asasa
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Post by asasa on Nov 20, 2012 12:03:30 GMT -5
You just went from console to PC... I dont see that as a valid comparison.
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Post by blues27xx on Nov 20, 2012 14:22:31 GMT -5
The buffer bloat thing is bullshit. If it was a problem on my end then why can I play every other call of duty (bar host connection on MW3) with little to no lag problems?
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Post by corpsecreate on Nov 20, 2012 16:15:41 GMT -5
I've been permanently confined to the horror known as a 3 bar for the past 6 years. You'll learn to deal with it sooner or later. Your not the only one man. Trust me. I feel your pain.
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Post by bucket415 on Nov 20, 2012 17:20:36 GMT -5
unless you have a gateway, why wouldnt you plug directly into the modem? thats the first thing you do when the connection is no bueno. same goes for wifi. You mean router? Most people don't have a dedicated Internet line just for gaming.
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Post by boiller on Nov 20, 2012 17:26:23 GMT -5
unless you have a gateway, why wouldnt you plug directly into the modem? thats the first thing you do when the connection is no bueno. same goes for wifi. You mean router? Most people don't have a dedicated Internet line just for gaming. Indeed, since my router is the one that distributes my IPTV and phone lines, there´s not much I can do about this..
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Post by gina on Nov 20, 2012 17:48:19 GMT -5
I think I´m screwed Mad Season - Wake Up 1995
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Post by fortozs on Nov 21, 2012 0:23:12 GMT -5
I also am having good connections with BO2, but had horrible lag on BO1 and MW3. MW2 worked good for me though. I did notice when I moved and switched from DSL to fiber I got much better connections. I do feel everyone's pain. Just know that your K/D is more a representation of your connection than skill, and enjoy the game as much as you can.
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Post by edalbnug on Nov 23, 2012 3:58:05 GMT -5
I find no enjoyment in getting instant downed in every encounter as it currently stands in BO2. Just went back to MW3 and finding myself going from a 0.25 ratio (~average of past 5 games) in BO2 rocketing back to 3+ in MW3. I can actually hit whatever I was aiming at with a semi-auto rifle and the time to die was much more fair.
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Post by ragnarok on Nov 23, 2012 12:39:15 GMT -5
doesn't BF have god awful dedis? Pretty much, except for DICE servers. Expect to follow silly rules and be randomly kicked/banned by admins.
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richardj
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Post by richardj on Nov 23, 2012 21:51:33 GMT -5
Me thinks 90% of people complaining about lag in BO2 never changed their lobby settings to look for better connections...
I'm on PS3 and MW3 was a nightmare. This game is at least playable.
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Tyzerra
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Post by Tyzerra on Nov 23, 2012 21:54:33 GMT -5
^ I disagree. On Black Ops II I search using 'Best' and the connection each game is still sub-MW3 which I played yesterday. There's definitely something up with Black Ops II connection, but this happens with every new COD release and I'm sure it will get better soon.
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Post by brutalonslaught on Nov 24, 2012 10:28:27 GMT -5
Searching Best makes no fucking difference at all.
I love the people saying that BO2 is much easier for them than BO1 and MW3. That just means you have a shit connection and are getting a massive advantage at the moment.
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Post by mmacola on Nov 24, 2012 11:30:54 GMT -5
Searching Best makes no Foxtrotting difference at all. I love the people saying that BO2 is much easier for them than BO1 and MW3. That just means you have a doo-doo connection and are getting a massive advantage at the moment. I always had a doo-doo connection and never had any advantage.
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Post by brutalonslaught on Nov 24, 2012 11:38:45 GMT -5
Yeah, if it's too bad then you're shit out of luck
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Post by palladium on Nov 24, 2012 13:41:52 GMT -5
I think the worst part is the strict skill based matchmaking paired up with the bad connections. When I play other pretty good players, an advantage of even a tenth of a second means whoever has it will win 95% of the gunfights. It just magnifies the advantage because better players don't need as much of one to get the drop on you.
