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Post by iw5000 on Nov 20, 2014 9:04:24 GMT -5
A tactic I see used against me is letting one/two players neutralise a flag, then kill them and cap the flag, so they have lost 1 or 2 x 25 points, but they gain x75 points plus the kills. I haven't perfected doing this to the enemy, but I am aware of not making it too easy for the other side to do this. That may just be happening naturally. I will often 'peak' around a corner before rushing a flag that is being capped. One, it tends to draw out misfires from trigger happy people, and two, you get a feel for what is defending it. That tactic alone (the 3 to 4 sec it takes), typically allows them to neutralize the flag right there. |
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Post by hebbnh on Nov 20, 2014 9:50:45 GMT -5
Nice vids IW. Must have ran into some guys that don't know how radar works with as many times and you stood in a corner and dudes just ran right by completely oblivious to your presence -- until you fusion rifled them of course!
Also, reddit confirms the buff today is up to 25%, so it seems to be increasing faster than a lot of people expected, which is awesome. I really only need to hit rank 3 with my Hunter for boots and rank 4 with my Warlock and Titan for gloves, but I'd like to get to 4 with my Hunter for the cloak, and 5 with at least one of them to pick up the Goldspiral shader. If the buff is up to 50% or more by the weekend, that would help a lot.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 20, 2014 10:25:20 GMT -5
Nice vids IW. Must have ran into some guys that don't know how radar works with as many times and you stood in a corner and dudes just ran right by completely oblivious to your presence -- until you fusion rifled them of course! Also, reddit confirms the buff today is up to 25%, so it seems to be increasing faster than a lot of people expected, which is awesome. I really only need to hit rank 3 with my Hunter for boots and rank 4 with my Warlock and Titan for gloves, but I'd like to get to 4 with my Hunter for the cloak, and 5 with at least one of them to pick up the Goldspiral shader. If the buff is up to 50% or more by the weekend, that would help a lot. The front-side of B CoD tactic still does work sometimes. Tried, tested and true!!! lol. That was a bad group, a whole lobby of bad players. My team had five people for partof the game, and we still smacked the other team around badly. That 10-kill bounty is a tough one to get done. It took me like ten games to get it. I'm still not entirely sure how radar works. Can they see me all the time? Or only if my ADS is up? Or I am blind if kneeling? I've heard so many different things. If the buff is 25%, I am going to play a bit tonight before we do the raid. Do you want to join? If we play six to eight games, we could get up to 1,000 pts with reset bounties. |
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Post by n1gh7 on Nov 20, 2014 10:40:08 GMT -5
I'm still not entirely sure how radar works. Can they see me all the time? Or only if my ADS is up? Or I am blind if kneeling? I've heard so many different things. They can see you on their minimap if you can see your arrow on your minimap. Essentially always, unless crouching where it pulses on/off. |
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 20, 2014 10:55:49 GMT -5
What's killing me now is my Intellect/Discip/Strength composition. I am 'Super' heavy, well over the 272 limit. Actually at 324. So I am wasting points. This is pretty much making me run around with only a 26% grenade cooldown effect, gimping me hard. I think Grenade recharge is 60 seconds, with a 20 second base? This means rather than getting a grenade every 20 seconds (shortest time), I am having to wait till 49 seconds*. Not good. If I could take some of those wasted 52 pts on my Super...and apply to Discipline, I could reduce that down to 38 seconds. That's a HUGE buff.
But I can't. I don't have enough Raid gear to do the mix and match game. I need to get the gloves the IB is selling, which is not loaded up on Intellect. This would be a much better loadout for Crucible play.
*my raid gloves can reduce this time with a melee kill, but the amount is unknown.
