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Post by mw2baller on Nov 30, 2012 20:06:21 GMT -5
k which is better? I've tried using both in combat practice and noted that the KSG is much better at range but suffers up close, while the M870 had a more linear deterioration where it was great up close, ok at mid range, then shit at long.
Then I tried playing a couple games online and holy shit does the M870 suck. I dunno if it was lag but I was ADSing down 3 meter corridors and getting hitmarkers.
So here's a question, at mid range (for shotguns) is the ksg better than the m870? If hipfiring, what's the chance that the ksg slug will hit compared to the chance the m870 will osk?
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Post by funcrusher on Nov 30, 2012 20:35:34 GMT -5
In my opinion the ksg is just a gimmick. The whole purpose of a shotgun is short range spray death. With the ksg you must aim and you must hit then square on for that ohk. It really doesn't have much more ohk range than the Remington and if you were to use a different gun at that range it would be much more efficient.
Try the Remington with a laser sight. At close shoot from the hip, outside of close range squick scope with it for longer range kills.
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Nov 30, 2012 21:12:01 GMT -5
I like both, but if you're looking for consistency the KSG is Superior. The biggest complaint I have with the 870 is how inconsistent it is at any range beyond barrel stuffing. Besides that KSG headshot is so beautiful
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Post by mastermarth on Nov 30, 2012 21:17:24 GMT -5
I had been using the KSG for a bit and tried the 870 for the first time... holy crap it sucks!
If you want to hip spray with shotguns, take an SMG. No, seriously, with how wide the hip spread is you either have to be almost next to them or ADS. If the former, an SMG will do better. If the latter, the KSG or SMGs will do better.
Semi-Auto or Automatic Shotguns spray and hope for the best. Pump-Action shotguns want to be like short ranged Sniper Rifles: Aim and take that one accurate shot to kill. Between the KSG and the 870, the KSG will do that job better every time.
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Post by Lexapro on Nov 30, 2012 21:20:52 GMT -5
Never ever EVER hipfire with the R870. Don't waste an attachment on laser sight, spend it on quickdraw/long barrel instead.
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Post by goofoffjw on Nov 30, 2012 21:58:10 GMT -5
Is the spread better with laser sight or ADS on the R870?
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Post by GoHarvard on Nov 30, 2012 22:09:43 GMT -5
Is the spread better with laser sight or ADS on the R870? I think in this case less spread = better spread. ADS'ing will do that for you thus giving you greater chances at OSK's.
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Post by goofoffjw on Nov 30, 2012 23:51:33 GMT -5
I guess I should have said less spread, yeah. So how much less spread does ADS have over non-ADS laser sight?
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Post by moses on Dec 1, 2012 0:10:17 GMT -5
The KSG is interesting in that as your skill with accurate quick scoping rises and becomes more consistent, the gun becomes that much more deadly. The same can't be said of the other shotguns. In a perfect world, with perfect aim and no lag, I'd say the KSG would beat the 870, but as is, I think the 870 is more consistently deadly, hip-fired or ADS.
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Post by bobo on Dec 1, 2012 3:20:37 GMT -5
I've played with the KSG just a little bit, but am a bit confused about how it works as I did bad with it compared to how I'm used to playing with shotties. One thing I wonder is (and this has probably been explained somewhere) do you have to stop moving completely when you ADS to get a straight shot? Kinda like sniper quickscopping? And if so, does this apply to shooting from the hip too say with a laser sight? The laser leads me to believe that's where the slug will go, but is it much more random?
I guess it feels to me it has to be used somewhat like a sniper, but figured some peeps here could explain the goings on (Mousey may have said a lot with the ADS delay thing, but I don't know exactly what that means).
