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Post by Megaqwerty on Feb 4, 2015 12:32:27 GMT -5
ameli heavy is the better variant for overall flexibility. subverter is good for niche roles. The Heavy has marginally worse hip spread for twice the magazine size; it is far superior. Regarding the EPM, recoil was never the problem. Its problems were a combination of muzzle flash, low damage (given the gun's other properties), and low capacity before overheating. This patch changed none of those. I advise acquiring Diamond on the gun in Hardcore and then never touching it again. |
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Post by fpsdredd on Feb 4, 2015 12:40:01 GMT -5
ameli heavy is the better variant for overall flexibility. subverter is good for niche roles. The Heavy has marginally worse hip spread for twice the magazine size; it is far superior. Regarding the EPM, recoil was never the problem. Its problems were a combination of muzzle flash, low damage (given the gun's other properties), and low capacity before overheating. This patch changed none of those. I advise acquiring Diamond on the gun in Touch Football and then never touching it again. EPM3 damage is it's strongest feature... 1200 Rpm 3 hit kill Ameli heavy is 3hk at 666 to compare EPM3 Anodized is best if you can manage the recoil at range. EPM3 if you want sustained fire. |
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Post by kylet357 on Feb 4, 2015 12:50:58 GMT -5
The Heavy has marginally worse hip spread for twice the magazine size; it is far superior. Regarding the EPM, recoil was never the problem. Its problems were a combination of muzzle flash, low damage (given the gun's other properties), and low capacity before overheating. This patch changed none of those. I advise acquiring Diamond on the gun in Touch Football and then never touching it again. EPM3 damage is it's strongest feature... 1200 Rpm 3 hit kill Ameli heavy is 3hk at 666 to compare Well, that requires you to actually hit 1200 RPM. |
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Post by fpsdredd on Feb 4, 2015 12:55:27 GMT -5
^ That's correct
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Post by Megaqwerty on Feb 4, 2015 12:56:33 GMT -5
EPM3 damage is it's strongest feature... 1200 Rpm 3 hit kill But it is only good for eight shots or so, limiting its ability to be spammed, even if accuracy is maintained through the muzzle flash and recoil. If you are able to consistently kill faster with the EPM than with any other gun, major kudos to you, but you would probably beast with any weapon if you are that good. |
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Post by fpsdredd on Feb 4, 2015 13:00:46 GMT -5
EPM3 damage is it's strongest feature... 1200 Rpm 3 hit kill But it is only good for eight shots or so, limiting its ability to be spammed, even if accuracy is maintained through the muzzle flash and recoil. If you are able to consistently kill faster with the EPM than with any other gun, major kudos to you, but you would probably beast with any weapon if you are that good. beginning my training with the EPM3 tonight. It has serious potential. My opinion is that it's a niche weapon by design. Can I get good with it? That's another question. |
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Post by kylet357 on Feb 4, 2015 13:03:21 GMT -5
It overheats @ 7 shots, so you have to fire it slowly to not overheat it (and so you can actually see).
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Post by Megaqwerty on Feb 4, 2015 13:07:22 GMT -5
So the Exterminator has a four round capacity? That is absurd.
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Post by cat on Feb 4, 2015 13:39:38 GMT -5
I might be wrong, but looks like new max dmg range of tac-19 is ~250-256 inches (nvm, tested it with adv. rifling, range is the same), HBRa3 3 STK range is ~870-900 inches. Didn't notice any improvements on EMP3, still kicks as wild horse. IMR Feedback still has the same broken range. Edit: it still unclear about tac-19 range, here an example of max. range based on built-in range meter i.imgur.com/HxwUOuN.jpgLooks like it has more than 200" of max. range. |
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Post by kylet357 on Feb 4, 2015 14:02:19 GMT -5
I might be wrong, but looks like new max dmg range of tac-19 is 256 inches. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what it is. If it is, then SHG just did a shitty buff to it. |
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Feb 4, 2015 14:48:47 GMT -5
That's a 25% percent increase how is free advanced rifling not a good buff.
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Post by lllRL on Feb 4, 2015 15:29:11 GMT -5
I'd rather be given a MW3 P99 as a primary in AW than use the EPM3 lol. Hate it... hate it!!!
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Post by asasa on Feb 4, 2015 15:52:24 GMT -5
EPM3 damage is it's strongest feature... 1200 Rpm 3 hit kill Ameli heavy is 3hk at 666 to compare Well, that requires you to actually hit 1200 RPM. He's not smart enough to understand that; or it's because he is using a macro. He already cheats with an XIM, so most likely he has a macro as well. I tried it too that way. The consensus is that firing range doesn't reflect the patch, oddly enough. There's barely any upward recoil now. The flash trails are brutal, but it will compete as a counter-sniper and in mid/long range battles where the BAL is a 5HK. Seems the same in private match to me. I'm guessing patch was a 10% increase in CS/reduction in vertical kick. |
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Feb 4, 2015 17:43:41 GMT -5
The patch definitely made it much more accurate. It now just needs some damage to go with it. I'm assuming the whole conundrum is they don't want to patch variants but any 2hk epm3 would make the exterminator a 1 headshot kill. The solution to this of course would be to give all epm3 a 1.5 everything multiplier by default to bring the damage up to 51. They could even decrease the damage values to 34-34-33.
