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Post by dklurker on Nov 10, 2015 2:59:33 GMT -5
What if the silencer affects damage profile, rather than range profile? It could explain why we are seeing some ridiculous things like ranges dropping by >80% on some weapons I felt the same way during the beta. The amount of range loss was significant enough to make me think it outright lowered damage. I think I have enough data from the LMGs and Handguns. Edit: LMG/Handgun/Update Data LMG BRM: 40-30 Dingo: 30-22 Gorgon: 50-49 (Not entirely sure this is correct) 48 Dredge: 30-24 Handgun MR6: 40-29-22 RK5: 40-29-22-19 L-CAR9: 40-29-22-19 Update: Kuda: 35-28-20-19 Pharo: 35-25-20-19 Razorback: 30-20-19 General: Someone a few posts up had said the Kuda and Razorback were 6HK at very long distance. It seems it has a difference of 1 point from the 5HK damage, and I have confirmed that they do, for some reason, end with a 6HK. A few times damage numbers have deviated up or down by 1 point. I ran a few tests with assault rifles looking for middle numbers, such as something between the 40 and 28 on the KN-44, but have found little to support it. I did, however, manage to achieve a 39 start and 29 end damage on the KN while testing for that middle range with nothing in between. I'm not sure what is happening with that. |
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Post by Will on Nov 10, 2015 3:33:58 GMT -5
Silly question, but are you taking potential body multipliers into consideration? Maybe they've changed them up drastically from previous titles, such as giving different chest and stomach multipliers to everything.
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Post by dklurker on Nov 10, 2015 3:44:22 GMT -5
Silly question, but are you taking potential body multipliers into consideration? Maybe they've changed them up drastically from previous titles, such as giving different chest and stomach multipliers to everything. As far as I know, a huge majority of my data has come from shots to the upper chest, with the other player looking upwards to avoid hitting the limbs. If I think there is an error or misplaced shot I will retest it 2-3 more times to ensure I achieve the same numbers again. I don't have the time to check for different multipliers at the moment, but it's possible the Sheiva and Gorgon might have them given the huge damage numbers they both have. I honestly hadn't considered there being any form of upper chest/stomach multipliers. I'm only doing this to give a rough estimate, the same others are doing with range and RPM, and none of this is 100% factual until the official data is pulled from the game. (Whenever the hell that will be.) Edit: It might be entirely possible that different multipliers are affecting the outcome of my testing. It could explain how I'm getting the deviation downwards/upwards of 1 damage. If anyone reading this has done their own form of damage testing, feel free to tell me how/why it is wrong or add on to what I have collected so far. |
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Post by roadwarrior on Nov 10, 2015 11:07:58 GMT -5
Do you think maybe the ARs have a three-value damage profile? From playing a lot in Hard core (30 health), I can say that the KN-44 and HVK-30 actually have very similar 1hk ranges, and the ICR-1 has the worst (worse than the SMGs), so it definitely doesn't do 30 damage to 38m. Also the Kuda definitely has the longest 1hk range in HC, but this data implies that it has the shortest (5m) I am wondering the exact same thing ICR is poop in H C, Kuda has crazy 1hk range. Ive seen silenced Kudas get pretty great 1hk's also. |
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Post by roadwarrior on Nov 10, 2015 11:28:46 GMT -5
Update: Kuda: 35-28-20-19 Pharo: 35-25-20-19 Razorback: 30-20-19 This still doesn't explain the Kudas 1hk range though, unless i'm missing something... Maybe people are just hitting mildly damaged opponents? |
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Post by Pope Leo VII on Nov 10, 2015 12:12:07 GMT -5
Trying to wrap my head around these stats..
Can someone explain why ARS, LMGS are melting me at close range despite using and SMG
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Post by imrlybord7 on Nov 10, 2015 12:58:09 GMT -5
Update: Kuda: 35-28-20-19 Pharo: 35-25-20-19 Razorback: 30-20-19 This still doesn't explain the Kudas 1hk range though, unless i'm missing something... Maybe people are just hitting mildly damaged opponents? I don't think so. In HC you get tons of One Shot One Kill medals but only against targets that had full health. Killing damaged players doesn't give you the medal. |
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Post by banana on Nov 10, 2015 13:57:27 GMT -5
Trying to wrap my head around these stats.. Can someone explain why ARS, LMGS are melting me at close range despite using and SMG They shouldn't unless you're using the weevil. Maybe it's your connection? |
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Post by farixis on Nov 10, 2015 13:59:39 GMT -5
Could anyone test the RoF on the shotguns? Curious how the Brecci stacks up to the Haymaker. It has a more consistent 2sk range, but I'm not sure where it falls rof wise.