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Post by hebbnh on Nov 20, 2014 10:58:06 GMT -5
Nice vids IW. Must have ran into some guys that don't know how radar works with as many times and you stood in a corner and dudes just ran right by completely oblivious to your presence -- until you fusion rifled them of course! Also, reddit confirms the buff today is up to 25%, so it seems to be increasing faster than a lot of people expected, which is awesome. I really only need to hit rank 3 with my Hunter for boots and rank 4 with my Warlock and Titan for gloves, but I'd like to get to 4 with my Hunter for the cloak, and 5 with at least one of them to pick up the Goldspiral shader. If the buff is up to 50% or more by the weekend, that would help a lot. The front-side of B CoD tactic still does work sometimes. Tried, tested and true!!! lol. That was a bad group, a whole lobby of bad players. My team had five people for partof the game, and we still smacked the other team around badly. That 10-kill bounty is a tough one to get done. It took me like ten games to get it. I'm still not entirely sure how radar works. Can they see me all the time? Or only if my ADS is up? Or I am blind if kneeling? I've heard so many different things. If the buff is 25%, I am going to play a bit tonight before we do the raid. Do you want to join? If we play six to eight games, we could get up to 1,000 pts with reset bounties. I have two more weekly heroic strikes to run through with THebb -- should only take us an hour at most and you're welcome to join if you still need to do them too. Then I'll jump into IB until it's raid time. Speaking of which, do you have the oracle checkpoint? Dumien: will you be on at all tonight to dupe it for us if we can't find somebody that has it already? Regarding the radar, you show up at all times unless crouched, in which case you pop up briefly every few seconds. |
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 20, 2014 10:59:51 GMT -5
I have no checkpoints.
I have not done any Weekly or NF's this week yet. I've been only grinding the IB.
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Post by wings on Nov 20, 2014 11:01:05 GMT -5
What is the deal with the shader? Is it purely cosmetic? Might get all characters to rank. 4 if possible.
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Post by hebbnh on Nov 20, 2014 11:04:42 GMT -5
What is the deal with the shader? Is it purely cosmetic? Might get all characters to rank. 4 if possible. It's almost purely cosmetic. Wearing one of the Iron Banner shaders gives you a 10% bonus to IB rep gains. Not huge on its own, but comined with the class item (another 10%), emblem (another 10%), and Tempering buff (25% today, increasing until the end of the event), you're looking at a big time bonus. |
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 20, 2014 11:06:24 GMT -5
What is the deal with the shader? Is it purely cosmetic? Might get all characters to rank. 4 if possible. Shaders are purely cosmetic. I previewed both of them on my hunter, not impressed by the looks. Probably will skip them. I do want to get at least 1 thing at rank 5, just as evidence as reaching it. |
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Post by Dumien on Nov 20, 2014 11:31:33 GMT -5
Last night I logged on to give the CP to Witty and Mal. Mal had already done the oracle/Templar.I was tired and didn't read the prompts that asked me to restart...from the beginning. When we flew to the Vault my CP was gone. So stupid.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 20, 2014 11:51:57 GMT -5
What is the deal with the shader? Is it purely cosmetic? Might get all characters to rank. 4 if possible. Shaders are purely cosmetic. I previewed both of them on my hunter, not impressed by the looks. Probably will skip them. I do want to get at least 1 thing at rank 5, just as evidence as reaching it. Equipping the shader gives a 10% bonus to points witty. You first equip the emblem at level 1. 10%. When you reach level 2, you buy the shader and that gives you a 2nd 10% boost. |
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Post by hebbnh on Nov 20, 2014 11:53:09 GMT -5
Last night I logged on to give the CP to Witty and Mal. Mal had already done the oracle/Templar.I was tired and didn't read the prompts that asked me to restart...from the beginning. When we flew to the Vault my CP was gone. So stupid. So...does Mal or Witty have a checkpoint then? Or are you saying we're going to be starting from scratch? Not a huge deal either way. At least, I think. I haven't actually done the conflux defense on hard, so hopefully it's not too bad. |
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Post by malgato on Nov 20, 2014 11:54:48 GMT -5
Last night I logged on to give the CP to Witty and Mal. Mal had already done the oracle/Templar.I was tired and didn't read the prompts that asked me to restart...from the beginning. When we flew to the Vault my CP was gone. So stupid. So...does Mal or Witty have a checkpoint then? Or are you saying we're going to be starting from scratch? Not a huge deal either way. At least, I think. I haven't actually done the conflux defense on hard, so hopefully it's not too bad. No checkpoints.  My fault (maybe?). |
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Post by Dumien on Nov 20, 2014 11:56:21 GMT -5
My fault (probably) I think. I don't know.
