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Post by iw5000 on Nov 4, 2014 14:34:18 GMT -5
If you guys can do Raids today, who is still up for more on Thursday? Tentative 5:30pm PT start for me. I'll help out regardless of how I do tonight. The more people we can get to level 30 before December, the better off we will all be. Got to make sure we have get everyone leveled up. Help each other out.
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Post by Dumien on Nov 4, 2014 14:59:01 GMT -5
Yeah. I'm usually down for Thursdays as well. I'll let you guys know if anything comes up that would prevent me from doing so.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 5, 2014 8:16:32 GMT -5
Got three hard raids done last night. Not full raids, but thanks to dumien, we were able to do the loot sections to keep things fast (and not get bogged down) Going from the Oracle checkpoint to the Gatekeeper. So we basically had four opportunities to get Raid gear. My results? I got two legendary sniper rifles (same one, a duplicate) and [drum roll please]........tons of energy and shards!!! YES! Oh well. Maybe next time for raid gear. I did get a lot of shards and energy. I think my Ascendant energy winnings were in the 30's. Same with the shards. Both my inventories are approaching 100 again.
So 12 chances and I got nothing (in terms of raid gear). Someone in our group got Raid boots though. Can't remember who. For the most part, it was everyone getting shards, energy and duplicate guns.
I will say this. Hard VoG is really hard at the end. The Gatekeeper is tough. I know I didn't really pull my weight to well, in regards to into the two portal. I was a bit sloppy at times. I need to practice going into the portals a bit more.
I can still play normal mode, ...as I can still get chests on the first and last stage.
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Post by hebbnh on Nov 5, 2014 8:49:20 GMT -5
Hard was definitely harder, that's for sure. We were actually pretty close to beating the Gatekeeper phase on the last attempt I think. If the portal hadn't closed when I was 2 steps away from going through, we might have gotten it done despite things going off track. If you hadn't gotten glitched when trying to go through to the Venus portal I think we would have gotten it. We need more practice for sure, but I didn't think it was too bad considering it was my first attempt at hard mode.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 5, 2014 10:13:11 GMT -5
Yeah, I've done a few hards before, but the post-patch seems tougher. And on the Gatekeeper, I've been staying outside. I do need more experience running the two portals, especially on hard.
I felt bad on that last attempt. I went into the first portal, got three launcher shots off, and got out. I did ok. Killed stuff on the outside and then worked over to the Mars portal. Things were going fine. I was supposed to go into the Mars portal and help destroy the second gatekeeper, grab the relic, and then cleanse. But when I went in, did the warp, moved forwarded....I suddenly was back in Atheon's room. Then things got all weird, stuck again, went blind. Complete screw up. I think we would have had it there.
It's my understanding in Hard, you don't get any loot for the Gatekeeper. We would have had to then knock off Atheon too, to get any reward. A tall task there.
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Post by Dumien on Nov 5, 2014 20:12:45 GMT -5
You ge a reward for Gatekeeper. It is just the "defend the confluxes" stage that you don't get anything...which is why we usually want t skip it with the oracle checkpoint.
With that stage out of the way the hardest part is definitely the gatekeeper. There are just so many opportunities for a crew to not play flawlessly and for the game to get glitched...which is just demanding alot from everyone and also requiring some luck. I've seen one of the relic holders get trapped inside the portal before with no way to reopen it...resulting in an unwinnable game.
I think I'm going to draw a little MS paint map of the Atheon room for our strat.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 6, 2014 15:09:05 GMT -5
Regarding tonight's Raid:
11/06 Thursday VoG normal: tentative 5:30pm PT start
1. Witty 2. HebbNH 3. IW5K 4. Dumien 5. Open 6. Open
I am still on track to start at 5:30 PT. Looks like we will be needing 2 more, if we can't find anybody on our friends list we can do LFG as the last resort.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 6, 2014 15:48:01 GMT -5
I am helping my wife shampoo/Bissell our carpet on our 2nd floor tonight. Starting around 7ish or so (family coming in to visit on sat). It's now looking like I will be late.