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Post by tiesieman on Dec 1, 2012 3:50:27 GMT -5
I guess I should have said less spread, yeah. So how much less spread does ADS have over non-ADS laser sight? I think walking with the 870 gives 10 hipspread. Laser sight cuts that number off with 37,5% so 6.25 with a laser sight ADS is 2.0 spread. A fifth of walking hipspread. So that's pretty insane
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Post by kylet357 on Dec 1, 2012 10:46:44 GMT -5
I find it ironic that all of you recommend the Laser Sight, I like the big spread. The 50 damage up close is very good with a huge spread, at least in my opinion and practice.
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Post by danoski666 on Dec 1, 2012 10:56:55 GMT -5
High spread is a bit of a crutch, so to speak.
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Post by Brick2urface on Dec 1, 2012 15:47:16 GMT -5
The high hipspread makes the 870 hitmarker after its 3 or 4 pellet kill range which is very small. Its only usefull for hipfire out to 415 inches without laser with the long barrel on.
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Post by banana on Dec 1, 2012 18:55:39 GMT -5
The high hipspread makes the 870 hitmarker after its 3 or 4 pellet kill range which is very small. Its only usefull for hipfire out to 415 inches without laser with the long barrel on. whats your opinion on the bo2 shotties vs mw3
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Post by Brick2urface on Dec 2, 2012 2:19:48 GMT -5
The high hipspread makes the 870 hitmarker after its 3 or 4 pellet kill range which is very small. Its only usefull for hipfire out to 415 inches without laser with the long barrel on. whats your opinion on the bo2 shotties vs mw3 For EXTREME cqc blops 2>mw3. After 300 inches mw3 shotguns >>>>>>> Blops 2 shotguns.
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Post by jukebox20 on Dec 2, 2012 4:00:13 GMT -5
I tried the KSG and went all the way to laser sight. I can't get the thing to work unless the guy is standing still and I ADS and wait for the lag to catch up. I tried running around and ADSing but either the lag is that bad, the aim needs time to center, or both, I can't hit a thing with it. Can't hip fire, even with the laser sight, because I have to depend on chance that that one slug hits the guy.
The 870 I'm using has a laser sight and a silencer. I only have to max ADS twice, or just hipfire, to get a kill when me and the other guy are circling each other and aim assist is forcing me to move the joystick to the extreme. With the KSG I ADSed right on the guy and the slug kept missing about three times! The thing is just undependable for me!
The 870 with the silencer, I go beasting with it on maps like Plaza and Slums. Maybe I'm just doing good with it because it has a silencer. Maybe I'll do better with the KSG if it has a silencer, too--I'll try it when I unlock it. But for right now, the KSG is garbage to me and the 870 is more dependable when landing shots.
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Post by corpsecreate on Dec 2, 2012 10:38:33 GMT -5
Pump cancelling with the 870 is my "I Win" class, KSG hipefire is bad because of the signle slug and ADS suffers from the "disappearing bullets" problem as well as the ADS delay thingy.
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Post by -3055- on Dec 2, 2012 11:41:06 GMT -5
Mw3 shotguns BECAUSE there's sitrep for s&d and ridiculous steady aim pro for anything else. But statistically, black ops2 ksg > any shotgun that has ever existed. Of course, assuming human accuracy is not a factor.
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Post by Morshu on Dec 2, 2012 13:28:22 GMT -5
The R870 is my highest K/D weapon.
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Post by MoopusMaximus on Dec 2, 2012 14:58:03 GMT -5
MW2 SPAS? MW2 Model Akimbo?
KSG is undoubtedly worse than those two.
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Post by danoski666 on Dec 2, 2012 15:07:26 GMT -5
MW2 model akimbo was only good because some dipsh it punched in the numbers wrong though Doesnt make it any less amazing though, U maus.
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Post by Zero IX on Dec 2, 2012 18:12:14 GMT -5
KSG is unquestionably better if you're perfect, or maybe just very, very good...
Anyone who thinks the 870 is bad is crazy. It's very good at close range, and if you navigate the map properly, i.e. taking advantage of all the blind corners and confined spaces, you will find SMG bro after SMG bro playing into your hands. I vote Suppressor over Long Barrel because it's too easy to get dead in this game.