Perhaps if Ghost wasn't so bad I could actually flank use strategy, but as it is engage one person and you show up on radar for slowing down.
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Post by Indy_Bones on Nov 24, 2012 13:54:59 GMT -5
Searching Best makes no Foxtrotting difference at all. I love the people saying that BO2 is much easier for them than BO1 and MW3. That just means you have a doo-doo connection and are getting a massive advantage at the moment. Yes, I can see how a perfectly stable 15mb connection that works flawlessly in all other online titles would be seen as 'shitty'... Stop jumping to silly conclusions. Some of us with good connections had issues on previous COD titles, some didn't. I'm getting good connections on BO2 MOST of the time, and certainly better than in BLOPS and MW3 - others aren't. There is no hard and fast rule here as I've seen complaints from people with 100mb connections and those with only 1mb lines.
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Post by brutalonslaught on Nov 24, 2012 16:32:59 GMT -5
Download speed has nothing to do with it. Surely when you look at what you have written, that is the only logical conclusion yes?
Well, if it looks like a turd, smells like a turd and tastes like a turd, guess what?
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Nov 24, 2012 22:28:25 GMT -5
Download speed has nothing to do with it. Surely when you look at what you have written, that is the only logical conclusion yes? Well, if it looks like a turd, smells like a turd and tastes like a turd, guess what? He said STABLE 15 Mb connection. Stable means little to no jitter. Low packet loss and low ping. Packet loss, jitter and ping matter far more than download/upload speed. On a side note, how the fuck do I change my search settings? I cannot find the option anywhere.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 24, 2012 22:52:57 GMT -5
Press S on your match making screen.
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Post by Indy_Bones on Nov 25, 2012 3:44:21 GMT -5
Download speed has nothing to do with it. Surely when you look at what you have written, that is the only logical conclusion yes? Well, if it looks like a turd, smells like a turd and tastes like a turd, guess what? How's this for you then: Good low ping, 0% packet loss, and only 1ms Jitter. This is how my connection is the vast majority of the time, there is NOTHING wrong with it, I'm not in some rural location with crap internet, I have a very good connection (even if I don't pay for the 70mb or so DL speed that's available in the area as well). So it doesn't look like a turd, or smell like one, so mine ISN'T a turd - shame yours appears to be...
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Post by toad on Nov 25, 2012 5:12:33 GMT -5
Hey Indy.
When I lived in the UK I was with Sky Broadband. I managed to (eventually) get through to their tier 3 support team who put my Internet connection on a 'fast path' which is basically turning off Interleaving which is a type of error correction they run on all customer's lines by default. ISP's which are specifically designed for gamers allow the users to turn it off themselves. Also, I got them to reduce something called Max Delays.
Anyway, the long and short of it was, is that after this work was done, I was able to ping certain web servers from my PC in around 12ms ! It made such a huge difference playing COD I can tell you.
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Post by brutalonslaught on Nov 25, 2012 5:42:26 GMT -5
Download speed has nothing to do with it. Surely when you look at what you have written, that is the only logical conclusion yes? Well, if it looks like a turd, smells like a turd and tastes like a turd, guess what? How's this for you then: Good low ping, 0% packet loss, and only 1ms Jitter. This is how my connection is the vast majority of the time, there is NOTHING wrong with it, I'm not in some rural location with crap internet, I have a very good connection (even if I don't pay for the 70mb or so DL speed that's available in the area as well). So it doesn't look like a turd, or smell like one, so mine ISN'T a turd - shame yours appears to be... That's not a great connection lol
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Post by jukebox20 on Nov 25, 2012 6:12:03 GMT -5
So judging from some posts here, people with bad connections from previous CODs are doing good in BO2, whlie people with excellent connections are doing very bad.
Obviously this shows that lag compensation is tipping the scale in favor of people with bad connections in BO2.
