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Post by dunsparceflinch on Nov 28, 2015 21:14:28 GMT -5
So driftor had that video on the HVK, and he got most of it right, but made two mistakes, one of which is minor and the other of which is major:
- 22 damage (long range) with a 1.1 headshot multiplier does NOT make headshots useful. 22 * 1.1 equals 24.2, so even if you get all headshots it will still take the same number of bullets to kill.
- The HVK being better at close range than other ARs has nothing to do with its very minor sprintout time reduction and everything to do with the fact that the HVK has SMG size hipfire spread, which he didn't even mention.
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Post by banana on Nov 28, 2015 22:23:56 GMT -5
And it's close range ttk isn't "mediocre". Drift0r's been slacking it lately
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Nov 28, 2015 22:29:01 GMT -5
4HK at 720 RPM is kinda Medicore for an AR. That's a 250ms TTK.
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Post by RageHulkSmash on Nov 29, 2015 2:18:02 GMT -5
It's the same ttk as the weevil, which I find to be mediocre.
Does anyone know if the HVK hip spread is the same as SMG or in between the two? According to Void's spreadsheet, ARs get a bigger bonus from laser sight than SMGs so the HVK might have the tightest spread with that attachment? And likewise for the Dingo?
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Nov 29, 2015 2:38:44 GMT -5
It's the same ttk as the weevil, which I find to be mediocre. Does anyone know if the HVK hip spread is the same as SMG or in between the two? According to Void's spreadsheet, ARs get a bigger bonus from laser sight than SMGs so the HVK might have the tightest spread with that attachment? And likewise for the Dingo? If the HVK hipfire isn't exactly SMG size then it's pretty damn close. And Dingo with laser sight is basically SMG size spread.
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Post by banana on Nov 29, 2015 10:48:32 GMT -5
4HK at 720 RPM is kinda Medicore for an AR. That's a 250ms TTK. It's faster than the icr's and faster than MoW's + Sheiva when factoring in ads
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Post by lllRL on Nov 30, 2015 16:39:48 GMT -5
How recently was this last updated? I just watched the ICR in-depth and apparently it only 4hks out to 19m, while the spreadsheet says 42m. I'm tempted to just totally forget what I heard from Drift0r but eh, idk
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Post by JustABitAgroed on Nov 30, 2015 16:53:58 GMT -5
How recently was this last updated? I just watched the ICR in-depth and apparently it only 4hks out to 19m, while the spreadsheet says 42m. I'm tempted to just totally forget what I heard from Drift0r but eh, idk Drift0r's info is likely more current. Regalia has to work off the information in the app which is rarely updated. Although the app says that the first range is 21m so, I really don't know.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 30, 2015 17:27:35 GMT -5
Does anyone know the RoF of L-CAR 9?
The spreadsheet mentioned above says "300", same as MR-6 and RK-5. I suspect that is a copy-and-paste error.
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Nov 30, 2015 17:57:31 GMT -5
How recently was this last updated? I just watched the ICR in-depth and apparently it only 4hks out to 19m, while the spreadsheet says 42m. I'm tempted to just totally forget what I heard from Drift0r but eh, idk Driftor must have gotten the 4HK range confused with the max damage range. ICR does 30 damage up to about 19m, then drops to 29 damage up to 42 meters, then drops to 22 damage. The only real difference between the 30 damage and 29 damage is that at the 29 damage range you have to get a headshot for a 1HK in hardcore. Everything else, including high caliber's effects, is exactly the same.
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Post by GodMars on Dec 1, 2015 0:17:03 GMT -5
How recently was this last updated? I just watched the ICR in-depth and apparently it only 4hks out to 19m, while the spreadsheet says 42m. I'm tempted to just totally forget what I heard from Drift0r but eh, idk I found his ICR review to be puzzling. A lot of horizontal recoil? Hard to get headshots? I wouldn't be surprised if the stats are off, because I have no idea what gun he's talking about. Certainly not the ICR.
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Dec 1, 2015 0:57:15 GMT -5
How recently was this last updated? I just watched the ICR in-depth and apparently it only 4hks out to 19m, while the spreadsheet says 42m. I'm tempted to just totally forget what I heard from Drift0r but eh, idk I found his ICR review to be puzzling. A lot of horizontal recoil? Hard to get headshots? I wouldn't be surprised if the stats are off, because I have no idea what gun he's talking about. Certainly not the ICR. He also keeps claiming that 1.1 headshot multiplier will help within 22 damage range when 22 * 1.1 is only 24.2 and thus even 4 headshots won't turn it from a 5HK to a 4Hk. He made this same mistake in his HVK review. So to recap: - He completely forgot to mention the hipfire bonus for the HVK - He incorrectly stated that normal headshots help for the HVK and ICR at long range - He got the 4HK range of the ICR mixed up with its max damage range - He got high-caliber wrong on every weapon except the Shieva (although the only differences between 1.5 and 1.6 is needing 2 headshots to benefit the 22 damage range and not being able to 3 headshot kill in the 22 damage range)
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Dec 1, 2015 2:11:57 GMT -5
He also suggests we use optics on weapons with excellent iron sights. But that technically, is not an "error."
