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Post by sixone on Nov 28, 2014 7:51:49 GMT -5
Now that we've learned a bit about the stats and have unlocked some variants figured I'd start a thread for the Bros to post their thoughts on the weapons. I generally create my classes based on the range I plan to fight at. So the foundation is usually BTK & recoil. I then factor in stuff like irons & mag size after that. I mainly play Kill Confirmed & TDM solo.
CQC. SAC3 (variant?). Fire Rate & Hip Fire spread are the 2 most important attributes with this gun for me as I'm pretty much always in the minimum 4HK range. I basically use it like a shotgun and it's my kill, grab the tag, gun of choice in KC especially on maps like Detroit with rooms and tight corners. Although I have the Rapid & Misery & Company variants I don't see any difference in rpm once I slap on rapid fire so I've just been using vanilla. And looking at the stats of the variants I've yet to unlock, it's hard to judge what might fit better. The only issue I have with this weapon is that because it isn't pinpoint accurate if you face 2 tangos it can be hard focus on one and then the other since the hipfire is less predictable than ADS. But if they're within 5m or so of each other they're dead.
Close-Mid: MP11 Goliath. 4-5HK. 4HK >30m. If you slap on a Suppressor it's still a 4HK ~25m. So in the range you want to fight in the Suppressor is "free". The Parabolic is mandatory on all my classes with the Foregrip not far behind so I go between Suppressor & Extended Mags in the 3rd slot. No other SMG competes that I've unlocked or can tell via the stats. I tried out the Bal-27 223 because it's reportedly 900 rpm, but it's a 4-6HK and I'd have to add Stock for close range so the Goliath is a better fit imo.
Mid Range: MK14 (j/k). Bal-27 Obsidian Steed. Best "jack of all trades" gun in the game imo. Fire rate, Damage, & Irons. Even tho I say it's jack of all trades, it really dominates by being a 3HK @ 720 rpm w/in 30m even with a Suppressor. Even tho the Goliath has a higher rpm, I prefer the trade off of one less BTK. The Goliath only gets the nod in Close-Mid for maps where I'm dodging in and out of cover, roofs, etc. like Riot so I prefer the mobility. But if I choose to take my time the Obsidian rules. Needs Foregrip but what other gun doesn't besides the AK12 or a variant w/ Accuracy +?
Long Range: AK12 R.I.P. 720 rpm and a flat 4HK. gosh darn golly gee whiz near zero recoil but only a 22 bullet magazine. Suppressor is "free" if you want it due to 4HK at all ranges. So you're trading rpm, accuracy & consistent BTK for mag size. So for me Extended Mags is mandatory because even when you keep your distance, this is AW so someone is gonna spawn/boost near you eventually. This tier is the most competitive since not only do you have other ARs to compete with but you're moving into sniper territory as well. Aside from the snipers, it's main comp is the max 4HK AR variants & the burst rifles. Of them I have the HBRa3 Average Joe & The Bal Obsidian. While the Bal is usable, I have to burst fire it at range causing TTK loss. I actually like the Avg Joe more, but just like EM is mandatory on the AK, Grip is mandatory on the Avg Joe and for me the RDS as well cuz I can't see through those irons at range. I have the IMR Feedback & Boar Strike which have increased fire rate & damage respectively. But in using them I just find my TTK to be lower than the AK12 at range. I have to use 2 bursts at a minimum and once someone gets hit once, they start boost dodging all over. I personally have more success with the 4HK @ 720rpm and no recoil. Again, would love a 2-3HK MK14 to be thrown in the mix.
tl;dr You can sell all your variants once you unlock the Bal Obsidian, lol.
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Post by strokedem on Nov 28, 2014 10:58:44 GMT -5
If you have the Goliath, RIP, and Obsidian i am deeply jealous.
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Post by mrbone2u on Nov 28, 2014 11:20:28 GMT -5
for long range i would disagree with your weapon choice. The Steel Bite Arx is just nasty business. +3 damage on that gun makes it a 1 burst out to ridiculous ranges. Also there's an imr with +3 accuracy which lands pretty much every bullet in the burst on your target.
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Post by Ironforce92 on Nov 28, 2014 11:50:24 GMT -5
Is the Bang Stick (Fire Rate +1, Handling +1, Mobility +1, Range -2, Accuracy -1) any good? I read before that the fire rate doesn' t change.
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Post by -3055- on Nov 28, 2014 12:20:56 GMT -5
well it has -2 range so why would you even consider it.
For the shotguns, I only recommend:
Tac-19: roundhouse: firerate +1, range +1, handling -1, mobility -1
S12: whirlwind. +2 firerate, +1 mag capacity (2 extra shots) -2 accuracy, -1 handling
bulldog: face hammer: accuracy +2, damage +1, no opticals, handling -1
I want that s12 whirlwind so fucking badly.
