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Post by kylet357 on Dec 21, 2017 13:16:03 GMT -5
I hope the LMG buff is a buff to their ADS movement speed when firing.
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Post by banana on Dec 21, 2017 13:21:48 GMT -5
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Post by qupie on Dec 21, 2017 13:47:26 GMT -5
I hope the LMG buff is a buff to their ADS movement speed when firing. You mean like the infantry perk? Yeah probably not going to happen. |
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Dec 21, 2017 13:57:57 GMT -5
Patch is live, FG RoF decreased by ~15%. It's literally below 500rpm now, completely unusable. That's 4 of my permanent unlocks nerfed out of the game now, lol. The combat shotgun buff looks ok, it probably needs more but generally a step in the right direction.
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Post by qupie on Dec 21, 2017 14:18:46 GMT -5
Ok this app is useless. I find any info faster and more concise on youtube. Additionally, the complete ignorance to give us a clear spreadsheet to compare guns makes me extra salty to have spend money. I am done. Will post a complete spreadsheet pretty soon when I get the time for it (might never happen but I will try) so nobody has to buy it.
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Post by godzilla on Dec 21, 2017 16:54:59 GMT -5
I hope the LMG buff is a buff to their ADS movement speed when firing. You mean like the infantry perk? Yeah probably not going to happen. Stock on LMGs in WW2 is like BO3 Stock for LMGs: your strafe speed slows to a halt when firing. I'm not happy with pro players being the primary factor in SHG's balancing for public matches. Pro players have now gotten the BAR, Machine Pistol, and FG nerfed. I get why they were calling for a nerf: the FG outgunning SMGs at SMG ranges in a game that's already AR dominant was a bridge too far for them. But competitive fundamentally plays different from the community at-large, and the community was begging for SMG buffs, esp. a sprint-out time reduction. Lewis adjustments were strange since I didn't think it needed any adjustments. It was quietly top-tier and with FMJ and Lookout, it was my best counter to snipers. Rest assured that it will never be touched after this because LMGs are banned from competitive. |
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Post by I Am Hollywood5 on Dec 21, 2017 20:19:55 GMT -5
Ok this app is useless. I find any info faster and more concise on youtube. Additionally, the complete ignorance to give us a clear spreadsheet to compare guns makes me extra salty to have spend money. I am done. Will post a complete spreadsheet pretty soon when I get the time for it (might never happen but I will try) so nobody has to buy it. Well, the data is pulled from the PC version and I'm not sure the weapon balancing actually went through on PC. They claim its now live on PC, and there was an updated when I started it up today, but I just tested the FG42 and I can confirm that the RoF has NOT changed on PC, still fires at 517. Not sure about any of the other weapons, that was the only one I tested. (So... I'm gonna use the ever-living fu ck out of the FG42 until that nerf goes through and makes it useless)  |
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Post by qupie on Dec 22, 2017 4:50:42 GMT -5
Hmm that makes sense... I was maybe a little bit oversalty. But still, kinda salty. Heh.
FG will still have a place imho on console in PUBs. Competitively absolutely not though. On PC the semi-autos will probably take place for long range firefight (which is actually pretty cool, snipers though...)
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Post by qupie on Dec 22, 2017 5:46:28 GMT -5
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Post by banana on Dec 22, 2017 12:40:47 GMT -5
The STG kills faster than the FG, the FG is nothing now
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Post by I Am Hollywood5 on Dec 23, 2017 13:00:32 GMT -5
The STG kills faster than the FG, the FG is nothing now Yeah I don’t get it. It is literally the definition of useless now. SHG’s incompetence at weapon balance is sadly nothing new though. I don’t think it was OP but if anything they could have reduced the 3HK range a little bit instead. Also, their “buffs” to the Thompson and MP40 were a joke, the main weakness of those guns was too much random recoil, not RoF. Now the higher RoF just makes the recoil ridiculous. Would have made much more sense to simply reduce recoil. |
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Post by banana on Dec 23, 2017 18:08:28 GMT -5
I would have accepted a 5% rof nerf on the FG.
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Post by banana on Dec 24, 2017 15:54:13 GMT -5
Is the app updated with the patch yet?
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Post by kylet357 on Dec 24, 2017 16:25:04 GMT -5
Is the app updated with the patch yet?  |
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Post by mattwolf on Dec 25, 2017 22:08:25 GMT -5
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Post by Usagi on Dec 26, 2017 1:31:15 GMT -5
woohoo finally, im used to the range being in units tho rather than meters so thats kinda throwing me off
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Post by banana on Dec 27, 2017 15:03:46 GMT -5
Why is there no info on what advanced rifling does to pistols? Not in the attachment tabs or the graphs for pistols.