But that would be too smart for SHG.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Feb 4, 2015 18:01:32 GMT -5
but any 2hk epm3 would make the exterminator a 1 headshot kill. You say this like it's a bad thing. |
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Post by -3055- on Feb 4, 2015 19:20:01 GMT -5
recoil is a huge issue for the EPM3
I shoot that shit like im afraid of the mag so it flies upwards and im out after 7 shots.
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Post by kylet357 on Feb 4, 2015 20:12:40 GMT -5
So the Exterminator has a four round capacity? That is absurd. Tested it out, I didn't see any difference between the Exterminator and the base variant in terms of how much shots it takes to overheat. Maybe it controls a different factor. |
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Post by asasa on Feb 4, 2015 20:21:03 GMT -5
Well if it doesnt effect overheat, then I suppose the variants with lower viewkick and not reduced damage are the best. AKA, the Anodized..
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Post by lllRL on Feb 4, 2015 22:04:54 GMT -5
I'd love to know why six of the EPM3 variants have increased range. It's a 3hk at all ranges, and only two of those variants have lower damage for 4hk at range  |
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Feb 4, 2015 22:41:58 GMT -5
Because it wasn't always a 3HK when the game launched.
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Post by blastard on Feb 5, 2015 0:00:15 GMT -5
I'd love to know why six of the EPM3 variants have increased range. It's a 3hk at all ranges, and only two of those variants have lower damage for 4hk at range Yes, and that makes the elite EPM3 Parsec inferior to the vanilla EPM3 since it's only buff is to its range. At least the vanilla allows all attachments. Feh. |
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Post by lllRL on Feb 5, 2015 0:17:18 GMT -5
Because it wasn't always a 3HK when the game launched. Really? Wow... no wonder there were so many complaints! And to think that it's still rather awful... |
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Post by Megaqwerty on Feb 5, 2015 1:15:08 GMT -5
Yep, it was a 3-4 hit kill at launch. Imagine that.
No one at this company play tested this game.
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Post by Spectre on Feb 5, 2015 3:50:26 GMT -5
Pc patch hit yesterday, same changes as the other platforms.
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Post by thegentleman on Feb 5, 2015 4:45:19 GMT -5
Well, either I had a bad night or my initial run with the Tac-19 was pure placebo. I just couldn't kill anyone with that gun for the life of me. Switched to the KF-5, and lo and behold, turns out I don't have floppy dicks for thumbs any more. Ran both the uppercut and roundhouse. Got shat on equally as bad for the painful 20 minutes I was hell-bent on using them.
Still liking the EPM3, though.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Feb 5, 2015 11:38:10 GMT -5
Well, either I had a bad night or my initial run with the Tac-19 was pure placebo. Shotguns have always been like that tbh. Some nights they're consistent beasts while some nights three point blank center mass shots only will net you hitmarkers. |
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Post by Usagi on Feb 6, 2015 16:38:31 GMT -5
EPM3 doesnt seem to be buffed on PC either. Still the same recoil as before. Kidding me? Did you test it in the firing range or private match? Apparently patches don't affect the firing range. EDIT: Just tested it myself. In private match it has almost no recoil even without a grip. It has much more recoil in the firing range. |
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Post by asasa on Feb 6, 2015 20:31:51 GMT -5
EPM3 doesnt seem to be buffed on PC either. Still the same recoil as before. Kidding me? Did you test it in the firing range or private match? Apparently patches don't affect the firing range. EDIT: Just tested it myself. In private match it has almost no recoil even without a grip. It has much more recoil in the firing range. You crazy |
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Post by lllRL on Feb 10, 2015 0:28:54 GMT -5
Did you test it in the firing range or private match? Apparently patches don't affect the firing range. EDIT: Just tested it myself. In private match it has almost no recoil even without a grip. It has much more recoil in the firing range. You crazy Can confirm the firing range lies. Took EPM3 into a private match, no grip. Held my controller in a way that would let me fire fast/comfortably with my middle finger at what was probably 720rpm. Almost literally zero recoil |
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Post by DidUknowiPwn on Feb 10, 2015 18:43:00 GMT -5
Can confirm the firing range lies. Took EPM3 into a private match, no grip. Held my controller in a way that would let me fire fast/comfortably with my middle finger at what was probably 720rpm. Almost literally zero recoil Talked about this before, for some reason the firing range is using some different weaponfiles than the ones loaded in match. |
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