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Post by malgato on Nov 6, 2014 16:51:36 GMT -5
I might be available tonight. I haven't done any raiding this week, so need 3 normal or hard runs.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 7, 2014 9:04:21 GMT -5
How did it go last night? Someone keep this updated this week. I will be available on Sunday after family leaves)
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Post by hebbnh on Nov 7, 2014 10:12:47 GMT -5
It went! It ended up being me, Witty, and Dumien plus 3 guys we'd never played with before -- one was a friend of Mal's, one was a friend of Mal's friend, and Witty picked up a 6th from an LFG site. So we were kind of discombobulated to start with, and then Dumien decided I should be raid leader and tell people what to do which I'd never really done before, which made things more hectic on my end at least. I was also using my Titan which is only level 26 so that was a little tough. Then we ran into some issues with Mal's friend getting booted back to orbit a few times during the conflux defense and gatekeeper phases which screwed things up pretty good. Then at Atheon one guy admitted to not bringing any ammo synthesis packs in with him, which really hurt our damage potential there. Then me and one other guy kept getting killed by Atheon's splash damage glitching through the relic shield so only 4 guys could really go to the middle like normal. So yeah...lots of little issues, but we still got it done in a couple hours.
For my part I don't think I did a very good job as raid leader. I went in with the mindset that everyone probably knew what they were doing, so I tried not to be too demanding or heavy-handed or explain too much. I probably should have been more authoritative from the get-go. In addition to the ammo pack issue above, one guy didn't seem to understand that supplicants can't kill you if you're up high, somebody didn't know that the first oracle in the portal spawns right above you at the top of the stairs, somebody had no idea what buttons did what on the relic, one guy kept throwing solar grenades on Atheon which made him move around a ton so it was hard to get crit shots consistently, just dumb little things that caused us to wipe when we probably shouldn't have. All of those could have been avoided or at least mitigated if I'd asked beforehand if everyone understood all the phases and each job and what needed to be done. Instead I waited until after we ran into problems to start making corrections, which I guess is good for those guys to learn from their mistakes instead of blindly following directions, but bad for trying to get the Vault cleared quickly. Oh well, we got it done and that's what counts.
In other news, I got nothing but shards -- up to one hundred thirty-Foxtroting-two of them now -- until the last drop where I finally got Vision of Confluence! So I'm pretty excited about that even though I got shut out on raid armor for all 3 characters so far this week. Well, not exactly shut out, but duplicates of stuff I already have, so close enough.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 7, 2014 10:18:18 GMT -5
Sounds fun though. Props on the leading!!!
The VoC is a great gun!!!
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 7, 2014 12:14:39 GMT -5
Last night's raid is my 2nd after patch, and I got to shoot some Oracles. Next time, I would like to get a chance to use Relic, maybe at Templar phase first.
No luck on raid gear drops since each of my character's first run (which were fruitful: Hunter - 1 piece, Warlock - 2 pieces, Titan - 1 piece). With Sunbreakers purchase I am in position to push Warlock to level 29. I am also seriously considering to waste some shards on fully upgrading non-raid legendary for Hunter & Titan to push them to level 29 as well, but that probably can wait another week.
I need 2 more runs of VoG normal and 1 Nightfall. Anybody want to do them together on Saturday 10am - 2pm PT or any time on Sunday?
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Post by hebbnh on Nov 7, 2014 12:42:38 GMT -5
I might be available to raid Sunday evening. Need to beat the Gatekeeper phase and Atheon with two characters yet, either normal or hard.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 7, 2014 12:54:56 GMT -5
I might be available to raid Sunday evening. Need to beat the Gatekeeper phase and Atheon with two characters yet, either normal or hard. I will go ahead and put the following on schedule: 11/09 VoG normal, tentative start 5pm PT 1. Witty 2. HebbNH 3. Open 4. Open 5. Open 6. Open
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 7, 2014 13:26:47 GMT -5
I ill definitely be there sunday night.
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Post by Dumien on Nov 7, 2014 14:12:05 GMT -5
Sunday night I can try to be on at 10 EST. I have some life to do before then.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 7, 2014 14:14:34 GMT -5
One thing that I am wondering: should we at least attempt the Templar once without the "cheese"? Not for every raid, but 1 time, just to see how it is supposed to be played.
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Post by hebbnh on Nov 7, 2014 15:13:13 GMT -5
One thing that I am wondering: should we at least attempt the Templar once without the "cheese"? Not for every raid, but 1 time, just to see how it is supposed to be played. Yeah, probably a good idea to start doing it legit once in a while to get used to it since the cheese method is sure to get patched out sooner or later.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 7, 2014 15:41:10 GMT -5
BTW: my wife is out of town next week so I am open for Raid on any week day nights and weekends starting Tuesday My goal is to push all 3 of my characters to level 29, 3 normal runs, and at least 2 hard runs. I also have a feeling that the Iron Banner may come out next week (hopefully with the exotic weapon buffs!). If that's the case, we may also need to grind towards the level 30 Crucible gear.
