, maybe I will learn something. |
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Post by markopolo on Oct 9, 2014 9:52:03 GMT -5
As for the videos, (I didn't watch all of both... but about 3 minutes per)
The dude seems to make the "best" gear and the "best" guns sound like he should be able to just gear up and as soon as he enters the game, people should just keel over and die. I'm fast learning that loot isn't the be-all-end-all; player skill and knowledge is. The guy who made these videos is skilled and he admits that he's put in tons of time. Well, one thing that I've learned is that level doesn't mean much in Destiny; I hit level 18 before I did the Devil's Lair final raid in the Cosmodrome. Destiny doesn't force you to "grow up" or make you leave the lower levels if you don't want to. I'm sure someone could hit level 20 by just doing the Cosmosdrome patrol, leaving it only for bounties. so, while the guy is slagging others "ooh, I'm killing level 24/25/26's with a level 4 basic warlock" yea... it's because you have skill buddy. This is like someone who's just prestiged in MW3 who is back to having none of the high level perks/weapons/gear unlocked wasting a no prestige level 50 player... you don't need the toys to kill someone if you're good. You can dominate if you have them, but not having them means that you'll just kill a bit slower... it doesn't mean that you're level of strategy, experience, and knowledge of game play is gone... it just means that you're slaughtering people a different way. Give me a katana and give Bruce Lee a toothpick, and dollars to donuts, Bruce is going to give me a tracheotomy and the worst acupuncture experience of my life. So yea, the guys says "I'm only level 4, I should be getting wasted by other players barely scratching them" I agree... but that's not the game, because 1) while he's a level 4 in game, he's not a level 4 in tactics and skill, and 2) level 4's can still hurt; hell, last night at 3:30 in the morning, my 14 month old son grabbed my nostril and yanked it so hard that I screamed and woke up the whole house and scared him half to death that he started bawling crying (good times, good times)
While good/great loot helps and can be a crutch to a poor player, if you're a good player with good skill who's put tons of time into the game, you don't need the uberest gear/guns to dominate. Especially when you're playing with a team of your buds that you've gamed with for hours on end.
Level doesn't mean $hit. If people believed it did in this Iron Banner event or it was advertised as such, then silly for people beliving it. Bruce Lee will still kick my ass... whether he has a knife, toothpick, or an icicle in a 125 degree sauna.
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 9, 2014 9:58:23 GMT -5
I am only commenting on the Invective. The full auto on that shotty is a night and day difference between the regular shotguns.
And you can't get that gun, UNLESS you put in some serious time. Level matters here.
This thread is about Exotic weapons. So I thought I would share my experience with that Exotic shotgun. I found it worth it, when running tight corners in Crucible Control. Especially when capping a flag. Most encounters in that zone/region are CQC.
And obviously map knowledge and time played matter with PvP games. All those things. A person with 150 hours of Crucible is going to know the maps inside and out, leaps and positions, ...much better than a person who has played the map a few times. This goes without saying.
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Post by markopolo on Oct 9, 2014 10:09:20 GMT -5
Yea...... I guess it does mater there
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Post by hebbnh on Oct 9, 2014 10:18:07 GMT -5
You could potentially get a full auto shotty from the gunsmith at any time. Obviously completely dumb luck there, but not impossible! I do totally hear what you are saying though, sometimes the drops just don't fall your way for whatever reason.
I thought the guy in the videos played a pretty standard safe game. Didn't rush in a lot, tried to hang back and avoid getting double teamed, and obviously had good teammates as well which always helps. Seemed like his opponents couldn't really hit anything either so that might have something to do with it. That being said, all of the above can be just as true regardless of what weapon you're using. For what it's worth I do think he would have gotten several more kills if he was using a better weapon, but I don't think it would've been THAT big of a difference.
