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Post by Aphoristic on Jan 26, 2017 16:01:31 GMT -5
I didn't vote for him, but he's already exceeded expectations by killing TPP. Considering Hilary was going to kill it as well, wasn't the TPP doomed no matter who was going to become president? Definitely.
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Post by markopolo on Jan 26, 2017 16:05:32 GMT -5
Everything I saw in the election was that she flip and flopped on the issue, but in the end, flopped towards getting rid of it
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Jan 26, 2017 16:58:06 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 17:23:09 GMT -5
Hillary probably wanted to kill the TPP because it had incriminating evidence against her.
Also the wall is happening.
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Post by Aphoristic on Jan 26, 2017 18:02:09 GMT -5
Everything I saw in the election was that she flip and flopped on the issue, but in the end, flopped towards getting rid of it She flipped and flopped on everything. Hillary's consistency was saying whatever was popular opinion at the time. She never showed publicly what she really believed. I have no doubt that she would push through TPP. Do you need a more recently clip of her lying about saying TPP was the gold standard? That happened in a debate.
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Post by TheHawkNY on Jan 26, 2017 21:30:23 GMT -5
Hillary probably wanted to kill the TPP because it had incriminating evidence against her. Also the wall is happening. RE: The Wall Any assh ole can think about this for three seconds and figure out the purpose of the advance warning was so civilians could evacuate and we could avoid a catastrophe. But he can't apply the same logic to consider the ramifications of announcing intent to move forward with the wall without any actual plan for how it will be built or paid for?
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Post by Aphoristic on Jan 27, 2017 1:30:59 GMT -5
I mean it's not like he has no plan. Did you forget Trump has a certain free trade agreement that Mexico would hate to lose? It's not hard to see how Trump is going to try and force them to pay.
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Post by illram on Jan 27, 2017 2:35:34 GMT -5
Making Mexico's economy worse is probably not a good idea if your goal is reducing illegal immigration from Mexico.
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Post by markopolo on Jan 27, 2017 11:41:51 GMT -5
But the wall won't be built for the purpose of keeping illegal immigrants out of the USA.
That's the excuse for why it's being built. But that's not the walls purpose for it being built
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Post by Will on Jan 27, 2017 12:02:03 GMT -5
But the wall won't be built for the purpose of keeping illegal immigrants out of the USA. That's the excuse for why it's being built. But that's not the walls purpose for it being built zombies!
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Post by markopolo on Jan 27, 2017 12:07:32 GMT -5
Racist; Mexicans aren't zombies
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Post by illram on Jan 27, 2017 12:18:13 GMT -5
well sure but the idea is that if theres a big ass wall there then it wouldnt matter if more people wanted in, they couldnt but thats besides the point anyway. Even if the wall is successful, vast majority of illegal immigration comes from people overstaying work visas and shit. Not from border hoppers. Yeah that's the point. Immigration happens for economic reasons or to avoid conflict or social unrest. Build a big ass wall, maybe make it harder for people to just walk in (it's already difficult). But ruin the economy of Mexico in the process (not that it's a spring chicken right now), and you have a six in one hand half dozen in the other situation.
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Post by pachiderm on Jan 27, 2017 13:14:58 GMT -5
Racist; Mexicans aren't zombies They could be. Zombism doesn't discriminate.
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Post by Slick on Jan 27, 2017 13:41:34 GMT -5
Hey guise, it's undocumented immigration nao.
The wall itself is just an expensive public works project, and it may not even be that, depending on who builds it. The entire movement behind the erection of the wall was to make people feel better, like Viagra. I know I would prefer lighting that money on fire as that is essentially what we're going to do. At least it would more enjoyable. Has everyone forgotten about the northern border with Canada? Have you seen the border security along there? Non-existent in many places. There was a 60 minutes piece on it some time ago that I know you can find on Youtube. You do know that terrorists can survive the land full of neverending snow and igloo's, right? We've caught suspected terrorists crossing the Canadian border in the past. Where was the desire to erect a wall back then? Did you know that thousands of Canadians and Americans cross that border every day for economic reasons? The situation along the southern border is not so different. Americans do it for lower drug prices and Canadians can effectively earn a higher wage working in the United States and drive back across to their home in Canada. I bring this up because it is one of the pillars for this policy. Unfortunately, that pillar just crumbled.
It bothers me we're just so worried that a terrorist will sneak across the border with the Mexicans and willfully ignore the border of the north. I'm not saying it's wrong to screen for terrorists or to even have a border in the first place. However, national security is not why people voted for Trump whom has promised to erect the second great wall. There are two groups of people that voted for this wall: The economically depressed who think it'll help their quality of life and people that don't like Mexicans. I'm concerned the primary reason for this wall lies with the latter. If you belong to the first voter block, I want you to understand that you have made a grave mistake. You just voted in an administration that will expand corporate welfare and strip away or defund essential services to the working class and the poor.