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Post by brassmonkeigh on Dec 29, 2017 15:45:10 GMT -5
Just to update everyone, the explanation below is correct. Even though it has been a week since this patch went live on console, it has not made it to PC yet. Even though the latest patch on Steam shows weapon changes in the patch notes, they were not actually put into the game, so the stats are still the same. The best explanation Marvel and I can come up with is this was a mistake due to it being right before the holidays and will likely be fixed soon. I will continue to keep an eye out for the next PC patch and update accordingly. Well, the data is pulled from the PC version and I'm not sure the weapon balancing actually went through on PC. They claim its now live on PC, and there was an updated when I started it up today, but I just tested the FG42 and I can confirm that the RoF has NOT changed on PC, still fires at 517. Not sure about any of the other weapons, that was the only one I tested. (So... I'm gonna use the ever-living fu ck out of the FG42 until that nerf goes through and makes it useless) |
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Post by -3055- on Jan 1, 2018 11:20:58 GMT -5
Ok this app is useless. I find any info faster and more concise on youtube. Additionally, the complete ignorance to give us a clear spreadsheet to compare guns makes me extra salty to have spend money. I am done. Will post a complete spreadsheet pretty soon when I get the time for it (might never happen but I will try) so nobody has to buy it. Do WW2 shotguns not have the same base damage/pellet damage mechanic as bo3? |
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Post by Usagi on Jan 1, 2018 13:08:29 GMT -5
they do
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Post by -3055- on Jan 1, 2018 15:25:44 GMT -5
then why did he say you need 3 pellets close range? wasn't the combat shotgun 2 damage per pellet with a 98 base damage?
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Post by thexclusiveace on Jan 1, 2018 16:14:37 GMT -5
then why did he say you need 3 pellets close range? wasn't the combat shotgun 2 damage per pellet with a 98 base damage? The base damage up close on the Combat Shotgun is 94 in WW2 with 2 damage per pellet which means 3 pellets to kill. It's the same style as BO3 but with different values. |
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Post by -3055- on Jan 1, 2018 17:02:30 GMT -5
ohhh i misread mattwolf's spreadsheet ok sorry
So even with BO3's style of shotgun damage mechanic, shotguns are still terribly inconsistent.
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Post by JustABitAgroed on Jan 1, 2018 17:53:05 GMT -5
Ok this app is useless. I find any info faster and more concise on youtube. Additionally, the complete ignorance to give us a clear spreadsheet to compare guns makes me extra salty to have spend money. I am done. Will post a complete spreadsheet pretty soon when I get the time for it (might never happen but I will try) so nobody has to buy it. I know I've been guilty of this but, come on man, it's the third year. If you didn't what you were buying then I don't know what to tell you. |
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Jan 1, 2018 17:53:24 GMT -5
ohhh i misread mattwolf's spreadsheet ok sorry So even with BO3's style of shotgun damage mechanic, shotguns are still terribly inconsistent. At least post-buff the combat shotgun is inconsistent at a further distance? I'm pretty sure everyone who actually used a shotgun would rather have 98 base damage for sure. |
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Post by -3055- on Jan 1, 2018 19:16:24 GMT -5
oh so i didn't misread it??? it used to be 98 base damage and now it's 94??? yeah i'd very much rather have the old damage profile back in that case
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Jan 1, 2018 23:57:14 GMT -5
oh so i didn't misread it??? it used to be 98 base damage and now it's 94??? yeah i'd very much rather have the old damage profile back in that case No, the one in ww2 has always been 94 base damage in its closest damage range. The buff just extended how long that closest damage range is, making it possible to get one shot kills at a greater distance (specifically at the ranges that used to require all 8 pellets to kill, which never happened due to spread, but now can since you only need 3) while doing nothing about the infuriating melee distance hitmarkers that you'll get due to unlucky spread sometimes. |
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Post by -3055- on Jan 2, 2018 0:52:49 GMT -5
yeah i misread your post too lol ok same page now
sawed off sucks. I'm just gonna stick to combat and toggle
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Post by kylet357 on Jan 2, 2018 3:12:26 GMT -5
The buff just extended how long that closest damage range is, making it possible to get one shot kills at a greater distance (specifically at the ranges that used to require all 8 pellets to kill, which never happened due to spread, but now can since you only need 3) while doing nothing about the infuriating melee distance hitmarkers that you'll get due to unlucky spread sometimes. It changed the 2nd damage range from an 8 to a 4 pellet kill, not 3. It's much more consistent at further distances but the close range inconsistency of the 3 pellet kill wasn't really fixed. |
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Post by qupie on Jan 2, 2018 8:50:35 GMT -5
Ok this app is useless. I find any info faster and more concise on youtube. Additionally, the complete ignorance to give us a clear spreadsheet to compare guns makes me extra salty to have spend money. I am done. Will post a complete spreadsheet pretty soon when I get the time for it (might never happen but I will try) so nobody has to buy it. I know I've been guilty of this but, come on man, it's the third year. If you didn't what you were buying then I don't know what to tell you. Well I haven't really played a lot of COD the past years, my last big COD was ghosts. And honestly, it is getting quite stale already again  Playing a lot of Fortnite right now. Thing is, I don't mind giving Marvel some (indirect) money, I don't even mind giving anybody else some small money for their efforts like creating an app. I do however care about somebody who tries to sell a product ignoring questions on one side, for (paranoid) personal benefits at cost of the value of the product itself (aka; making the app and stats more clear in one view which will probably make it easier to leak). But to some extend, you are right. I know what I was getting into. But does that mean I can't be disappointed either way? I am a stat nerd, I want to know them. |
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