To your point about the Invective being that much better, I do agree there that my shotty is significantly better than the POS I had before, if only because of the range increase. It's like comparing the MW2 Spas-12 to the Ranger or something (that's an exaggeration for sure, but the best I could think of right now). Not that the Ranger couldn't be effective, it just had to used in a very specific way to be successful. I think that may be part of the problem also--we had the stats for CoD so we knew the Spas had great range and the Ranger was beast up close. With Destiny there's not even an easily accessible list of what weapons are available to fill each slot, much less any good statistical comparisons between weapons of each type. We just see shotgun and assume it'll work about as well as any other shotgun, without giving much thought to effective ranges, spread, and the like because those stats aren't readily available. The game is still young so hopefully that will change in the future. It could be that Invective really does shit on everything else, but unfortunately we just don't have the data to know for sure.
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 9, 2014 10:21:02 GMT -5
Yea...... I guess it does mater there If someone knows a shortcut, by all means post it. I know Witty is really looking for an upgraded shotgun. From my experience, I saw absolutely nothing in my playing time. Didn't see even one Legendary shotty come my way. And I don't know of any shortcuts to get around the Vanguard Level three requirement, where you can start buying them. I'm still not there yet. Still need 250 rep pts to get to V3. For that matter, I haven't seen to many Legendaries so far. I have like six right now, but they only started coming to me via Strikes/lists after I hit Level 26 or 27. |
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Post by markopolo on Oct 9, 2014 10:32:13 GMT -5
Sorry, I kinda went off topic with the whole "level doesn't mean anything" for the iron banner tirade.
Sorry for the derailment
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 9, 2014 10:37:46 GMT -5
You could potentially get a full auto shotty from the gunsmith at any time. Obviously completely dumb luck there, but not impossible! I do totally hear what you are saying though, sometimes the drops just don't fall your way for whatever reason. I thought the guy in the videos played a pretty standard safe game. Didn't rush in a lot, tried to hang back and avoid getting double teamed, and obviously had good teammates as well which always helps. Seemed like his opponents couldn't really hit anything either so that might have something to do with it. That being said, all of the above can be just as true regardless of what weapon you're using. For what it's worth I do think he would have gotten several more kills if he was using a better weapon, but I don't think it would've been THAT big of a difference. To your point about the Invective being that much better, I do agree there that my shotty is significantly better than the POS I had before, if only because of the range increase. It's like comparing the MW2 Spas-12 to the Ranger or something (that's an exaggeration for sure, but the best I could think of right now). Not that the Ranger couldn't be effective, it just had to used in a very specific way to be successful. I think that may be part of the problem also--we had the stats for CoD so we knew the Spas had great range and the Ranger was beast up close. With Destiny there's not even an easily accessible list of what weapons are available to fill each slot, much less any good statistical comparisons between weapons of each type. We just see shotgun and assume it'll work about as well as any other shotgun, without giving much thought to effective ranges, spread, and the like because those stats aren't readily available. The game is still young so hopefully that will change in the future. It could be that Invective really does shit on everything else, but unfortunately we just don't have the data to know for sure. good points. I posted some of that stat stuff/questions in this thread denkirson.proboards.com/thread/7348/damage-calculationsIt would appear, that maybe the true benefit to the Exotics & Legendary weapons aren't to be found in their damage profiles, (300 vs 260), but maybe instead in the added perks they give over their lower counterparts? I have no clue what the Invictus damage is(like you said), but that full auto feature is beastly. Four rapid fire shots! |
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Post by 2piece on Oct 9, 2014 10:38:22 GMT -5
If you can do the Nightfall strike that will net you 500 Vanguard reputation plus give you a 20-25% bonus towards all rep earned for the rest of the week until the reset on Tuesday. Some of my best drops have come from completing it also (exotics and legendary).