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Post by roadwarrior on Nov 10, 2015 15:22:31 GMT -5
Could anyone test the RoF on the shotguns? Curious how the Brecci stacks up to the Haymaker. It has a more consistent 2sk range, but I'm not sure where it falls rof wise. I don't know the numbers but I made a class with both and tried every setting on my auto controller to make the brecci fire full auto, but it was significantly slower than the haymaker. |
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Post by wantonRULE on Nov 10, 2015 16:15:08 GMT -5
Is the weevil that bad? I know it's early but does it have any other niche then the big mag?
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Post by vcarnage on Nov 10, 2015 18:35:51 GMT -5
Huge Thermal issue that I have not seen any reaction to.
I primarily use the Gorgon (2 shot to 127m)
I put Thermal on it and its randomly 3 shots.... I clearly hear the 3 hit markers as well.
I know i am within distance because i primarily was using it in Nuk3town.
I have had other friends try it on Gorgon and Dredge with same result. Often needed 1 more bullet to kill.
Whats wrong here?
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Post by roadwarrior on Nov 10, 2015 18:45:20 GMT -5
Huge Thermal issue that I have not seen any reaction to. I primarily use the Gorgon (2 shot to 127m) I put Thermal on it and its randomly 3 shots.... I clearly hear the 3 hit markers as well. I know i am within distance because i primarily was using it in Nuk3town. I have had other friends try it on Gorgon and Dredge with same result. Often needed 1 more bullet to kill. Whats wrong here? WTF? well I'm using it on HC with a thermal, and its still one shot across the western map through a wall so i'm not noticing any difference. That sucks for core players though. |
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Post by dklurker on Nov 10, 2015 19:49:13 GMT -5
For those with questions about the Kuda. After retesting it a few minutes ago I have achieved new data.
Kuda: 35-30-23-20-19
This was without a suppressor.
Edit: After testing it again with a suppressor it retained the same data. Hm. Two values have changed since I tested near release day.
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Post by dklurker on Nov 10, 2015 19:56:59 GMT -5
I tried the Gorgon with thermal and wasn't able to achieve a 3HK unless the other player exceeded the supposed 127m range.
Side note: There have been multiple game settings updates. Does anyone think those could have an influence on weapon data or is that only possible through a patch/title update? Data I was achieving before was consistent and I ran tests multiple times to get the data I had, but now values have changed.
For those wondering; I do all of my testing and experimentation on the PlayStation 4. I can't confirm similar issues/changes on other platforms.
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Post by ksms on Nov 10, 2015 21:01:24 GMT -5
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Post by banana on Nov 10, 2015 21:35:34 GMT -5
Can someone put the stats on a spreadsheet, I'm on android
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Post by Will on Nov 10, 2015 22:51:00 GMT -5
Good for Marvel, it's about time he gets some damn money for all his work.
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Post by Will on Nov 10, 2015 22:53:40 GMT -5
For those with questions about the Kuda. After retesting it a few minutes ago I have achieved new data. Kuda: 35-30-23-20-19 This was without a suppressor. Edit: After testing it again with a suppressor it retained the same data. Hm. Two values have changed since I tested near release day. 5 values now? Okay I think this pretty much confirms that the damage is a sloped dropoff, like in COD4, rather than an instant dropoff. |
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Post by dklurker on Nov 10, 2015 23:44:45 GMT -5
For those with questions about the Kuda. After retesting it a few minutes ago I have achieved new data. Kuda: 35-30-23-20-19 This was without a suppressor. Edit: After testing it again with a suppressor it retained the same data. Hm. Two values have changed since I tested near release day. 5 values now? Okay I think this pretty much confirms that the damage is a sloped dropoff, like in COD4, rather than an instant dropoff. I don't know what's going on. I'm having issues with my game. If the game data has been pulled already I don't need to keep trying to figure out damages. |
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Nov 11, 2015 0:13:45 GMT -5
For those with questions about the Kuda. After retesting it a few minutes ago I have achieved new data. Kuda: 35-30-23-20-19 This was without a suppressor. Edit: After testing it again with a suppressor it retained the same data. Hm. Two values have changed since I tested near release day. 5 values now? Okay I think this pretty much confirms that the damage is a sloped dropoff, like in COD4, rather than an instant dropoff. If I recall correctly, there was room in BO2 for something like 5 values as well. Of course, they never actually used more than 4. |
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Post by JustABitAgroed on Nov 11, 2015 5:37:50 GMT -5
PSA: The app doesn't work on PC, only iPhone and iPod (and iPad sort of). Thanks Brass Monkeigh, you guys are the best. Guess it was time to get a new phone anyway.