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Post by -3055- on Nov 28, 2014 12:21:28 GMT -5
If someone has the S-12 Whirlwind can they upload some gameplay footage of it so I can jerk off to it
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Post by sixone on Nov 28, 2014 13:49:06 GMT -5
for long range i would disagree with your weapon choice. The Steel Bite Arx is just nasty business. +3 damage on that gun makes it a 1 burst out to ridiculous ranges. Also there's an imr with +3 accuracy which lands pretty much every bullet in the burst on your target. No argument there as it makes sense but a) I don't have those weapons yet and b) I've had inconsistent results with the burst rifles I do have. For example, the IMR Boar Strike can one burst kill well beyond 30m, but in practice its hit marker city for me. But anyway, thanks for the response, that's what this thread is intended to do, identify those variants that fit your playstyle.
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Nov 28, 2014 13:52:48 GMT -5
Two extra shots don't sound like much. :c
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Post by Will on Nov 28, 2014 14:32:59 GMT -5
For the core playlists, I think it can be universally accepted that the Obsidian Steed and Goliath are the two best weapons in the game. The HBRa3 Insanity and the AK-12 R.I.P. are good runner-ups. Everything else can be destroyed for XP. For the Hard core playlists, the HBRa3 Average Joe seems to have the longest 1HK range (>30 damage) of all the automatic weapons. I haven't unlocked the Goliath yet to test it, but I don't think that "+3 damage" pumps the minimum damage up to 30, so it would be useless. Any +damage weapon would actually be a detriment in Hard core unless it brings the minimum damage up to 30, so you are better off looking for weapons with +range and +firerate. If someone has the S-12 Whirlwind can they upload some gameplay footage of it so I can jerk off to it I've gotten it twice. That 2000 xp went a long way.
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Post by sixone on Nov 28, 2014 16:29:48 GMT -5
Got the HBRa3 Insanity. It's the same damage as the Avg Joe @ 720 rpm and more recoil (even with Grip). Oh well, back to the Obsidian!
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Post by mrbone2u on Nov 28, 2014 16:56:45 GMT -5
I wish i could find a good variant of the AMR9. I have the one with the grenade launcher now its not bad. If i could find one with better fire rate and accuracy id be happy seeing as how unlocking rapid fire requires 6 double kills, seems almost impossible to get with that gun.
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Post by wwaa on Nov 28, 2014 18:25:41 GMT -5
^ p l a y H C ...
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Post by mrbone2u on Nov 28, 2014 18:27:12 GMT -5
true. Ive just been spamming the grenade launcher trying to get doubles.
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Post by Will on Nov 28, 2014 18:42:26 GMT -5
true. Ive just been spamming the grenade launcher trying to get doubles. Kills with the grenade launcher do not count as kills for the gun.
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Post by Ironforce92 on Nov 28, 2014 18:51:04 GMT -5
well it has -2 range so why would you even consider it. For the shotguns, I only recommend: Tac-19: roundhouse: firerate +1, range +1, handling -1, mobility -1 S12: whirlwind. +2 firerate, +1 mag capacity (2 extra shots) -2 accuracy, -1 handling bulldog: face hammer: accuracy +2, damage +1, no opticals, handling -1 I want that s12 whirlwind so Foxtroting badly. Are you kidding right?? i wreck people with MY BOOMSTICK!!!!
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Nov 28, 2014 19:30:39 GMT -5
well it has -2 range so why would you even consider it. For the shotguns, I only recommend: Tac-19: roundhouse: firerate +1, range +1, handling -1, mobility -1 S12: whirlwind. +2 firerate, +1 mag capacity (2 extra shots) -2 accuracy, -1 handling bulldog: face hammer: accuracy +2, damage +1, no opticals, handling -1 I want that s12 whirlwind so Foxtroting badly. From what I have of shotguns: Tac-19: Sledgehammer: Accuracy +2, Ammo +1, handling -1, mobility -1 (accuracy tightens spread on shotguns, making this great) S12: Tiger Blood: Firerate +3, Accuracy -2 Damage -1 (sounds bad on paper but the fire rate makes it amazing) Bulldog: Carnage?: Accuracy +2, Damage -1, Fire Rate -1 (I don't have any good bulldogs)
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Post by confuzzled on Nov 28, 2014 22:59:52 GMT -5
What game mode do you play that parabolic microphone is mandatory?
I play mainly dom and hardpoint and to be honest, I've dropped low profile. My bal obsidian steed with scavenger is all I need...
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Post by -3055- on Nov 29, 2014 3:01:58 GMT -5
accuracy tightens spread on shotguns, making this great) Source? I just tried shooting at a wall with various shotguns with various +/- accuracy variants and the ADS spread didn't seem to change at all.