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Post by Slick on Jan 27, 2017 14:11:49 GMT -5
Feel free to critique ANY other part of my post, it wasn't just about border security from terrorists.
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Post by Slick on Jan 27, 2017 14:33:52 GMT -5
Not an argument.
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Post by Aphoristic on Jan 27, 2017 16:49:32 GMT -5
None of you can comprehend Trump's game of 29 dimensional chess.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 17:26:46 GMT -5
I don't really think terrorism is as big a deal as people might think. Yes, government agencies are doing their gosh darn golly gee whiz hardest to nip terrorism in the bud, and it shows. In 2015 there have been 15,696 homicides in the USA. Americans are better at killing Americans than any sandy turban guy with an attitude www.fbi.gov/news/stories/latest-crime-statistics-released Only 98 have been killed or injured from terrorism (in general) that same year www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp255a.html. The only way terrorism can really do serious damage is if someone important was assaulted.... or 2759 important people at that. Now it'll be trickier quantifying the amount of economic damage that can be caused by illegal immigrants from the south. Devaluing labour, government money being siphoned, minus the amount of taxes paid, times the amount of years this has been happening... it's probably a butt load of money. Probably even enough to be a much bigger issue than terrorism right now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 3:09:26 GMT -5
President Trump ordered the borders closed off completely, and the Federal Court is having none of that. It's a mess right now. https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5qrh93/megathread_federal_court_overturns_president/
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Jan 30, 2017 16:10:59 GMT -5
LMAO People go to Reddit for politics?
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Post by blackbarney on Jan 30, 2017 16:15:29 GMT -5
hey some people still buy pornographic magazine for crissakes
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Post by illram on Jan 30, 2017 19:43:06 GMT -5
Herr Trump says nothing is amiss, everything is terrific, this is all Chuck Schumer's fault.
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Post by markopolo on Feb 1, 2017 11:18:20 GMT -5
Don't care if it's true or not or an alternative fact... I just like this meme/video
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Post by pachiderm on Feb 1, 2017 17:16:11 GMT -5
Here I was hoping I would never see another el risitas parody video
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 17:27:19 GMT -5
Yeah... that's a pretty old meme. Have some Kevin O'Leary talking about how Trudeau is disappointing everyone and how he's going to fix everything. It's an interesting watch. Keep in mind Trudeau offered an electoral reform that he immediately pulled out from recently. It made a lot of reps angry www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-electoral-reform-mandate-1.3961736. I know the names of some of the other conservative nominees announced to date, like Patrick Brown. EDIT: There are several mentions of Bill Davis. He was the premier of Ontario between 1971-1985, and is held in high regard by many people. I'm not sure why he's being referenced, and all I know is that he was a large proponent of funding both a Catholic and public school system alike. As far as I can tell many Conservatives are optimistic about his new approach to being a Tory.
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Post by markopolo on Feb 2, 2017 10:48:26 GMT -5
Here I was hoping I would never see another el risitas parody video Boooooo!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 18:26:16 GMT -5
Someone did the math and estimated that undocumented immigrants cost the average US household 715 USD/year, or about 66.5B USD/year. imgur.com/a/8D5Ok
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Post by Aphoristic on Mar 2, 2017 19:35:05 GMT -5
There's a lot of problems with that information. First off, their numbers are flat out wrong. Here is the Heritage Foundation's numbers. 49.5 billion is the actual total deficit, not 66.5 billion like your image says. The per tax unit would end up being $528.39, however that's all leaving out one important part. Here you'll see that 46.2% of revenue for the federal government is from income taxes. State and Local is even lower. So, that 528 number needs to be cut in at least half to represent what people are actually paying. 46.2% and 18.4%, weighted at about 2 to 1 in favor of Federal gives us $195.15 per person. And again there's so much left out still that these numbers all end up being relatively meaningless. However what your image presented is just blatantly false.
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Post by blackbarney on Mar 2, 2017 20:36:47 GMT -5
Also you can't put a price on the rub n tugs you can get in KoreaTown
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Post by TheHawkNY on Mar 2, 2017 22:21:52 GMT -5
The number of people living illegally in the US is also fairly stable, which means that the expense is not increasing. However, here are some things that would be tremendous supplemental expenses: building an enormous wall, restrictive import tariffs, the economic consequences of racist and isolationist policies.
Also, the people who want to see those 3.4 million people are generally those that are already receive more in benefits from the government than they pay in taxes. I feel comfortable speaking for white-collar coastal workers in saying that we're not really concerned with losing our jobs to illegal immegrants and have no interest in seeing them deported, despite the consequences to our tax bills. We are the "real Americans" that are actually paying a disproportionate share of taxes.
The president bragged about being worth 10 billion dollars and not having paid taxes. Taxes on the extremely wealthy are at a low point, and are far lower than any point in history that we have seen significant economic growth. Raising the taxes on billionaires will not have a negative impact on the economy. Anyone concerned about the impact of illegal immigrants on their tax bill would be much better served worrying about making the richest pay more instead.
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