But yeah we should probably do confluxes just to say we did them. Everybody get your warlocks ready.
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Post by hebbnh on Nov 20, 2014 12:03:06 GMT -5
My Warlock is only 28...guessing that's not gonna go so well?
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 20, 2014 12:07:29 GMT -5
I would like to do this fight for once. We can then duplicate the checkpoints to each other, maybe a few quick runs of Oracle -> Gatekeeper, then have another go at hard raid completion. It's never too early to start practicing for "Flawless Raiding"  |
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Post by wings on Nov 20, 2014 12:30:18 GMT -5
I can see Glimmer beingb an issue for players with more than one character
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 21, 2014 10:00:35 GMT -5
Grinded my way to level 3 this morning, by getting lucky with four straight wins. Top scorer in two of them. Better yet, my 3rd win was a game in progress win, only took five minutes. Then on my 4th game, ...I quit after it started out 600 to 3,000. I was gone. I searched for a new game, and got dumped into a game that was 18,000 to 8,000. One minute later I got my fourth win!!!!
The whole thing only took like 30 minutes. Did it while eating breakfast before work.
Level 3 finally. I am going to load up the buffer thing this afternoon, and I still am sitting on four bounties that are almost done. I get five or six wins, I will be halfway to level 4 by this evening.
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Post by wings on Nov 21, 2014 10:15:00 GMT -5
Can anyone confirm if the buff has been increased today? Might save hitting rank 4 until Monday to save some game time because I will need time to farm Glimmer (going to use the Exclusion Zone story for that until I run out of Resupply Codes). Also, what time does Saladin stay on Monday at The Tower? Idea to save hitting rank 4 is to make the bounties give me extra.
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Post by hebbnh on Nov 21, 2014 10:20:15 GMT -5
Can anyone confirm if the buff has been increased today? Might save hitting rank 4 until Monday to save some game time because I will need time to farm Glimmer (going to use the Exclusion Zone story for that until I run out of Resupply Codes). Also, what time does Saladin stay on Monday at The Tower? Idea to save hitting rank 4 is to make the bounties give me extra. A couple threads on reddit show the buff being 40% today. It started at 10%, then 15%, then 25%, now 40%. If that pattern continues we should see 60% Saturday, 85% Sunday, and 115% Monday. Saladin should be in the tower until the weekly reset early Tuesday morning. |
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Post by wings on Nov 21, 2014 10:29:29 GMT -5
Can anyone confirm if the buff has been increased today? Might save hitting rank 4 until Monday to save some game time because I will need time to farm Glimmer (going to use the Exclusion Zone story for that until I run out of Resupply Codes). Also, what time does Saladin stay on Monday at The Tower? Idea to save hitting rank 4 is to make the bounties give me extra. A couple threads on reddit show the buff being 40% today. It started at 10%, then 15%, then 25%, now 40%. If that pattern continues we should see 60% Saturday, 85% Sunday, and 115% Monday. Saladin should be in the tower until the weekly reset early Tuesday morning. Yeah I saw that but my tablet crashed so I could not find it again. |
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Post by psychlon on Nov 21, 2014 15:02:17 GMT -5
given a week, this is a joke. 1 week events with faction grind per character is about the lamest idea they could have come up with.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 21, 2014 15:04:34 GMT -5
given a week, this is a joke. 1 week events with faction grind per character is about the lamest idea they could have come up with. You mean Iron Banner? The general feedback from community and bros here are positive. It is fun if you are 29+ with kick ass weapons that need non-AI targets . Good times even without the 30-light gear rewards... |
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 21, 2014 15:15:04 GMT -5
BTW, ICYMI: IB level advantage curve from Bungie's weekly update:  It is flat enough when the level diff is < 5. |
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Post by hebbnh on Nov 21, 2014 15:43:51 GMT -5
given a week, this is a joke. 1 week events with faction grind per character is about the lamest idea they could have come up with. What part of it is a joke, exactly? A week is more than enough time to rank up a character even if all you have is a couple hours a day. Trying to get 3 characters all the way to level 5 could be tough, but the best gear available is unlocked at rank 3 and rank 4. With all the rep bonuses available, that's actually fairly easy to achieve. |
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 21, 2014 15:50:05 GMT -5
I have video of a level 21 player running up to me, firing a whole clip into my head/body. He then went to reload, I smacked him with a flame fist and he died. He had to have been jacked off pretty hard. That would seem to make sense. 30-21 = 9 level diff. He was only doing 25% or so of his typical damage from his gun, so basically, he probably needed three clips to kill me.
