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Post by rogergaming on Nov 22, 2015 6:03:59 GMT -5
Kinda feels that way.
HVK-30 completely outclasses it, sameish recoil and faster fire rate. Slap on Foregrip or Long Barrel on HVK-30 and you can delete the ICR-1 from the game. I know it's a small issue in the grand scheme of things, but some balance decisions really baffle me.
Why bother with other SMGs when you have the Pharo/VMP?
Why bother with other LMGs when you have the 48 Dredge?
Why bother with other ARs when you have the M8A7/HVK-30?
I find an almost uncanny pattern, burst weapons are actually the dominate subclass in their weapon class. Even the P-06 is a damn good weapon.
All in all, don't want to sound like I'm whining. I really like the weapons and their variety.
Game seems fun for now, only wish they included more maps in FFA (they cut out 4 entire maps because apparently we're too dumdum to vote skip them).
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Post by GodMars on Nov 22, 2015 8:39:39 GMT -5
1. The recoil on the HVK is nothing like the ICR
2. The Grip is next to useless and should never be used
3. You didn't read the forum rules
0/10, would not fuck again
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Post by banana on Nov 22, 2015 11:15:59 GMT -5
Yes it's super, duper lame. Btw your "Why bother with the other ARs... M8a7/HVK-30" should be XR-2/MoW/HVK
and I use grip still
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Post by banana on Nov 22, 2015 11:18:01 GMT -5
Yes it's super, duper lame. Btw your "Why bother with the other ARs... M8a7/HVK-30" should be XR-2/MoW/HVK
and I use grip still. The vesper is also high tier for SMGs but not on the same level as the VMP. The Pharo is on a completely higher tier than those 2 though.
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Post by GodMars on Nov 22, 2015 11:39:07 GMT -5
Yes it's super, duper lame. Btw your "Why bother with the other ARs... M8a7/HVK-30" should be XR-2/MoW/HVK and I use grip still. The vesper is also high tier for SMGs but not on the same level as the VMP. The Pharo is on a completely higher tier than those 2 though. 1. You double posted 2. You hated on the ICR 3. You use Grip 0/10, would not fellate a banana again |
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 22, 2015 11:40:21 GMT -5
The vesper is also high tier for SMGs but not on the same level as the VMP. The VMP is somewhat better out of the box(Free big ammo) but the Vesper is potentially better. Also the Vesper is the MW3 MP7 on PC, no recoil full auto across longest slight lines for days. |
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Post by Will on Nov 22, 2015 12:27:21 GMT -5
Anything that isn't the Judge Dredge 48000 is useless to me
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Post by illram on Nov 22, 2015 13:06:59 GMT -5
I don't understand how one uses the P06. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I like my gun to shoot when I pull the trigger, not charge for half a second.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 22, 2015 14:43:48 GMT -5
I don't understand how one uses the P06. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I like my gun to shoot when I pull the trigger, not charge for half a second. You soundwhore and prempt your shot. You have to lead on moving targets however but it should be EzPz with sticky aim. |
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Post by banana on Nov 22, 2015 21:39:00 GMT -5
The vesper is also high tier for SMGs but not on the same level as the VMP. The VMP is somewhat better out of the box(Free big ammo) but the Vesper is potentially better. Also the Vesper is the MW3 MP7 on PC, no recoil full auto across longest slight lines for days. Vesper is my new favorite auto, compared the 2's recoil on many wall tests. Same vertical recoil except the VMP's shoots at a 45 degree angle aka diagonally while the Vesper is just straight up aka 90 degree angle. So significant difference imo |
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Post by roadwarrior on Nov 23, 2015 11:50:36 GMT -5
In H C the ICR is poop, worst 1 hit kill range of any AR, might aswell use a SMG. Dingo is far better than the dredge in H C, but I'm absolutely loving the pharo.
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Post by esupin on Nov 23, 2015 16:11:30 GMT -5
The VMP is somewhat better out of the box(Free big ammo) but the Vesper is potentially better. Also the Vesper is the MW3 MP7 on PC, no recoil full auto across longest slight lines for days. Vesper is my new favorite auto, compared the 2's recoil on many wall tests. Same vertical recoil except the VMP's shoots at a 45 degree angle aka diagonally while the Vesper is just straight up aka 90 degree angle. So significant difference imo The biggest thing the VMP has going for it is the extra ammo capacity. Often, with the Vesper, I find myself not having enough bullets to kill a second enemy. But otherwise, the Vesper rocks. |
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Post by Lexapro on Nov 25, 2015 2:25:52 GMT -5
No I have seen the light. ICR is love, ICR is life. You can't compare the HVK grip with even the base ICR. The faster rate of fire doesn't make a difference when the ICR never misses.