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Post by sixone on Nov 29, 2014 6:45:28 GMT -5
What game mode do you play that parabolic microphone is mandatory? I play mainly dom and hardpoint and to be honest, I've dropped low profile. My bal obsidian steed with scavenger is all I need... Kill Confirmed & TDM. And by mandatory I just mean that the game mode dictates it as much as I like the the awareness it provides. I've learned to use being on the radar to my advantage so Low Profile isn't a big deal to me, although in this title not knowing the maps combined with the spawns, movement, etc. makes it a more viable choice than in the past.
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Nov 29, 2014 7:49:26 GMT -5
accuracy tightens spread on shotguns, making this great) Source? I just tried shooting at a wall with various shotguns with various +/- accuracy variants and the ADS spread didn't seem to change at all. I did some testing on variants that included looking at where the reticles are in firing range. The hipfire reticle would change depending on the accuracy variation. Since we know this is a CoD where ADS spread is determined by non-mobile hipfire spread (much like black ops 1), we can assume that ADS spread is affected too by accuracy.
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Post by banana on Nov 29, 2014 20:20:11 GMT -5
Why is the Bal 223 specifically a competitor vs the mp11 goliath when any other Bal should be better because 3hk @ 720 rpm kills faster than 4hk @ 900 rpm?
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Post by sixone on Nov 30, 2014 5:22:20 GMT -5
Why is the Bal 223 specifically a competitor vs the mp11 goliath when any other Bal should be better because 3hk @ 720 rpm kills faster than 4hk @ 900 rpm? The short answer is sure the rest of the Bal family are competitors, but "better" is a matter of preference. Probably a whole other topic but there have been a few damage vs RoF threads over the years. I'm not sure if there's any consensus on which is theoretically better. I have always leaned towards the "power" (less rpm & BTK) weapons cuz I tend to miss shots and burn thru ammo. So even if the higher RoF makes up for the misses, I tend to try to conserve ammo by easing off the trigger cuz I'm worried about reloading mid fight. However, with the power weapons I tend to just hold on the trigger till they're dead. So for me, while the Bal Obsidian is awesome fo it's mainly for it's 3HK range and irons. I like the the HBRa3 Avg Joe w/ RDS too but don't like having to use the point for an optic.
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Post by banana on Nov 30, 2014 9:56:48 GMT -5
Well if the hybrid sight thing is true then the optic point won't matter
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Post by sixone on Nov 30, 2014 10:53:26 GMT -5
Not up on the "hybrid sight thing", what's that?
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Post by banana on Nov 30, 2014 16:21:56 GMT -5
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Post by Will on Nov 30, 2014 18:51:40 GMT -5
Unlocked the Goliath today, went straight into some Hardcore Kill Confirmed and tried getting some long-range kills. Hitmarker city. So the minimum damage is certainly below 30.
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Post by cashmoves on Dec 1, 2014 9:04:16 GMT -5
Tac-19
Sledgehammer [Elite] (Accuracy +2, Magazine Capacity +1, Handling -1, Mobility -1)
Upper Cut [Professional] (Damage +1, Accuracy +1, Range -1, Mobility -1) (Yellow Base Camo)
without having played either of these variants, these pretty much have to be the two best variants. range does not do much for you (advanced rifling attachment just extends your 3-4 shot kill range a bit, effectively doing nothing for you). instead of "advanced rifling," they should call it "extended hit markers." the only things that matter with these weapon then are damage (duh), accuracy (hip spread tightening), and fire rate (duh), and mag capacity (kind of but not essential depending on game mode). so there ya go.
as an aside, they should add a variant that deals increased flinch. i get mowed down WAY TO DAMN OFTEN by an smg or BAL (gross) after landing a square hit with a shotgun... this, bros, is unacceptable.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Dec 1, 2014 10:41:02 GMT -5
get mowed down WAY TO gosh darn golly gee whiz OFTEN by an smg or BAL (gross) after landing a square hit with a shotgun... this, bros, is unacceptable. Yes, hitting people with the shotgun is unacceptable. Nerf shotguns.
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Post by xFEARtheSHIELDx on Dec 7, 2014 3:41:10 GMT -5
I've gotten all my favorite variants in the last two days (450 games played).
MP11 Sqeaker... I had the Goliath, sold it, love the Squeaker though.
Bulldoge Face Hammer: fun stuff. S-12 Tiger Blood: this may be even better than the Whirlwind with it's +3 fire rate (+2 shells would be nice, tho). Tons of fun even naked. Purty too. Hoping it works good with my shield when I get fast hands back, used to love m1216 w/ shield. XMG Bread n' Butta: this has become my favorite gun in the game. Got it the day after the buff. Rapid fire, +3 fire rate = rape machine. Nearly as good as the Sac3's on the move, nearly unstoppable in lockdown mode. For fun try this: plant a fast plant shield, then switch to lockdown mode, then pick it back up. Whenever you plant the shield after that, the XMG's will automatically return to lockdown mode. If only you could go prone with these :/
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Post by Will on Dec 7, 2014 5:01:43 GMT -5
MP11 Sqeaker... I had the Goliath, sold it, love the Squeaker though. wut did I just read
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