Best i can tell, if that's accurate
30-29 - 100%
28 - 97%
27 - 94%
26 - 91%
25 - 84%
24 - 75%
23 - 62%
22 - 45%
21 - 25%
20 - 8%
19 - fvked
I would say a level 27 isn't hurt 'that' much. 6% nerf to his/her damage output is only going to come into play once, maybe twice a game at best. Level 26? 9-10% nerf? That could make a difference in every gun battle that is close. At level 25, a 16% nerf to your output is really pushing it. I think that is something that is going to be felt/seen in almost every 1 v 1 face off, (where you don't shoot 'em from behind)
I would not play under any conditions if I was a level 24. Stay out of this.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 21, 2014 15:56:08 GMT -5
given a week, this is a joke. 1 week events with faction grind per character is about the lamest idea they could have come up with. Hold your jets. I'm the Den Kirson resident IBanner hater, so butt out. This is my job to hate, not yours. And being the guy who gripes on here, let me say this. IB has it's issues (which I have addressed), but even I have to eat a bit of crow on that one (time demands), as at the time, I hadn't fully understood the the bonus-stacking devices being handed out. Banners, emblems, shaders equipped, etc... Especially now, with the buff device at 25% (or 40%?) percent. You can REALLY level up fast now. I didn't even have the benefit of some of the above, and I made to to level 3 in just a few days, about five or six sessions. And I am grinding 100% solo, by myself. |
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 21, 2014 15:58:15 GMT -5
I have video of a level 21 player running up to me, firing a whole clip into my head/body. He then went to reload, I smacked him with a flame fist and he died. He had to have been jacked off pretty hard. That would seem to make sense. 30-21 = 9 level diff. He was only doing 25% or so of his typical damage from his gun, so basically, he probably needed three clips to kill me. Best i can tell, if that's accurate 30-29 - 100% 28 - 97% 27 - 94% 26 - 91% 25 - 84% 24 - 75% 23 - 62% 22 - 45% 21 - 25% 20 - 8% 19 - fvked I would say a level 27 isn't hurt 'that' much. 6% nerf to his/her damage output is only going to come into play once, maybe twice a game at best. Level 26? 9-10% nerf? That could difficult in every gun battle that is close. A 16% nerf to your output is really pushing. I think that is something that is going to be felt/seen in almost every 1 v 1 face off, (where you don't shoot first) Official statement from Bungie is that players can be competitive "within 3 levels", inline with what you are saying here. My recommendation: 1) if you are level 26 or below, there is little point of playing IB. There are plenty of PvE to do to get you to level 28, which should be your primary goal so you can play more lucrative content of weekly/Nightfall/Raid; 2) Level 28+ on the other hand should seriously consider playing IB if you don't already own Raid boots and gloves, as the opportunity of getting 30-light armor pieces without RNG does not come often; |
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Post by mannon on Nov 21, 2014 17:02:12 GMT -5
I wish they would make events at least two weeks. It's very easy to simply miss an event when it only lasts a week. It wouldn't be as big a deal if there was always an event or if we had one every other week. Hell if they even just happened on a regular schedule, that would be cool. But instead they just kind of ambush you and then you've only got 1 week to make good.
That's REALLY lame for casual players.
On the other hand casual players don't usually hit the caps on things like marks so effectively 100% of a casual player's play time can be earning marks, motes, coins, ect. Where hardcore players will cap out and have to find something else to do like running VoG a bunch or farming mats.
So I guess it kind of evens out, but I still say it would be better if it were either a two week event or if they happened on a regular schedule so we could prepare.
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