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Post by Brick2urface on Dec 2, 2012 20:19:24 GMT -5
The 870 is fine if you have long barrel and laser and all the targets you see are within 420 inches of you. Other than that its God awefull. Its an extremely close range weapon when compared to even blops 1 shotguns.
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Post by Zero IX on Dec 2, 2012 21:27:30 GMT -5
I don't know if I've improved dramatically from the Black Ops days or what, but the 870 has an extremely good feel to me, and is very reliable at close range. It's no BO SPAS, certainly, but I like it a hell of a lot more than the Stakeout and the MW3 pumps. One of the guys I sometimes play with uploaded this recently:
It's a good example of how competent the weapon is in this game. Especially given the fact that I can no longer bank on encountering sub-1.0 KDR players for easy kills in Public, I can't consider the 870 underpowered... in other CoDs maybe, but it works well in this game's environment where SMGs and blind corners are aplenty.
I love the KSG also. It's my favorite shotgun in a CoD since the MW2 SPAS.
The Saiga is god-awful, but I'd take the M1216 over the MW3 AA-12.
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Post by Brick2urface on Dec 2, 2012 22:15:06 GMT -5
I don't know if I've improved dramatically from the Black Ops days or what, but the 870 has an extremely good feel to me, and is very reliable at close range. It's no BO SPAS, certainly, but I like it a hell of a lot more than the Stakeout and the MW3 pumps. One of the guys I sometimes play with uploaded this recently: It's a good example of how competent the weapon is in this game. Especially given the fact that I can no longer bank on encountering sub-1.0 KDR players for easy kills in Public, I can't consider the 870 underpowered... in other CoDs maybe, but it works well in this game's environment where SMGs and blind corners are aplenty. I love the KSG also. It's my favorite shotgun in a CoD since the MW2 SPAS. The Saiga is god-awful, but I'd take the M1216 over the MW3 AA-12. He went 3-1 over all. Thats not amazing. He went on a nice streak in the second half of that dom game but the first half looked like it didn't go so well. He got lucky because everyone he got into a gun fight with was inside of 10 meters or so. He was basically barrel stuffing for that whole gameplay. Which the 870 is good at. But with limited sprint and very few audio ques to enemy presence its difficult to keep getting people inside its effective range while playing aggressively. You get someone at 10 meters plus (which is a very common range) you will get slapped if you are trying to use the 870.
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Post by Zero IX on Dec 2, 2012 22:32:01 GMT -5
I liked that vid because it's pretty realistic. You can find big scores and huge streaks without much effort (xcal's magic Hijacked lobby comes to mind), but the one I posted illustrates good use of the 870. You're going to be hard-pressed in BO2 Public to consistently get 40-50 kill games in KC with less than 5-10 deaths no matter what gun you use. If that's your standard for good performance, that's unrealistic for literally all but less than 1% of players.
I don't really consider the 10 meter range to be barrel stuffing as far as suppressed shotguns go considering most shotguns in recent CoDs tend to have a 12m one shot zone. 870 is a competent weapon in this game. In my experience, sure, you have to go close, but if you can do that, it rarely lets me down.
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Post by Brick2urface on Dec 2, 2012 22:59:26 GMT -5
I don't have the game anymore so I can't comment on the performance of other weapons. But I have seen much raping and pillaging done with the smgs on the youtubz. And 10 meters is max damage range for mw2/3 pumps. For black ops 2 its one shot kill range with the long barrel.
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Post by Zero IX on Dec 2, 2012 23:07:55 GMT -5
You sold the game too fast, Brick. I would have loved to see what you could have done with the KSG. <3
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Post by Brick2urface on Dec 2, 2012 23:25:49 GMT -5
You sold the game too fast, Brick. I would have loved to see what you could have done with the KSG. <3 In the 6 or so hours I played I didn't have fun once. I will not play a game that isn't fun. Ksg in testing against bots was okay. I would rather take bf3 spas+ slugs any day though.
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