My connection is 11 mbit down and 0.8 mbit up. Today I limited my upload speed to 0.1 mbit on my router settings. Guess what? People killing me in two bullets are very few. I can hear the people I've killed yell into their mics complaining about the lag. Most of my bullets hit on target. Most of my games are now a positive K/D.
So here you guys go: just mess with your internet speeds.
I want to try to limit my download speed while keeping my upload speed up to see what it does, but I don't know how to on my Netgear WGR614v10--I don't think I can. If someone knows where I can find a program to do that on my router, that would be nice.
We should each mess with our internet settings to see what happens. Report back with what settings you used, with results, so that all of us can learn from it and maybe find THE answer to improve, or get on the winning side, of this lag compensation.
Edit: Also, there's still MTSU settings and increasing ping. Maybe messing with those settings might work too.
Edit 2: I'm on PS3 btw.
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Post by corpsecreate on Nov 25, 2012 7:22:22 GMT -5
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Post by jukebox20 on Nov 25, 2012 13:41:23 GMT -5
It seems that when lowering my upload speed to 0.1 mbit, my download speed lowered to 6.0 mbit.
If anyone out there can lower their download speed while keeping their upload speed high, can you post results for consoles?
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Post by bucket415 on Nov 25, 2012 14:22:50 GMT -5
I'm tired of having to tweak stuff just to try and get a good connection. Why can't it just be fair on both sides? I don't want an advantage, but I certainly don't want a disadvantage either.
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mmacola
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Post by mmacola on Nov 25, 2012 14:54:48 GMT -5
Because no dedicated servers Dedis aren't necessarily a good thing. For example, in BF3, there are only dedis on north america (considering american dedis) and thus all brazillian players are in deep 200ms ping doo-doo, while in COD all we have to do is have enough players to create a local lobby
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Post by tiesieman on Nov 25, 2012 15:03:10 GMT -5
May I remind you that BF3 has the exact same bulldoo-doo going on due to purely client-side hit detection even though there's dedis
If a guy has a 500 ping, you can run around a corner and be completely inexposed to that guy for 5 seconds and still die. The client is essentially the master while the server just approves, AFAIK
Clientside vs serverside detection is basically the realism of shooting (you shoot at what you see) vs the realism of dieing (within boundaries of course, there's always still the delay of your location vs the location the server aknowledges you at) Seeing as how I got a pretty stable connection going on which is gonna get even better next week since I'm switching ISPs, I'd prefer serverside detection (though I don't even know if you could do that with hitscans). But lots of people don't have that privilage so I guess I can see client side stuff is better for the masses But it sucks in its current form.
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Post by Tyzerra on Nov 25, 2012 16:06:44 GMT -5
I've heard so many discussions about connection, dedicated servers, lag compensation, etc and because of what I've learnt, I have a pretty solid (albeit basic) understanding of connection in COD and why things happen the way they do. My problem though is that connection seems to be more of an issue in the newer games as opposed to the older games.
If I play ~3 hours of each COD, MW1 through Black Ops II, I can make a clear observation that connection issues are more of a problem in the newer games than in the older ones. What has changed from previous COD's that makes connection such an issue as it is today? I get the whole 'it's not fair on lower-connection players' thing, but surely how it is now, it's equally (or more) unfair on those with good connections. I just don't understand why connection issues are so apparent now as opposed to before...
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Post by Tyzerra on Nov 25, 2012 16:25:31 GMT -5
Honestly, I wouldn't say they've gotten any worse than they were in older games. Older ones just typically had worse balance issues that people could blame their deaths on. Hmm, maybe... But that hasn't convinced me. Black Ops II has me struggling soo hard connection-wise, and I've never struggled with connection in any game as bad as this ever. MW3 was kinda bad for a while after release, but current Black Ops II connection is far worse than that in my books. Yeah this is one of those generic connection-whine stories, but it has me hooked severely. I cannot understand this at all...
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