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Post by GodMars on Dec 1, 2015 8:11:33 GMT -5
I guess it shouldn't be surprising that he's putting out some bad information with these videos, considering all of the outdated, wrong, or just plain confusing information that is coming out of that app.
Hell, I can't even get on his case for continuing to promote Grip when we still have Bros using it--even though we've pretty much proven it's tits on a bull right now.
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Post by GodMars on Dec 1, 2015 8:14:01 GMT -5
He also suggests we use optics on weapons with excellent iron sights. But that technically, is not an "error." That's very subjective. As someone who ran almost exclusively iron-only in the past, I can't hit squat with most of them in BO3.
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Post by Will on Dec 1, 2015 9:33:27 GMT -5
I guess it shouldn't be surprising that he's putting out some bad information with these videos, considering all of the outdated, wrong, or just plain confusing information that is coming out of that app. Hell, I can't even get on his case for continuing to promote Grip when we still have Bros using it--even though we've pretty much proven it's tits on a bull right now. But he has direct access to Marvel's sheet, he isn't doing his videos based on the app.
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Post by GodMars on Dec 1, 2015 9:45:33 GMT -5
I guess it shouldn't be surprising that he's putting out some bad information with these videos, considering all of the outdated, wrong, or just plain confusing information that is coming out of that app. Hell, I can't even get on his case for continuing to promote Grip when we still have Bros using it--even though we've pretty much proven it's tits on a bull right now. But he has direct access to Marvel's sheet, he isn't doing his videos based on the app. Is that confirmed? All i hear him talking about is the app.
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Dec 1, 2015 10:13:23 GMT -5
He also suggests we use optics on weapons with excellent iron sights. But that technically, is not an "error." Yeah that's subjective. It won't be subjective if he suggests that Recon sight's only affects are more zoom, lower ADS sensitivity, and a possible very minor recoil reduction, because objectively that is not all it does. And yes GodMars, his stats are based on a combination of hand testing and Marvel4's spreadsheet, which he got access to in his deal with BrassMonkeigh, and which makes his errors mostly baffling.
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Post by lustindarkness on Dec 1, 2015 10:41:05 GMT -5
He may be rushing his videos out and making stupid mistakes. Maybe he needs to slow down a bit and make better notes before recording his videos. Hope he reads this.
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Post by noscreenname on Dec 1, 2015 10:49:44 GMT -5
If this: m.imgur.com/gallery/KMnzx is accurate, then it looks like the grip isn't a bad choice on certain guns. LOL at that gorgon spread.
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Post by banana on Dec 1, 2015 12:35:46 GMT -5
Does anyone know the RoF of L-CAR 9? The spreadsheet mentioned above says "300", same as MR-6 and RK-5. I suspect that is a copy-and-paste error. somewhere around the hvk and kuda's. The app also says 300 for all of those
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Post by JustABitAgroed on Dec 1, 2015 15:15:21 GMT -5
But he has direct access to Marvel's sheet, he isn't doing his videos based on the app. Is that confirmed? All i hear him talking about is the app. That's because he's trying to push it as much as he can. IIRC I thought ChaosxSilencer had access to Marvel's spreadsheet as well (not that he's doing anything with it) but that may have just been a rumour. I'll have to read back through the thread and find it when I have the time. I'm quite sure that Drift0r has access to Marvel's work though. If he didn't then he wouldn't know the exact (not hand tested) burst delay stats.
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Post by GodMars on Dec 1, 2015 17:18:31 GMT -5
Drift0r just tweeted about his mistake. Just misread the columns.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 17:35:50 GMT -5
Attachments statistics are directly from Den Kirson source. (you can probably guess who) -- Weapons are directly from Brass Monkeigh's application but are being updated with information Drift0r dishes out because Brass Monkeigh is too incompetent to copy and paste numbers correctly.
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Dec 1, 2015 17:53:24 GMT -5
Drift0r just tweeted about his mistake. Just misread the columns. He said he made 2 big mistakes. Obviously one of those is the magazine size. I'm guessing the other is the ADS time. I'm also skeptical about the Man-O-War even having a hipfire spread penalty.
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Post by illram on Dec 1, 2015 18:40:09 GMT -5
So is the spreadsheet the other guys put out accurate, the one with the nice little pictures of the guns, or is that also just rehashing the brass monkeigh app stuff? I thought they had their own access to Marvel's data or whatever.
Are we back to the dark ages of what guns "feel better"?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 18:44:45 GMT -5
illram, the weapon data is from BrassMonkeigh but we update it as we can for accurate data. You can notice by checking out his snipers category and the one I have up. Look at the RPMs of them for example.
Attachments are completely Den Kirson data. No BrassMonkeigh involved in that. Experience Chart, Den Kirson / Affiliate data. Patch Notes, Den Kirson data.
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Post by illram on Dec 1, 2015 18:44:48 GMT -5
Awesome, thanks for clarifying.
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Post by GodMars on Dec 1, 2015 18:46:35 GMT -5
So is the spreadsheet the other guys put out accurate, the one with the nice little pictures of the guns, or is that also just rehashing the brass monkeigh app stuff? I thought they had their own access to Marvel's data or whatever. Are we back to the dark ages of what guns "feel better"? Whatever guns any given person has more success with will always be the correct choice for them. TTK isn't the end all, be all. And yes, it's accurate.
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