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Post by malgato on Nov 8, 2014 20:25:55 GMT -5
I still need three raid runs - normal or hard. I will be on after 10 pm PT tonight and tomorrow. I am also off work Monday and Tuesday, so can play either of those days. Just need raid boots for level 30 on 2 characters...
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 10, 2014 12:56:30 GMT -5
I still need three raid runs - normal or hard. I will be on after 10 pm PT tonight and tomorrow. I am also off work Monday and Tuesday, so can play either of those days. Just need raid boots for level 30 on 2 characters... I can play tonight as well, earliest start 7pm ish PT. In other words, I am up for Raiding all 5 weekday nights this week. I already pushed my Warlock to level 29, and I also have my Hunter and Titan ready to jump to level 29 any time by fully upgrading one piece of non-Raid gear (got enough shards and planet materials on stand by). Ideally I would like to do the current and next cycle of raids on them first to see if I can get lucky on Raid gear drops, before I waste the 18 shards. 1): Who else can raid tonight? 2): Let's go ahead and start planning Tuesday night Raid: 11/10 Tuesday VoG normal run - tentative start time: 5pm PT 1. Witty 2. Open 3. Open 4. Open 5. Open 6. Open
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Post by hebbnh on Nov 10, 2014 14:07:50 GMT -5
1): I can!
2): Count me in for tomorrow also!
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 11, 2014 13:11:41 GMT -5
Just had a chat with Dumien on XBL. He can Raid tonight and he will get a VoG hard Oracle checkpoint from his friends. The plan is to replicate that to everybody's characters so we can do hard raids from there. I am going ahead to get all 3 of my characters to level 29, so they are all ready for hard Raid. malgato said that he might be able to raid at 5pm, but only have a time window of 60 - 90 minutes. In that case maybe we can start with a quick normal raid. I assume normal and hard have separate checkpoints? 11/10 Tuesday VoG normal/hard run - tentative start time: 5pm PT 1. Witty 2. HebbNH 3. Dumien 4. malgato OR Open 5. Open 6. Open
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Post by Dumien on Nov 11, 2014 23:22:49 GMT -5
Sorry I was a bit late tonight. Overslept my nap lol.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 12, 2014 1:16:06 GMT -5
Sorry I was a bit late tonight. Overslept my nap lol. That's totally fine. Thanks a lot for the Oracle checkpoint! Now let's go ahead and plan for Thursday Raid. Who's in?
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Post by hebbnh on Nov 12, 2014 8:49:02 GMT -5
I'm in for Thursday for sure. THebb22 will be back from vacation so I'm sure he'll be in also.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 12, 2014 9:47:04 GMT -5
I'll be in. I need to end this dryspell. Last night on the one hard attempt we did, all four loot attempts were nothing but shards & energy.
I've now gone five straight hard attempts, without seeing any raid gear.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 12, 2014 11:39:06 GMT -5
Cool. We have the following on the schedule then: 11/13 Thursday VoG normal/hard run - tentative start time: 5:30pm PT 1. Witty 2. HebbNH 3. Thebb22 4. IW5K 5. Dumien 6. Open Sleezy, an experienced raider and past HSV1 bro, wants to raid with us. If we don't have a 6th, we can get him. We have not been able to raid "properly" for a while, due to several factors: a) We were not able to get our normal raid party together, normal life happened ; b) Due to a): Since the last normal we did (which we have to pull in some randoms), I did 3 partial hard runs of Oracle -> Gate Keeper. While it's easy and can give out substantial loot drops, I can't help but longing to play the raid for the challenges, not just for the loot; Hopefully, we can get back to our typical raid team on Thursday. In that case, I am hoping for the following: 1) Many of us have oracle checkpoint on multiple characters, we can do Oracle -> Gatekeeper for loot again. I would like to use the relic once to get familiar with it; 2) IW5K and I have Gatekeeper checkpoint. I hope that we can play that through the end, or at least get to Atheon. I am very looking forward to this notoriously hard part; 3) Personally I hope that we can at least do the Templar fight once without the grenade cheese. I feel that's another fun part that I have been missing; Thoughts?
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Post by Dumien on Nov 12, 2014 12:09:17 GMT -5
I really want to complete a hard raid with you guys. Is this Thursday a good time to do that? If so, I'll bring my game face and more heavy ammo packs than you can shake a stick at.
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