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Post by Will on Nov 11, 2015 5:42:46 GMT -5
I'd much prefer to just Paypal the $5 directly to Marvel4iphones are the devil |
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Post by JustABitAgroed on Nov 11, 2015 5:45:02 GMT -5
I'd much prefer to just Paypal the $5 directly to Marvel4iphones are the devil Did he ever have a tip jar or anything like that? I would have filled that puppy up had it existed. |
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Post by JustABitAgroed on Nov 11, 2015 5:54:53 GMT -5
What if the silencer affects damage profile, rather than range profile? It could explain why we are seeing some ridiculous things like ranges dropping by >80% on some weapons I felt the same way during the beta. The amount of range loss was significant enough to make me think it outright lowered damage. I think I have enough data from the LMGs and Handguns. Edit: LMG/Handgun/Update Data LMG BRM: 40-30 Dingo: 30-22 Gorgon: 50-49 (Not entirely sure this is correct) 48 Dredge: 30-24 Handgun MR6: 40-29-22 RK5: 40-29-22-19 L-CAR9: 40-29-22-19 Update: Kuda: 35-28-20-19 Pharo: 35-25-20-19 Razorback: 30-20-19 General: Someone a few posts up had said the Kuda and Razorback were 6HK at very long distance. It seems it has a difference of 1 point from the 5HK damage, and I have confirmed that they do, for some reason, end with a 6HK. A few times damage numbers have deviated up or down by 1 point. I ran a few tests with assault rifles looking for middle numbers, such as something between the 40 and 28 on the KN-44, but have found little to support it. I did, however, manage to achieve a 39 start and 29 end damage on the KN while testing for that middle range with nothing in between. I'm not sure what is happening with that. According to Drift0r's app the Kuda, Pharo, and Razorback are all 5 BTK max. Minimum damage for each is 20, 24, 24 respectively. There are no weird body multipliers either. *slams head against the desk* Forgive me for being skeptical lurker but at what approximate range did the guns drop down to 6 bullet kills and did you record any proof of such? |
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Post by dklurker on Nov 11, 2015 6:10:29 GMT -5
I felt the same way during the beta. The amount of range loss was significant enough to make me think it outright lowered damage. I think I have enough data from the LMGs and Handguns. Edit: LMG/Handgun/Update Data LMG BRM: 40-30 Dingo: 30-22 Gorgon: 50-49 (Not entirely sure this is correct) 48 Dredge: 30-24 Handgun MR6: 40-29-22 RK5: 40-29-22-19 L-CAR9: 40-29-22-19 Update: Kuda: 35-28-20-19 Pharo: 35-25-20-19 Razorback: 30-20-19 General: Someone a few posts up had said the Kuda and Razorback were 6HK at very long distance. It seems it has a difference of 1 point from the 5HK damage, and I have confirmed that they do, for some reason, end with a 6HK. A few times damage numbers have deviated up or down by 1 point. I ran a few tests with assault rifles looking for middle numbers, such as something between the 40 and 28 on the KN-44, but have found little to support it. I did, however, manage to achieve a 39 start and 29 end damage on the KN while testing for that middle range with nothing in between. I'm not sure what is happening with that. According to Drift0r's app the Kuda, Pharo, and Razorback are all 5 BTK max. Minimum damage for each is 20, 24, 24 respectively. There are no weird body multipliers either. *slams head against the desk* Forgive me for being skeptical lurker but at what approximate range did the guns drop down to 6 bullet kills and did you record any proof of such? I'm not sure what the approximate range was, but it was pretty gosh darn golly gee whiz far, to the point of being unsure how where shots land on another player. I've been having many, many issues with my digital version of the game, along with many inconsistencies. I won't be updating or changing any data from here on. I'll be waiting for the correct information to be posted. (If anyone is kind enough to share the information from the app, as I don't have an iPhone) Edit: As I had posted earlier in the thread, I have experienced a few deviations of damage upwards/downwards of 1 point. It might have been that sort of issue with the data. Given how inconsistent it has been lately, I don't see a reason to waste time testing for wrong data. I think someone with more experience doing this sort of thing should make a spreadsheet with more accurate information. |
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Post by JustABitAgroed on Nov 11, 2015 6:14:28 GMT -5
Sooo, the graphs are interesting: m.imgur.com/k0Nz3YPShould I post pictures of all of them here or in a separate topic? |
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Post by dklurker on Nov 11, 2015 6:16:19 GMT -5
Does the damage slope off quickly or is it abrupt? It might explain the weird numbers I was getting. |
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Post by JustABitAgroed on Nov 11, 2015 6:19:02 GMT -5
Does the damage slope off quickly or is it abrupt? It might explain the weird numbers I was getting. It would appear to slope off very quickly but that isn't consistent with any of the testing. At this point I'm assuming the graphs are simply wrong. |
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Post by dklurker on Nov 11, 2015 6:22:31 GMT -5
Does the damage slope off quickly or is it abrupt? It might explain the weird numbers I was getting. It would appear to slope off very quickly but that isn't consistent with any of the testing. At this point I'm assuming the graphs are simply wrong. The graph has to be wrong. It's saying that the Kuda should be a OHK against a 35 health enemy up to 50 meters, with the suppressor making a minimal impact to the range. That's just not right at all. It doesn't show the medium range damage either. It doesn't just drop from 36 to 20. At least it shouldn't. I have for a fact achieved damages in between 36-20, and not from the sudden damage slope. The damage model for that doesn't make sense to me. |
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