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 9, 2014 10:38:52 GMT -5
Sorry, I kinda went off topic with the whole "level doesn't mean anything" for the iron banner tirade. Sorry for the derailment don't have to apologize to me, I do that every single day. |
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Post by hebbnh on Oct 9, 2014 10:42:13 GMT -5
Level doesn't mean $hit. If people believed it did in this Iron Banner event or it was advertised as such, then silly for people beliving it. Bruce Lee will still kick my ass... whether he has a knife, toothpick, or an icicle in a 125 degree sauna. Except that's exactly how it was advertised. When Bungie puts out an infographic for the event that says "level advantages enabled" and "attack and defense ratings for your weapons and armor will be crucial to victory"--those are exact quotes--you expect that level and gear will count for something. It doesn't, or if it does, it's so minor as to not make much/any difference. If it did, no level 4 player regardless of skill could even touch somebody at 20+, the 20+ player would one or two shot them just like in PvE, and that's why people are griping and confused about what's going on. Level and gear literally make all the difference in the PvE portion of Destiny, and that's obviously what a lot of people were led to believe this event was going to be like, when it's really just plain old crucible with a different name. I don't care one way or another what it really is, I just think it's stupid and misleading that Bungie advertised it the way they did. |
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 9, 2014 11:05:39 GMT -5
Yea...... I guess it does mater there If someone knows a shortcut, by all means post it. I know Witty is really looking for an upgraded shotgun. From my experience, I saw absolutely nothing in my playing time. Didn't see even one Legendary shotty come my way. And I don't know of any shortcuts to get around the Vanguard Level three requirement, where you can start buying them. I'm still not there yet. Still need 250 rep pts to get to V3. For that matter, I haven't seen to many Legendaries so far. I have like six right now, but they only started coming to me via Strikes/lists after I hit Level 26 or 27. (Assuming that "Witty" is referring to me) How do you know that I am looking for an upgraded shotty? I did not tell anybody, it's like you are reading my thoughts When things are determined by randomness, or luck, it has seldom worked to my favor. So far, this game has not changed that, it blew blue my mind . Even the only legendary shader I got so far is in color blue. If you see somebody dressed like a Smurf, there is a good chance that's me So I have decided to play this game under the assumption that I am "blue" collar, so when the purple and gold stuff do come they are pleasant surprise. While other players have the vaults overflowing with exotics, I stock mine with green weapons because they "might" be more useful in PvP than my blue ones. I will report back next week (when I finally don't need to burn mid night oil to play this game) on my impressions of going into PvP at low level 20s with green/blue weapons. On a related note: I also found that every time I decided to grind for something, the game stopped being fun for me. So I also decided that I will put fun over grinding, and let things happen naturally. |
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Post by wings on Oct 9, 2014 11:07:09 GMT -5
So Bungie did a 3arc.
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 9, 2014 11:18:55 GMT -5
Level doesn't mean $hit. If people believed it did in this Iron Banner event or it was advertised as such, then silly for people beliving it. Bruce Lee will still kick my ass... whether he has a knife, toothpick, or an icicle in a 125 degree sauna. Except that's exactly how it was advertised. When Bungie puts out an infographic for the event that says "level advantages enabled" and "attack and defense ratings for your weapons and armor will be crucial to victory"--those are exact quotes--you expect that level and gear will count for something. It doesn't, or if it does, it's so minor as to not make much/any difference. If it did, no level 4 player regardless of skill could even touch somebody at 20+, the 20+ player would one or two shot them just like in PvE, and that's why people are griping and confused about what's going on. Level and gear literally make all the difference in the PvE portion of Destiny, and that's obviously what a lot of people were led to believe this event was going to be like, when it's really just plain old crucible with a different name. I don't care one way or another what it really is, I just think it's stupid and misleading that Bungie advertised it the way they did. Agree 100%. Bungie f'd up on this one and it gets back to their overall vagueness on the stats stuff, keeping people in the dark. But from my limited Banner stuff, it does seem like the rewards are screwed up. There's the problem. One of my friends last night has been hammering it hard, as he said he can get Legendary pieces for like 10 marks, rather than the typical 65. WTF? That's ridiculous, if true. So he's trying to get to level whatever, to buy them. If the above is true, this would explain why quitting is so rampant in Iron Banner, with no replacements coming in. I saw it. Low level people looking to short cut the process, get loot, so they just quit as soon as it looks like a loss is coming. Does Bungie not think? |
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