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Post by JustABitAgroed on Nov 25, 2015 6:23:49 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that it's useless but for the long range role that it's meant to excel at, it's rather outclassed by the M8. I would consider it to be better than the HVK but then again, the only full auto AR that I find to be useful is the KN-44. I'm not sure whether the viewkick was changed from beta to release on the MOW but it feels like the recoil is a little too inconsistent/uncontrollable to be effective at medium to longer ranges and because of that I feel as though the KN is the only full auto AR left with a niche where it truly dominates (Personally I like it even more because you don't feel like you're neutering yourself if you slap a Suppressor on it which is a pretty rare quality in this game).
As for the SMGs, I find most of them to be pretty balanced. There isn't a single SMG that I feel like I couldn't do well with if I played to its strengths. I personally really like the Kuda and Weevil because I like my SMGs to be at least somewhat accurate. The Vesper's pretty good too but there's really no reason to use it over the VMP.
Same story for the LMGs except for the Dingo. I love the BRM and I'm fairly sure it's my most used gun so far alongside the KN. The Gorgon is still good although I think it's lost a lot of its effectiveness from the viewkick nerf. Unfortunately the Dingo just feels like it has too many disadvantages to be considered a good weapon. I would like for them to bump the RPM up to 900 and increase the reload speed a little bit.
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Nov 25, 2015 9:43:53 GMT -5
People talk about increased recoil on ze gorgon. Funny, I didn't know it had recoil after the nurf.
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Post by Will on Nov 25, 2015 9:44:51 GMT -5
Any buffs to the Dingo will make me smile because it is already the best automatic in hardcore
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Nov 25, 2015 10:48:02 GMT -5
Dingo is very QBB in that it has low damage, high fire rate, and moderate recoil. Unlike the QBB though, the Dingo has AR sized hipfire spread and a fast ADS time for an LMG, so while it doesn't have as much TTK advantage as the Gorgon, Dredge, or BRM, it also has less downsides than those LMGs.
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Post by JustABitAgroed on Nov 26, 2015 1:34:32 GMT -5
Dingo is very QBB in that it has low damage, high fire rate, and moderate recoil. Unlike the QBB though, the Dingo has AR sized hipfire spread and a fast ADS time for an LMG, so while it doesn't have as much TTK advantage as the Gorgon, Dredge, or BRM, it also has less downsides than those LMGs. Marvel said that the ADS time was not buffed so it should still be the same 350ms as the other LMGs. Not sure about the hipsread. |
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Nov 26, 2015 14:35:15 GMT -5
Dingo is very QBB in that it has low damage, high fire rate, and moderate recoil. Unlike the QBB though, the Dingo has AR sized hipfire spread and a fast ADS time for an LMG, so while it doesn't have as much TTK advantage as the Gorgon, Dredge, or BRM, it also has less downsides than those LMGs. Marvel said that the ADS time was not buffed so it should still be the same 350ms as the other LMGs. Not sure about the hipsread. Weird, I assumed it was true because the more reputable spreadsheet had the ADS buff. I can definitely say for a fact though that the Dingo has AR sized spread. Slap a laser sight on it and it becomes even SMG tight. |
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Post by Marvel4 on Nov 26, 2015 20:55:20 GMT -5
Marvel said that the ADS time was not buffed so it should still be the same 350ms as the other LMGs. Not sure about the hipsread. The Dingo's ADS time is 333 ms and was not increased, unlike the ADS time of the other LMGs. |
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Post by JustABitAgroed on Nov 27, 2015 0:30:47 GMT -5
Marvel said that the ADS time was not buffed so it should still be the same 350ms as the other LMGs. Not sure about the hipsread. The Dingo's ADS time is 333 ms and was not increased, unlike the ADS time of the other LMGs. Just how old is the information on the app anyway? I haven't checked it in a few days and I understand the update approval period that Apple has but at this point I'm just impressed that BM has managed to mess up this bad. Sorry, rambling. Once again, thanks a million for your help Marvel. |
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